KDanger21
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Post by KDanger21 on Nov 15, 2007 22:34:04 GMT -5
So I have been hearing that Ric Flair will be returning soon. I have heard he is going to have one final good run. Even talks of him becoming champion I have heard. I still hear he is going to retire at WM 24. My question and problem is how is he going to keep up with these guys when he hasn't wrestler in a while and lets face it he really hasn't had it for like 5 years. Also isn't this like a pity award giving him the world title? Your thoughts please.Be brutal and honest
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Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 15, 2007 22:36:23 GMT -5
I dunno, as long as he's not wrestling every week and they make his matches seem special, then I guess he'd do alright.
I still think he should've got a title run in 02 when he was a lot faster.
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Post by Hypnotix on Nov 15, 2007 22:55:55 GMT -5
No No No No No No No No
And No.
Ric Flair was past his prime in 1993 and watching him now is more of a sad joke than anything. Flair needs to go away so we can get some actual entertaining wrestlers on television.
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BxB
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Post by BxB on Nov 15, 2007 22:59:21 GMT -5
I dunno, as long as he's not wrestling every week and they make his matches seem special, then I guess he'd do alright. If they had used Flair like that for the past couple of years. By making him a manager and him wrestling only when it was a necessity. A win over Flair would've meant a lot more for some of the talent like Carlito, Kenny Dykstra. I really don't see Flair doing himself any favors by wrestling weekly. Just makes him look bad.
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Post by mrwednesdaynight on Nov 15, 2007 23:00:56 GMT -5
He has been down right embarassing to watch lately. I remember the last time be faced Triple H when Flair was Intercontinential Champion. I thought that was the silliest looking match i've ever seen. Triple H obviously was going very light on him and holding back, which looked awkard since we are used to him being fairly physical, and the only moves flair could do were the chop, punch, low blow, and figure four. It hurt me to watch it.
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Post by Leaving after 1,600 on Nov 15, 2007 23:01:14 GMT -5
Sadly smarks don't get the wrestling buisness as it is. Is Flair still a good worker? Your damn right he is. Can Flair move as fast as the younger guys? No Can he still put on great wrestling matches? No. Heres a secret though being a great worker means putting asses in seats, which he can still do. Which Batista can do even though the IWC hates him, it's what Cena does, even though he gets hate. Flair can still get a crowd to go like no other, which means he is still one of the top workers around.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Nov 15, 2007 23:06:15 GMT -5
Flair needs to retire.
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Post by Leaving after 1,600 on Nov 15, 2007 23:08:15 GMT -5
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Post by mrwednesdaynight on Nov 15, 2007 23:19:30 GMT -5
Sadly smarks don't get the wrestling buisness as it is. Is Flair still a good worker? Your damn right he is. Can Flair move as fast as the younger guys? No Can he still put on great wrestling matches? No. Heres a secret though being a great worker means putting asses in seats, which he can still do. Which Batista can do even though the IWC hates him, it's what Cena does, even though he gets hate. Flair can still get a crowd to go like no other, which means he is still one of the top workers around. I would have to respectfully disagree with you on the topic of Flair. I agree, Cena and Batista draw fans. Drawing fans means drawing money which is good for business. Say what you will about the talent of the Ultimate Warrior, but there is no doubt that people paid money to see him. I question was, can Flair still keep up. Do people woo when he chops? Of course. Does that make him a draw? No. No one is buying a ticket in 2007 to see Ric Flair. They are buying the ticket to see the afore mentioned Batista and John Cena. I believe that if he headlined a pay per view, it wouldnt be pretty. As far as being a top worker, part of that is making your opponent look good. The physical evidence i've been with my own eyes say that he does the exact opposite.
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BxB
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Post by BxB on Nov 15, 2007 23:22:52 GMT -5
Sadly smarks don't get the wrestling buisness as it is. Is Flair still a good worker? Your damn right he is. Can Flair move as fast as the younger guys? No Can he still put on great wrestling matches? No. Heres a secret though being a great worker means putting asses in seats, which he can still do. Which Batista can do even though the IWC hates him, it's what Cena does, even though he gets hate. Flair can still get a crowd to go like no other, which means he is still one of the top workers around. They can still have Flair on the show and not put him in a match. I doubt the kids come with their parents to watch Flair wrestle a 70's style match. They are there, however, to watch Batista and Cena. I didn't see Flair tearing the roof down when he's wrestled, recently, to be honest.
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Post by bubbles on Nov 15, 2007 23:34:32 GMT -5
He had some pretty good matches last year and he's been inactive for a while, probably training. I reckon his last run will be pretty good.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Nov 15, 2007 23:37:28 GMT -5
The real question is can Flair keep it up? Just ask his new girlfriend. OOooohhhhh!!!!!! ;D
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Celgress
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Post by Celgress on Nov 15, 2007 23:42:26 GMT -5
Yeah and Flair will be forced to job to Cena, if they book him for a final title run. I say hang 'em up natch, your time has pasted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 23:44:48 GMT -5
So do people who think their opinions are somehow more valid than others.
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Post by Leaving after 1,600 on Nov 15, 2007 23:55:45 GMT -5
So do people who think their opinions are somehow more valid than others. See that's the thing though, i dont think my oppinion is more valid but when someone who has never stepped in the ring, but can still complain about who is in there, and who should retire don't make much sense to me. Do you walk into a target and tell the door greater hey you need to retire? Probably not, so why do it now. I'm sure no workers would walk into your job and tell you that even though you've busted your ass for years you need to quit. On the subject of Flair not be a draw, have you heard the pops he gets to this day? ? When the whooo comes over the loud speakers the fans go wild, i would judge to say that gets just a big a pop as the oppening to Cenas theme.
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wwerules60
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Post by wwerules60 on Nov 16, 2007 0:03:13 GMT -5
Wrestling is in his blood, he can still go.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2007 0:06:36 GMT -5
So do people who think their opinions are somehow more valid than others. See that's the thing though, i dont think my oppinion is more valid but when someone who has never stepped in the ring, but can still complain about who is in there, and who should retire don't make much sense to me. Do you walk into a target and tell the door greater hey you need to retire? Probably not, so why do it now. I'm sure no workers would walk into your job and tell you that even though you've busted your ass for years you need to quit. On the subject of Flair not be a draw, have you heard the pops he gets to this day? ? When the whooo comes over the loud speakers the fans go wild, i would judge to say that gets just a big a pop as the oppening to Cenas theme. Fine, just don't make blanket statements regarding "smarks" like that. How about this though? If you walk into a Target and a guy performs horribly at his job, doesn't help, doesn't know things he needs to know, and generally inconviences you, should he retain his job because he's been there forever? That's like professors with tenure: they may be horrible at their job but they stick around because of their tenure. I personally don't mind Flair being there but others do. He's clearly not entertaining those who want him to retire, so don't they have the right to complain? Does not Flair "fail" at his job if people don't want to see him? It might be people in the minority but that still means something even if, gasp, they are marks. How do we know Flair "draws" or doesn't "draw"? Do we conduct a poll for everyone who buys a ticket and ask them, "Did Ric Flair being at this event help your decision into whether or not you bought a ticket?" It's the problem I have with the notion that people draw: who knows what wrestlers draw the people? It might be the angles, it might be the venue, and, increasingly so, I think WWE is what draws, as an institution, as a product, not an individual wrestler. No one should ever be told that, since they are a smark, they look at the industry in the wrong way and should shut up about "things they don't know". Wrestlers say that constantly and act like they know everything and yet are baffled when ratings drop and fewer tickets are being sold.
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Post by Leaving after 1,600 on Nov 16, 2007 0:12:03 GMT -5
See that's the thing though, i dont think my oppinion is more valid but when someone who has never stepped in the ring, but can still complain about who is in there, and who should retire don't make much sense to me. Do you walk into a target and tell the door greater hey you need to retire? Probably not, so why do it now. I'm sure no workers would walk into your job and tell you that even though you've busted your ass for years you need to quit. On the subject of Flair not be a draw, have you heard the pops he gets to this day? ? When the whooo comes over the loud speakers the fans go wild, i would judge to say that gets just a big a pop as the oppening to Cenas theme. Fine, just don't make blanket statements regarding "smarks" like that. How about this though? If you walk into a Target and a guy performs horribly at his job, doesn't help, doesn't know things he needs to know, and generally inconviences you, should he retain his job because he's been there forever? That's like professors with tenure: they may be horrible at their job but they stick around because of their tenure. I personally don't mind Flair being there but others do. He's clearly not entertaining those who want him to retire, so don't they have the right to complain? Does not Flair "fail" at his job if people don't want to see him? It might be people in the minority but that still means something even if, gasp, they are marks. How do we know Flair "draws" or doesn't "draw"? Do we conduct a poll for everyone who buys a ticket and ask them, "Did Ric Flair being at this event help your decision into whether or not you bought a ticket?" It's the problem I have with the notion that people draw: who knows what wrestlers draw the people? It might be the angles, it might be the venue, and, increasingly so, I think WWE is what draws, as an institution, as a product, not an individual wrestler. No one should ever be told that, since they are a smark, they look at the industry in the wrong way and should shut up about "things they don't know". Wrestlers say that constantly and act like they know everything and yet are baffled when ratings drop and fewer tickets are being sold. That's the thing though a majority of the smarks look at the buisness the wrong way. For example, they complain about Orton using too many rest holds, whats wrong with that, the fact is the wrestling fans that the product and the sport is geared too in general don't chant boring or complain, it actually helps them get into the match because now they want to see the face fight back and get out. Why the fans are chanting for the comeback heat the smarks are grumbling about the hold. From personal experience, if a fan or group of fans chant boring during one of my matches I'm locking in a head lock and show them boring, we dictate the match not the crowd. Sooner or later the crowd is going to get pissed off at me, which generates heat, they're not going to leave they're going to sit there and hate me. Now the smarks will call me a horrible wrestler because of that, the boys in the back will call me a smart worker.
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Post by Horny Manatee on Nov 16, 2007 1:14:04 GMT -5
I think that with all that Flair has done for the business, he deserves to go out on top
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Post by Reverend BTY on Nov 16, 2007 1:45:17 GMT -5
As far as speed and such? Absolutely not. Can he still put on an entertaining match? I believe he can. If you set him up with a guy that can really go (Shawn Michaels, HHH, Taker) it will be a hell of a match. Not technically but emotion wise. The people get into Flair the same way they do with other veterans where it's less of a "I'll buy all his shirts" and more of a "I respect him, he's enjoyable to watch". I hope this makes sense to y'all.
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