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Post by supercheese on Nov 20, 2007 23:01:56 GMT -5
So, he's married to Steph, is that why you guys constantly criticise him for every little thing that goes against the Internet Wrestling Fans hopes and dreams? Over the past 10 years he's been consistently the best performer in the ring and possibly outside the ring also. He looks like a champion, wrestles like a champions and more importantly knows how to be a champion. Triple H would be a success no matter who his wife was. His feud with The Rock = Great, Jericho = Great. Power Trip with Austin = Great. He made Batista look decent. He made people care about Orton. Then there's his HBK feuds. They were also amazingly good. And for all you who thinks he squashes everyone, was it not him who helped put; Angle, Rock, Benoit, Jericho, Orton, Cena, HBK(after injury, remember lot's of doubters considering if he could still go or not) Jeff Hardy, Benjamin. Finally, when was the last time Triple H won a main event match at one of the big 4? He'd be a better champion than ANYONE on the current roster. Undertaker included.
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Post by MCMGM on Nov 20, 2007 23:06:27 GMT -5
You're new here I see. BTW, the HHHate Express has been off the tracks here for a while, calm down.
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on Nov 20, 2007 23:07:59 GMT -5
OMGZ NEWB'S GOT NUCLEARZZZZ HEEEEEEEEEEATZ!
Let me just welcome Carlito Caribbean Cool to the forums.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Nov 20, 2007 23:08:55 GMT -5
... You're funny.
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Post by salTy on Nov 20, 2007 23:13:31 GMT -5
I love that pic. Anyway, I think you're a little mistaken, good sir. Those of us that bitch about Triple H are bitching about how he's booked to look like a million bucks against EVERYONE, including those that have been built up as legitimate threats for many months. Their reasoning for these booking decisions? "Because Triple H is the one true bad-ass in the WWE." Oh. Even IF Triple H wasn't married to the boss's daughter, and even IF he wasn't on the booking team, I would still bitch. Know why? Because his routine is played out and predictable, and it destroys kayfabe. There is no good reason to book him as this 'dominating' wrestler. That's what heels are for. Think about how boring every "good vs. evil" story would be if the good guys just completely dominated and humiliated the villains. Imagine if every X-Men comic ended with Wolverine kicking the bad guy's ass, no matter which bad guy it is, and without any explanation of how it's done. No plot device, no plot twist, just Wolverine smacking villains around. That's how Triple H is booked, and I'm sick of seeing it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2007 23:14:00 GMT -5
OMGZ NEWB'S GOT NUCLEARZZZZ HEEEEEEEEEEATZ! Let me just welcome Carlito Caribbean Cool to the forums. aha! i see what you did there!... well done actually made me laugh when i got it
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Post by supercheese on Nov 20, 2007 23:16:24 GMT -5
I love that pic. Anyway, I think you're a little mistaken, good sir. Those of us that bitch about Triple H are bitching about how he's booked to look like a million bucks against EVERYONE, including those that have been built up as legitimate threats for many months. Their reasoning for these booking decisions? "Because Triple H is the one true bad-ass in the WWE." Oh. Even IF Triple H wasn't married to the boss's daughter, and even IF he wasn't on the booking team, I would still bitch. Know why? Because his routine is played out and predictable, and it destroys kayfabe. There is no good reason to book him as this 'dominating' wrestler. That's what heels are for. Think about how boring every "good vs. evil" story would be if the good guys just completely dominated and humiliated the villains. Imagine if every X-Men comic ended with Wolverine kicking the bad guy's ass, no matter which bad guy it is, and without any explanation of how it's done. No plot device, no plot twist, just Wolverine smacking villains around. That's how Triple H is booked, and I'm sick of seeing it. From what I can remember Umaga is the first person Triple H has ever destroyed who he shouldn't really be able too. If you look at the build of him you see he's hardly small himself...Hes taller than Umaga for a start and probably alot stronger. Umaga doesn't look very powerful, just large.
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on Nov 20, 2007 23:16:47 GMT -5
OMGZ NEWB'S GOT NUCLEARZZZZ HEEEEEEEEEEATZ! Let me just welcome Carlito Caribbean Cool to the forums. aha! i see what you did there!... well done actually made me laugh when i got it To quote the Spanish guy from Family Guy that detects sarcasm, "OHHHH HOOOOO! EEES FUNNY BECAUSE HE'S NOT CARLITO BUT HE SOUNDS JUST LIKE HEEM! OHHH HOOOO!"
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Post by salTy on Nov 20, 2007 23:21:56 GMT -5
I love that pic. Anyway, I think you're a little mistaken, good sir. Those of us that bitch about Triple H are bitching about how he's booked to look like a million bucks against EVERYONE, including those that have been built up as legitimate threats for many months. Their reasoning for these booking decisions? "Because Triple H is the one true bad-ass in the WWE." Oh. Even IF Triple H wasn't married to the boss's daughter, and even IF he wasn't on the booking team, I would still bitch. Know why? Because his routine is played out and predictable, and it destroys kayfabe. There is no good reason to book him as this 'dominating' wrestler. That's what heels are for. Think about how boring every "good vs. evil" story would be if the good guys just completely dominated and humiliated the villains. Imagine if every X-Men comic ended with Wolverine kicking the bad guy's ass, no matter which bad guy it is, and without any explanation of how it's done. No plot device, no plot twist, just Wolverine smacking villains around. That's how Triple H is booked, and I'm sick of seeing it. From what I can remember Umaga is the first person Triple H has ever destroyed who he shouldn't really be able too. If you look at the build of him you see he's hardly small himself...Hes taller than Umaga for a start and probably alot stronger. Umaga doesn't look very powerful, just large. And booking wise, Umaga has smacked around everyone from John Cena to Kane, handily. HHH is the only person to beat Umaga one-on-one with his finish, and that was after a match with Randy Orton. In the matches with Cena, Cena had to use desperation and got by with the skin of his teeth. HHH just went toe-to-toe, dishing out just as much offense. That's fine if it makes sense to you, but I don't see it -- especially after following HHH's career as long as I have.
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Post by joeman on Nov 20, 2007 23:36:48 GMT -5
I love that pic. Anyway, I think you're a little mistaken, good sir. Those of us that bitch about Triple H are bitching about how he's booked to look like a million bucks against EVERYONE, including those that have been built up as legitimate threats for many months. Their reasoning for these booking decisions? "Because Triple H is the one true bad-ass in the WWE." Oh. Even IF Triple H wasn't married to the boss's daughter, and even IF he wasn't on the booking team, I would still bitch. Know why? Because his routine is played out and predictable, and it destroys kayfabe. There is no good reason to book him as this 'dominating' wrestler. That's what heels are for. Think about how boring every "good vs. evil" story would be if the good guys just completely dominated and humiliated the villains. Imagine if every X-Men comic ended with Wolverine kicking the bad guy's ass, no matter which bad guy it is, and without any explanation of how it's done. No plot device, no plot twist, just Wolverine smacking villains around. That's how Triple H is booked, and I'm sick of seeing it. From what I can remember Umaga is the first person Triple H has ever destroyed who he shouldn't really be able too. If you look at the build of him you see he's hardly small himself...Hes taller than Umaga for a start and probably alot stronger. Umaga doesn't look very powerful, just large. The thing is though, Umaga is suppose to be a savage, one crazy motherf***er. Crazy beats big, Umaga destroyed Kane.
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Post by robferatu on Nov 20, 2007 23:49:16 GMT -5
I think all the Triple H hate stems from 2002, that 9 months where no one could touch him and everyone was booked to look like a fool to him. I can understand wrestling fans being bitter about that, fortunately during that time I had quit watching wrestling. So my dislike for him is curved, my only current problem with him is he's riding on the coattails of other wrestlers that are more popular than him in an attempt to get over.
I personally don't believe he helped The Rock, but more-so The Rock helped him. The Rock was already a bonifide main eventer before Triple H won the big one, and even after Triple H won it there were alot of doubters, and think The Rock elevated him to his level.
As for Orton, it's argueable that Randy Orton came out looking worse from his fued with Triple H, but I will give credit where credit is do. Triple H made Batista into a star, there is no argueing that.
As for Triple H being a better champion than The Undertaker, everyone has a right to there opinions, but that doesn't mean your right.
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Post by kwydjebo on Nov 21, 2007 11:20:50 GMT -5
Triple H, Triple H...why do I despise thee.....
Let me count the whys......
I can't speak for the IWC on the whole, but the reasons why he ain't my favorite person on the roster (and honestly I do most often refrain from out and out public H bashing...but you did ask) can be summed up by saying 2 words.....WHERE'S POOCHIE?
You see in a Simpsons episode Homer voiced a new cartoon character for the Itchy and Scratchy show (The cartoon that the kids watch) called Poochie...and fans hated him, so one of Homer's ideas on how to get the character more liked "Have Poochie in every single scene, and if he isn't in a scene, have the other characters ask 'Where's poochie?' " A popular Wrestling Recapper (back in 1999) used this when refering to Kevin Nash in the WCW, while he was booking the show he was also in practically every segment.
During Trips' heyday, he was in fact Poochie.....it felt like the show indeed was (as his song suggests) "All about the Game".
Now I'll give Trips all the credit in the world. He is a fine performer, a pretty good wrestler, and he has put out some dang fine interviews. He worked hard, paid his dues (Terra Ryzing, Fighting HEnry O Godwin, the infamous squashing by the Warrior) , he's no "Son of the promoter" archtype that is handed a championship despite being less talented than the guys who clean the ring. He got over with fans while with DX back in the 90s (Before taking up with Nipple H)
However for some years he has been seen as (and to be fair, maybe it isn't always his fault) a guy who refuses to job to just about anyone, will not put others over (with the rare exceptions), and pretty much looks to be concerned solely about his own image, and not with how that affects the company he and his wife are likely to inherit. Yes he would have had success (And did) without Steph as his woman, but his continual "unstoppable force" push may not have been so prominent (or unstoppable) without her in his corner.
He so dominated every opponent to the fact that it was ludicrous to even bother watching a match (The outcome was invaribly pre-ordained). For what felt like years he would start every RAW with a 20 minute in ring promo, casually mentioning his current feud, but mostly repeating his "I am so great" mantra ad nauseum.
Sure he put over a few guys (Most of whom were alredy at least on par with him already) , but the number of servings of Squash the King of Kings dished out (I ain't an overly religious type, but come on...ripping off a name from Jesus.)...you know King Booker was so gonna be Jobbing like crazy again.
When he returned from his first quad tear and went after the belt at that Wrestlemania, the month leading up to the match was about 2 people, Trips with his quest for the belt, and Steph with her quest to be part of Hunter's life. Jericho finally got a little air time the week prior to Mania only because he took Trips' dog for a walk. John Cena was the champ yet for almost a year it seemed his night was over after the first hour of RAW while Trips (Who had no belt) ruled the 2nd. Traditionally the 2nd half of the show, or Main event is a position the Champ gets.
What might annoy a lot of people is he is also on record for responding to his detractors (like the IWC) with the comment that "You aren't wrestlers, you don't know how the business works, you think you read the internet and are suddenly smart? Until you've wrestled you have no right to judge" (this is a paraphrase of his meaning, I can't recall his exact words). By this logic, the only people who can critisize G.W. Bush are his Bush Sr. and Clinton.
As for reasons of recent dislike...... - After Cena is Injured, and Orton is handed the belt, Trips gets 3 matches at a PPV, destroying his first 2 opponents, and just narrowly losing to his third (Who was his 1st as well I know)...I'm surprised they just didn't have him win the RAW belt, the IC Belt, and the tag belts all by himself in one night. - Pure and utter destruction of Umaga....repeatedly. Aside from one attack (Which I believe Randy Orton helped with initially) has Umaga looked strong against Trips ever? (Aside from a year ago when Trips got squashed during the Umaga buildup) - Pure and utter destruction of Carlito after a match. Did you see the result there? a (literally) 5 minute beatdown, post match, because he lost (to McMahon). - After easily beating the Tag champs, Murdoch and Cade, in a handicap match (The champs never had a chance) he is assisted (with a post match attack of Umaga and the champs) by Londrick, and he shows the babyface team his face alignment by beating them up as well.
Trips is a force in wrestling....and we all know it. Many of us are supertthrilled Jericho is back, but we all have the same hope....we hope he entertains us before Trips buries him (not "If" he buries him....we know it WILL happen, just a question of when)
Now agian, in the interests of being fair, there are those in the IWC (just like in all walks of life) who will hate Trips because its percieved as the "Cool thing" to do. And other still who have a legitimate reason for dislike, who will allow that to color their opinion so that he can do no right ever. So sometimes the pulse of the IWC can be hard to judge. But I think a number of fans have legitimate reasons for not showing Game Boy the love you feel he deserves supercheese. But I guess we may just have to agree to disagree. Obviously you see things different, and that is you right...just as its my right decide to get up and find a way to kill 5 minutes while Mr Stephanie McMahon makes his way to the ring.
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Post by Loki on Nov 21, 2007 11:28:47 GMT -5
Because his routine is played out and predictable, and it destroys kayfabe. There is no good reason to book him as this 'dominating' wrestler. That's what heels are for. Think about how boring every "good vs. evil" story would be if the good guys just completely dominated and humiliated the villains. I've got four words for you: STONE COLD!!! STONE COLD!!!
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Nov 21, 2007 11:29:23 GMT -5
I think all the Triple H hate stems from 2002, that 9 months where no one could touch him and everyone was booked to look like a fool to him. I can understand wrestling fans being bitter about that, fortunately during that time I had quit watching wrestling. So my dislike for him is curved, my only current problem with him is he's riding on the coattails of other wrestlers that are more popular than him in an attempt to get over. I personally don't believe he helped The Rock, but more-so The Rock helped him. The Rock was already a bonifide main eventer before Triple H won the big one, and even after Triple H won it there were alot of doubters, and think The Rock elevated him to his level. As for Orton, it's argueable that Randy Orton came out looking worse from his fued with Triple H, but I will give credit where credit is do. Triple H made Batista into a star, there is no argueing that. As for Triple H being a better champion than The Undertaker, everyone has a right to there opinions, but that doesn't mean your right. He's riding on the coat tails of other wrestlers to get over? LMAO are you serious? Aside from Cena and Y2J, HHH will get the biggest reaction from a crowd on any given night without doubt. I include HBK in that. I include Jeff freaking Hardy, who I assume is one of the people who think HHH is clinging on to. HHH clinging to Jeff...I can't get over that. HHH desperately trying to stay over...o.m.g.
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