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Post by Steveweiser on Nov 19, 2007 15:33:58 GMT -5
It would have been better if he had done the Ankle Lock before the Crossface, but I was still shocked to see it be done.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 19, 2007 15:34:14 GMT -5
It doesn't matter, it's not like he invented it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2007 15:37:42 GMT -5
I liked it. The crowd did too.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Nov 19, 2007 15:53:15 GMT -5
I'm with the "it's just a move" crowd.
Would it have been weird if they used the crossface in the weeks following the Benoit murders? Sure. But while Benoit was known for the crossface, in the end it's like any other wrestling move so it isn't like they're glorifying a killer by using it.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 19, 2007 16:00:23 GMT -5
Are they trying to make some sort of commentary by claiming that Orton is stronger than former champions by having him kick out of their finishers i don't think so. that thought never crossed my mind until i logged on here. the reason orton didn't tap to the ankle lock isn't because the ankle lock is weak, it is because shawn michaels was doing it. shawn from a kayfabe stand point wouldn't have the same power and technique at the move as a guy like angle who has had much experience using it.
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Post by Boomaga on Nov 19, 2007 16:05:58 GMT -5
It took me a moment to even realize that's what he was using because I kinda never expected to see it again. I thought it was an STF at first, and then realized "Oh crap, that's the Crossface! Nice!" I reacted the same way at the Sharpshooter considering what happened involving the Sharpshooter and HBK 10 years ago at Survivor Series.
A move is a move, Benoit is gone, his move can live on in my opinion. It's still a great looking move and HBK did a great job of putting it on. And I also noted that JR and King both did not mention the name of the move or really reference it at all. Just another submission.
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Post by 8-BitAssassin on Nov 19, 2007 17:35:04 GMT -5
I Think it was good. It is part of the idea that we are moving past the incident, and now that move can be used again. I totally agree.
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Post by wolfmoon103100 on Nov 19, 2007 17:39:31 GMT -5
They should push the move as a real killer. Hey oooooh.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Nov 19, 2007 17:42:25 GMT -5
I didn't watch, but had I of....I'd have marked out.
Anybody have footage/pics of Shawn doing those moves?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 19, 2007 17:43:21 GMT -5
It doesn't matter, it's not like he invented it. Yeah, the guy who invented it is a road agent. I would have marked if HBK broke out the Cloverleaf.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2007 17:44:30 GMT -5
I Think it was good. It is part of the idea that we are moving past the incident, and now that move can be used again. I totally agree. and i agree with you
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 19, 2007 17:45:34 GMT -5
I think we're beginning to move past the incident, as if this had happened in June or July, the clip of the match would've been on the morning news or something and somehow Shawn would be considered a killer of children himself by the media.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 19, 2007 17:50:03 GMT -5
Eh, it's Malenko's invention, anyway, isn't it?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 19, 2007 17:51:44 GMT -5
Eh, it's Malenko's invention, anyway, isn't it? It is a move he used, not sure if he invented himself. Still a lot of people associate that particular move with Chris Benoit. as he used it for many years.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 19, 2007 17:53:34 GMT -5
Eh, it's Malenko's invention, anyway, isn't it? It is a move he used, not sure if he invented himself. Still a lot of people associate that particular move with Chris Benoit. as he used it for many years. True, true. I guess this just might be WWE's way of saying "life goes on".
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Nov 19, 2007 18:00:24 GMT -5
I think shawn now has the heatzorzzzz so hes gettin bak at teh MAN VINCE MCHMAHON that is
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 19, 2007 18:04:37 GMT -5
at this point the crossface is way more controversial than the sharpshooter.
Not phased much, by it nowadays since i've seen it way too many times in indies. Didn't think I'd see it in WWE..
Plus he used the Crossface, Sharpshooter, and Ankle lock
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 19, 2007 18:07:49 GMT -5
I think it's better not to many people know the theory the police had about Benoit killing his son with the move. Well, more than a theory I think they were fairly sure of that (bruising patterns and such).
That's why it's weird to me.
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Post by John Oates' Moustache on Nov 19, 2007 18:15:59 GMT -5
from a kayfabe stand point i enjoyed it. michaels had been working down the head all match and without use of his move the crossface made perfect sense. the anklelock seemed out of the blue however. the only real leg damage done to randy was from the sharp shooter which i always thought worked back and knees. i guess i shouldn't put to much thought into it. LOL, that anklelock was fail.
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Post by azz0r on Nov 19, 2007 18:58:50 GMT -5
Ankle lock is for the ankle, sharpshooter actually hurts the back more than anything, bret going for he legs never really made sense (unless to dead them so you cant push him off).
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