Should WWE Do Their Own Diva Nudie Mag?

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tim said:

mightykretzler said:

Wow, good taste has certainly died HERE, at least.

I mean, it'd be a PR debacle, it'd completely ruin any seriousness in women's wrestling, it'd kill any remaining family aspect and deplete part of the young demographic.

Not that it seems to matter, here...

I usually agree with you Khali, but here I don't. I don't see how it would ruin seriousness in women's wrestling. And screw the family aspect and the damn young demographic. The kids can go suck it, quite frankly. Because I'm sick of them and their damn Cena wristbands and Mysterio masks. Wrestling should be aimed towards the 18-36 demographic, pure and simple. Meaning up the violence, the riskiness, the sex appeal, and the adult content.

Kids are the one demographic that probably makes the most money for WWE. More than all the others combined.

Remember, they're the ones who purchase all the merchandise because they like the wrestlers and the shows, regardless of what goes on backstage or whatever. Especially talent like Cena and Mysterio, who are in the positions they are because they make money.

It's hard to forget that the wrestling fans, who've been watching since they've been young, were like this at some point in their childhood. Myself included.

[TRUTH TELLER]

curryman said:

No, it's a wrestling/entertainment company. Go watch porn.

Ah, the old porn comeback. Ya, heaven forbid people want to see the particular women they're attracted to. You should just go see random women for which you have no emotional investment in whatsoever online. Because it's only entirely physical after all. All men are robotic, and tits are tits, right?

I hate that excuse. It pigeon-holes all men as just wanting to see any random woman as if there's not other factors in finding them attractive.

[Tim]

I just hate the kid aspect of wrestling. It annoys me to no end. I really don't think the merchandising portion would be that big of a loss personally. Kids aren't the ONLY ones who buy t-shirts and the like. Some of the most popular items on WWEShop are Triple H, Edge, Orton, Stone Cold, whose main fans are teenagers and adults.

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tim said:

I just hate the kid aspect of wrestling. It annoys me to no end. I really don't think the merchandising portion would be that big of a loss personally. Kids aren't the ONLY ones who buy t-shirts and the like. Some of the most popular items on WWEShop are Triple H, Edge, Orton, Stone Cold, whose main fans are teenagers and adults.

It's not all about T-Shirts. They make much more than that, which is usually stuff for kids. Like all the toys and stuff.

Plus, merchandising is a huge moneymaker for WWE, along with pay-per-view.

[Tim]

mikebowski said:

Ah, the old porn comeback. Ya, heaven forbid people want to see the particular women they're attracted to. You should just go see random women for which you have no emotional investment in whatsoever online. Because it's only entirely physical after all. All men are robotic, and tits are tits, right?

I hate that excuse. It pigeon-holes all men as just wanting to see any random woman as if there's not other factors in finding them attractive.

You totally summed up all of my thoughts about the ridiculousness of the 'go watch porn' response.

[The Ichi]

mikebowski said:

curryman said:

No, it's a wrestling/entertainment company. Go watch porn.

Ah, the old porn comeback. Ya, heaven forbid people want to see the particular women they're attracted to. You should just go see random women for which you have no emotional investment in whatsoever online. Because it's only entirely physical after all. All men are robotic, and tits are tits, right?

I hate that excuse. It pigeon-holes all men as just wanting to see any random woman as if there's not other factors in finding them attractive.

All I mean is that it's not needed because it's a wrestling company. This is one of the reason's why WWE is no longer taken seriously anymore, because you have a lot of people only watching it just for these useless bimbos who aren't and shouldn't even be a major importance in the company.

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tim said:

I just hate the kid aspect of wrestling. It annoys me to no end. I really don't think the merchandising portion would be that big of a loss personally. Kids aren't the ONLY ones who buy t-shirts and the like. Some of the most popular items on WWEShop are Triple H, Edge, Orton, Stone Cold, whose main fans are teenagers and adults.

I remember someone found a statistic on it once. "Marks' Delight" merch completely outweighed those. By the way, to anyone who does indeed have that stat, I ask that you post it (or link to it).

They don't need to turn it into a porn industry to obtain more audience from older fans either. That's simply not the way to go about it. Besides, to my knowledge, there's an aura of ambiguity among some of them, and some have already done their work. Let's go down the list, shall we?

-Ashley? Yep.
-Beth? No official word.
-Candice? Yep.
-Cherry? I have no clue.
-Jillian? No official word.
-Kelly? Apparently in the future.
-Layla? Apparently in the future.
-Lilian? No official word.
-Maria? Will do in future.
-Maryse? Yep.
-Melina? Has said she won't do it.
-Michelle? No official word.
-Mickie? Yep.
-Torrie? Yep.
-Victoria? Has an interest.

For those that have already or will do it, just look for their stuff when it comes out. For the ones with no official word, I wouldn't bother risking it. For Melina? I wouldn't even dare ask her. My point is, some of them may NOT want to do it, amazingly.

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curryman said:

mikebowski said:

Ah, the old porn comeback. Ya, heaven forbid people want to see the particular women they're attracted to. You should just go see random women for which you have no emotional investment in whatsoever online. Because it's only entirely physical after all. All men are robotic, and tits are tits, right?

I hate that excuse. It pigeon-holes all men as just wanting to see any random woman as if there's not other factors in finding them attractive.

All I mean is that it's not needed because it's a wrestling company. This is one of the reason's why WWE is no longer taken seriously anymore, because you have a lot of people only watching it just for these useless bimbos who aren't and shouldn't even be a major importance in the company.

And there's some that are done with porn (see: Mickie James) or have no interest with that matter interfering with them (See: Beth Phoenix and Melina Perez) and their desires to do otherwise.

If one of them wants to do it, then let them pose for Playboy. Not get involved in...*sigh*..."that industry..."

[TRUTH TELLER]

am90 said:

tim said:

I just hate the kid aspect of wrestling. It annoys me to no end. I really don't think the merchandising portion would be that big of a loss personally. Kids aren't the ONLY ones who buy t-shirts and the like. Some of the most popular items on WWEShop are Triple H, Edge, Orton, Stone Cold, whose main fans are teenagers and adults.

It's not all about T-Shirts. They make much more than that, which is usually stuff for kids. Like all the toys and stuff.

Plus, merchandising is a huge moneymaker for WWE, along with pay-per-view.

The merchandise is really the only area in which they dominate a certain demo. Kids don't order all the ppvs, and buy the classic DVDs featuring stars they're not familiar with. There's just too many facets to WWE being successful to be attributed to kids alone. Kids get their parents to buy these things. They don't have unlimited disposable income. I dare say, that its adults that over-all, in the whole spectrum of everything that actually spend the most money. Kids are a huge part of WWE's success, but just a part. They're not the sole reason. You could eliminate every kid from watching WWE tomorrow, and while merchandise would take a serious hit, WWE would still turn a profit off their huge library of top of the line DVDs alone.

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mikebowski said:

am90 said:

It's not all about T-Shirts. They make much more than that, which is usually stuff for kids. Like all the toys and stuff.

Plus, merchandising is a huge moneymaker for WWE, along with pay-per-view.

The merchandise is really the only area in which they dominate a certain demo. Kids don't order all the ppvs, and buy the classic DVDs featuring stars they're not familiar with. There's just too many facets to WWE being successful to be attributed to kids alone. Kids get their parents to buy these things. They don't have unlimited disposable income. I dare say, that its adults that over-all, in the whole spectrum of everything that actually spend the most money. Kids are a huge part of WWE's success, but just a part. They're not the sole reason. You could eliminate every kid from watching WWE tomorrow, and while merchandise would take a serious hit, WWE would still turn a profit off their huge library and top of the line DVDs alone.

Young demographic is extremely important. Like I said, they can't suddenly change focus and make more profit. The kids are the most loyal demographic, easily. They'll be around UNLESS the "adult fed" idea were put into play.

And like I said, adult feds simply do not work.

[Boku AKA Da Green Guy]

As a straight male that appreciates talented women wrestlers, I feel I can say this...

Why?

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Personally I'd like to see who voted "yes."

[Dynamite Kid]

megamark said:

no. that would be the final devaluation of womens wrestling. i've got no problem with the girls doing playboy in their own time, but this would make the entire womens division seem like a side-show attraction, rather than a legit competition on par with the male wrestlers. also, wwe has to realize that alot of young women look up to the divas as role models, and you've gotta wonder how good this decision would be. not only that, but with wrestling being put across in the media as this seedy, scummy show full of drugs and scandals, this would hardly help.

I agree in principle.

But I honestly think this ship has sailed already.

[ICBM]

I know the playboy tie in is great PR but they abandon the character that you fell for on the show. Sable's was plain and great. Torrie Wilson too, but Candice had already done it. So had Ashley. I want Victoria and I want he to look crazed and angry.

[Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone]

I vote no.

[TRUTH TELLER]

mightykretzler said:

mikebowski said:

The merchandise is really the only area in which they dominate a certain demo. Kids don't order all the ppvs, and buy the classic DVDs featuring stars they're not familiar with. There's just too many facets to WWE being successful to be attributed to kids alone. Kids get their parents to buy these things. They don't have unlimited disposable income. I dare say, that its adults that over-all, in the whole spectrum of everything that actually spend the most money. Kids are a huge part of WWE's success, but just a part. They're not the sole reason. You could eliminate every kid from watching WWE tomorrow, and while merchandise would take a serious hit, WWE would still turn a profit off their huge library and top of the line DVDs alone.

Young demographic is extremely important. Like I said, they can't suddenly change focus and make more profit. The kids are the most loyal demographic, easily. They'll be around UNLESS the "adult fed" idea were put into play.

And like I said, adult feds simply do not work.

They're hardly the most loyal demo. The ones that stick around sure, but tell me this, is every fan from your childhood you remember still into wrestling? There's no guarantee, that much like cartoons and video games, that kids will be in it for the long haul. Most children are fickle and have short attention spans. Some might stay, like we all did, but there's also quite a few that'll just move on to another fad once they reach their teens. I know tons of former Hulkamaniacs that this was the case with.

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mikebowski said:

mightykretzler said:

Young demographic is extremely important. Like I said, they can't suddenly change focus and make more profit. The kids are the most loyal demographic, easily. They'll be around UNLESS the "adult fed" idea were put into play.

And like I said, adult feds simply do not work.

They're hardly the most loyal demo. The ones that stick around sure, but tell me this, is every fan from your childhood you remember still into wrestling? There's no guarantee, that much like cartoons and video games, that kids will be in it for the long haul. Most children are fickle and have short attention spans. Some might stay, like we all did, but there's also quite a few that'll just move on to another fad once they reach their teens. I know tons of former Hulkamaniacs that this was the case with.

It's kids that the other audiences usually come attached with.

The irony is that pure wrestling gets the older demographics more easily. Ever seen a ROH show and noticed the scarcity of kids?

So whether it'll be family entertainment or absolut wrestling, it's got to be one of those, and you'll lose a LOT of fans overall with an adult fed. Ever wonder why such things have terribly short lifespans? In theory, they work. In application, they fail.

[Panda Bear]

We only need one with all the pages full of Mickie, even the ads.

[TRUTH TELLER]

mightykretzler said:

mikebowski said:

They're hardly the most loyal demo. The ones that stick around sure, but tell me this, is every fan from your childhood you remember still into wrestling? There's no guarantee, that much like cartoons and video games, that kids will be in it for the long haul. Most children are fickle and have short attention spans. Some might stay, like we all did, but there's also quite a few that'll just move on to another fad once they reach their teens. I know tons of former Hulkamaniacs that this was the case with.

It's kids that the other audiences usually come attached with.

The irony is that pure wrestling gets the older demographics more easily. Ever seen a ROH show and noticed the scarcity of kids?

So whether it'll be family entertainment or absolut wrestling, it's got to be one of those, and you'll lose a LOT of fans overall with an adult fed. Ever wonder why such things have terribly short lifespans? In theory, they work. In application, they fail.

You're right. Adult themed wrestling would never work as a business model. Sure, there'd be a niche audience like classic ECW, but there wouldn't be any sponsors or TV. And well, wrestling can't survive long-term without those. We can argue with one another morally about an adult fed, but I'm man enough to admit that it can never work on a grandiose scale like WWE does now. As much as the dumbed down kiddy-style booking annoys me, it is the safest bet financially. At least we adults have full access to WWE's library through their DVDs and WWE 24/7 service when we grow tired of the poop jokes. I'll take that over no wrestling at all.

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mikebowski said:

mightykretzler said:

It's kids that the other audiences usually come attached with.

The irony is that pure wrestling gets the older demographics more easily. Ever seen a ROH show and noticed the scarcity of kids?

So whether it'll be family entertainment or absolut wrestling, it's got to be one of those, and you'll lose a LOT of fans overall with an adult fed. Ever wonder why such things have terribly short lifespans? In theory, they work. In application, they fail.

You're right. Adult themed wrestling would never work as a business model. Sure, there'd be a niche audience like classic ECW, but there wouldn't be any sponsors or TV. And well, wrestling can't survive long-term without those. We can argue with one another morally about an adult fed, but I'm man enough to admit that it can never work on a grandiose scale like WWE does now. As much as the dumbed down kiddy-style booking annoys me, it is the safest bet financially. At least we adults have full access to WWE's library through their DVDs and WWE 24/7 service when we grow tired of the poop jokes. I'll take that over no wrestling at all.

Glad we agree on that then.

Wow! An argument that didn't degenerate any! Go figure!