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Post by tarheelfan on Nov 23, 2007 16:26:44 GMT -5
There is a lot of talk concerning what is wrong with the world of professional wrestling and why the product is stale. I think a key factor is something that a lot of the newer internet fans seem to abhor. And that is the concept of jobbing- i.e. squash matches. If you ask me than I feel that wrestling needs to once again incorporate more jobbing into its longrange plans. I am not saying that a lot of matches should go back to the Brooklyn Brawler WWE squash matches or the old NWA jobber matches. But I think that there should be more jobbing matches to start separating the talent tier wise to where you know who is actually the challenger for such and such title. What I see today is so much confusion on who is low card, who is mid card and who is actually main event material. You have two guys wrestle each other for weeks end trading pins and that does nothing to distinguish which wrestler should move up the ranks. After awhile it causes fans to become apathetic. Todays wrestling fans have become spoiled by every match being equal footing matches but the excitement in the old days was the buildup to seeing two great wrestlers face off. And then when the match happened it was a big deal. Building up time for big matches also helped to enhance feuds between wrestlers. How can we have fueds today when the wrestlers feuding are wrestling each other every week. That is not a true old school feud that was enhanced by tension and culminated in emotional matches that had strong ring psychology and connected to the crowds. Just my two cents.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2007 16:31:34 GMT -5
There's so much television and pay-per-view these days, this is damn near impossible.
Squash matches against random jobbers would simply not work anymore. Raw (along with ECW and SmackDown) rely so much on ratings, putting matches that people wouldn't want to watch is a bad move. Yeah, this may have worked in the '80s, but their audience then was children - they're going to watch, regardless. Now, there has to be at least one big match on the show every week, otherwise they'll suffer.
In my opinion, though, I think their product should get away from these types of matches altogether. They have enough talent to create a unique character for each of them, and as long as they're booked in the right way, there wouldn't be a problem.
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Post by rrm15 on Nov 23, 2007 16:32:49 GMT -5
Thats actually a really good point. Thing is, as you pointed out, we're "spoiled" now to seeing PPV level matches on TV for free. If we go back to mostly squash matches, the ratings will suffer even more.
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Post by tarheelfan on Nov 23, 2007 16:38:43 GMT -5
There's so much television and pay-per-view these days, this is damn near impossible. Squash matches against random jobbers would simply not work anymore. Raw (along with ECW and SmackDown) rely so much on ratings, putting matches that people wouldn't want to watch is a bad move. Yeah, this may have worked in the '80s, but their audience then was children - they're going to watch, regardless. Now, there has to be at least one big match on the show every week, otherwise they'll suffer. In my opinion, though, I think their product should get away from these types of matches altogether. They have enough talent to create a unique character for each of them, and as long as they're booked in the right way, there wouldn't be a problem. I'm not saying every match needs to be a squash match. But again in the longterm incorporating more squash matches to establish and push talent would reap longterm dividends. Also in the 1980s the audience was just more than children. I grew up on Mid Atlantic wrestling (NWA promotion) where it could be argued that the vast majority of the fans were not children. And the NWA had a lot of jobbing. Lastly, I'm not saying there should not be a big match or two on the show but I think there should be emphasis again on developing the persona and charisma of wrestlers. Also, I think there should be more interviews to get wrestlers over.
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Post by greate on Nov 23, 2007 16:49:18 GMT -5
Yeah, this may have worked in the '80s, but their audience then was children -
There are more kids in attendance now believe me.
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Post by big nasty on Nov 23, 2007 16:50:01 GMT -5
i agree you cant really go back at this point.
but just think how much it would help some guys, like santino. he would come out, do some 2 minute promo, and we could actually see him do a few moves in dominating fashion, rather than just get his ass kicked.
but with 2 tv tapings a week already, plus a monthly ppv, there just probably isnt enough time to do even an hour squash show, and we all know they wont get rid of the 45 minutes of promos and recaps to have snitsky vs joey jo jo on raw.
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Post by leemir on Nov 23, 2007 16:55:56 GMT -5
There is no way I'd watch a show full of squashes. Snitsky's 30 seconds squashes are the worst part of the show for me.
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Post by derekd on Nov 23, 2007 16:59:12 GMT -5
There is no need for squash matches. There is a clearly-defined pecking order for the way these things work today. If John Cena v. Carlito is booked, if there is a clean win, you know who is going to get it. There are tiers of talent, and the only way to build up a character is to start having him go over on higher-tier stars (ie Jericho winning the undisputed championship).
Put it this way- If Santino beats a jobber, and Orton beats a jobber, does that mean we should have Santino v. Orton for the belt?
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Post by tarheelfan on Nov 23, 2007 17:00:11 GMT -5
There is no way I'd watch a show full of squashes. Snitsky's 30 seconds squashes are the worst part of the show for me. Again, I am not saying the show has to be all 100 percent squashes. I totally 100 percent and unequivocally wholeheartedly agree that it would not work in todays environment. The premise and point that I am trying to make is that the WWE needs to start having matches to where different wrestlers in a definitive way separate themselves from other talent tier wise. I am not saying it has to be all Sid Viscious type squash matches but I think it needs to come to a point to where one wrestler is superior to the other which will enhance the feuds, title scene and overall enthusiasm of the crowd.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 23, 2007 17:04:28 GMT -5
Squashes are often the most pointless and boring parts of any show.
I think, should that be done, WWE would lose even more ratings.
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Post by tarheelfan on Nov 23, 2007 17:05:20 GMT -5
There is no need for squash matches. There is a clearly-defined pecking order for the way these things work today. If John Cena v. Carlito is booked, if there is a clean win, you know who is going to get it. There are tiers of talent, and the only way to build up a character is to start having him go over on higher-tier stars (ie Jericho winning the undisputed championship). Put it this way- If Santino beats a jobber, and Orton beats a jobber, does that mean we should have Santino v. Orton for the belt? Actually, I don't see a clearly defined pecking order today in the WWE but I see chaos and confusion in the mid and lower cards below the John Cenas. When I refer to people doing jobs I am including supposed WWE star talent. The problem with the WWE today is that everybody is a star it seems and there is no definitive pecking order. For old schoolers like me it is so vastly different than the old days when you knew who the true title contenders were and it actually enhanced the prestige of being champion.
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Post by derekd on Nov 23, 2007 17:09:11 GMT -5
Well, I hope this doesn't come off as rude, but...
GET WITH THE TIMES, OLD MAN!
*rides away on a Skateboard, playing an Electric Guitar*
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Post by tarheelfan on Nov 23, 2007 17:13:57 GMT -5
Well, I hope this doesn't come off as rude, but... GET WITH THE TIMES, OLD MAN! *rides away on a Skateboard, playing an Electric Guitar* I am not offended All I am doing is saying that when wrestler A wrestles wrestler B week after week after week and they trade wins and it is like this for wrestler C, D, E.... then there is no longterm continuity which leads fans to become apathetic to wrestling as is the case today.
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Post by leemir on Nov 23, 2007 17:38:26 GMT -5
For furthering storylines & getting people over I think a good idea would be to take a page from Lucha Libre & have a few 6 man tags & each RAW & SD!
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 23, 2007 17:38:47 GMT -5
if jobbing is the key....
then Kenny Dykstra must be The Key Master
now who the hell is the Gatekeeper?
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 23, 2007 17:39:27 GMT -5
Funaki?
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 23, 2007 17:41:13 GMT -5
Now you're thinking! But I think it may have to be a woman. The movie wasn't very clear about this. But I think the key in the gate is filled with innuendo.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Nov 23, 2007 17:44:16 GMT -5
Now you're thinking! But I think it may have to be a woman. The movie wasn't very clear about this. But I think the key in the gate is filled with innuendo.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Nov 23, 2007 17:44:26 GMT -5
How about Maria?
She jobs all the time.
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Post by twiggy101 on Nov 23, 2007 17:44:59 GMT -5
I don't like jobbers or squash matches. They are totally pointless. I never consider any wrestler to be any good if all that they faced were local jobbers. I also hate squashes. Those kind of matches won't bring me to the edge of my seat. I would like to see some wrestlers go back and forth.
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