AriadosMan
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 26, 2007 10:27:13 GMT -5
Trying to get Chuck Palumbo over as a hardcore biker (especially after his last gimmick) is a no-win situation for all involved.
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General Zod
Samurai Cop
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KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!
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Post by General Zod on Nov 26, 2007 11:38:14 GMT -5
Exactly. And that's only the smallest part of the issue for me. As to the other conversation, not once did I suggest that your opinions weren't valid. In fact, if anything, I've made it a point to state over and over again - if you truly like JBL, then great. Good for you. How long you've been a fan has little to do with the equasion. Being able to tell great from mediocre has everything to do with it. I'm sure, to all the JBL fans on the board, I come across as this great big wrong, evil, communist, biased elitist snob. But the truth of the matter is, I want what you want, ultimately. I want the product to improve. And the facts are fairly clear. As long as the fans keep cheering for mediocrity, that's all you'll ever get. I'm not trying to be malicious or insulting. But perhaps my rather blunt delivery sounds intimidating from time to time. Sorry. You don't sound intimidating, but you do sound too arrogant to accept that somebody has a different opinion. Sure, you say others opinions are valid but then you turn around and suggest that JBL fans "can't tell great from mediocre". Well, I think he's great. Maybe you can't tell great from mediocre. Did you ever think of that? I suppose that greatly depends on what criteria you're using to determine great from mediocre. However, in almost every aspect of his career, Bradshaw has exemplified the very meaning of the word *average*. I find it a bit incredible, don't you think, that the attitude era (of WWE) could spawn four legitimate superstars (Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, HHH, and Kurt Angle), and since then, not one other guy (sans *maybe* Cena) has stepped up to the plate to follow their lead? It's no coincidence. The WWE has stopped trying. And as a result, they put mid-card guys (who are mid card guys for a reason) in the main event, slap a belt on 'em, or give them cushy announcing jobs and hope for the best because talent is thinner than Gene Okerlund's hair. Let's be real clear about what it is I'm saying - I'm not picking on JBL fans specifically here. I'm complaining about how the state of affairs got so bad that people who normally wouldn't swallow this crap are smiling while dining and asking for seconds. JBL just happens to represent everything that is wrong with the industry right now. Surely those of you who have been wrestling fans at least in the last ten years (or so) have something to compare to. And even those that haven't, surely you can tell the difference between shit and shineola without the use of reference aids? Arrogant? No. Concerned for the state of industry right now? Yes, very much so.
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Post by acressl on Nov 26, 2007 12:21:03 GMT -5
Trying to get Chuck Palumbo over is a no-win situation for all involved. FIXED
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Lino
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Post by Lino on Nov 26, 2007 12:49:32 GMT -5
Jibble is the best color commentator in the biz.
Ballgame Maggle!
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Just Jay
Unicron
DIESEL!?!?!
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Post by Just Jay on Nov 26, 2007 13:04:13 GMT -5
I see where you're going with this Zod, and you offer a very meaty argument. I don't see how JBL represents everything that is wrong with the industry. Sure, he isn't Stone Cold Steve Austin or The Rock, and he certainly doesn't wrestle like it. But who is to say that he's average? That's just an opinion. What we once had was a situation where the E was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Brock had just left and they had no where to go. My belief is ff JBL was really as bad as some say he was, then they wouldn't have kept the title on him for 8 or 9 months. JBL stepped up from the mid-card and really established himself as a credible main eventer. I think whats wrong with the industry today is that most of these upper-midcard wrestlers expect to be elevated to the main event level just because they've added an elbow springboard into their arsenal or they've got a chiseled body. This is why I liked Chris Masters so much. He was quoted as someone who really wanted to work to where wanted to go to. I won't be surprised if the WWE rehired him. Back to JBL, I fully believe that he tried his hardest to attain the status of a main eventer, and it worked. To most, he's a terrible wrestler and even a terrible commentator. To others, he's a great commentator and a decent wrestler. He couldn't exactly carry a broom to a 5 star match, but his charisma more than made up for his ring ability. Are we rating wrestlers only on ring ability, or are we rating them on the basic definitions of a wrestler? I now ask the question. JBL. Great Champion, or the Greatest Champion!?
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Post by Arthur Digby Stamp on Nov 26, 2007 13:26:17 GMT -5
JBL turned me off of Smackdown when he became champion. Not only did I never purchase a Smackdown brand only ppv, but I barely ever watched the show. I couldn't buy him as a credible main event guy, at any time, even after his WWE title run. In my opinion, William Regal would've been far superior in the role that JBL was handed after Lesnar's departure, especially as far as in ring work goes.
But that being said, I've found myself really enjoying JBL on color commentary. In fact, I'd even go so far to say that he's actually a better color commentator then Bobby Heenan.
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Post by chavoclassic on Nov 26, 2007 17:30:26 GMT -5
I liked the man as a wrestler both when he established the 'cabinet' and became champ. Why? Anyone chasing that belt was a huge face, as no one liked JBL. However, as a commentator he is fairly bad, especially with Cole. One of the many reasons why I can't watch a full Smackdown.
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Post by Mr Ismaeal Naji on Nov 26, 2007 17:38:43 GMT -5
You are a credit to society, scholar, and a genuine great man for stating that the Redwings will win the CUP! GO WINGS! and GO You!
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Tapout
Hank Scorpio
WWE Creative(TM)
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Post by Tapout on Nov 26, 2007 17:47:48 GMT -5
Come on guys, JBL is a great announcer.
And in his early run, he was allowed to call things as a full-on heel, running down the babyfaces and talking up the heels. He was great at it. The second coming of Ventura, basically.
This will sound like internet smarkery, but you gotta imagine the office told him to stop badmouthing the babyfaces, possibly because he was so good at it.
If 80s Ventura were in the booth today, they would probably pull that guy aside and give him the same guidelines as well.
This is in stark contrast to "heel" Tazz on Smackdown, where the guy just basically forgot he was a heel every 5 seconds. He'd mark out like a schoolboy whenever someone took a chance, then 5 seconds later, he'd remember that he's supposed to not like the babyface. Oops.
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Post by pathogen on Nov 26, 2007 18:09:49 GMT -5
I quite like him on commentary, he is certainly the best to come along in quite some time. He's not the best ever, but that just reflects the degradation of the product in general.
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JD Turk
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Post by JD Turk on Nov 26, 2007 18:15:37 GMT -5
You mad doggie ?
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