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Post by El Dandy on Nov 27, 2007 12:41:34 GMT -5
Goldberg doesn't get the recognition that he should have because of smarks out there who crap on any wrestler that is widely popular. He is better than he is given credit for.
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Nov 27, 2007 12:44:53 GMT -5
he's like batista to me. they either get it right and have awesome-tastic matches (batty vs taker, goldy vs DDP), or get it wrong and have absolute drizzleshits (batty vs khali, goldy vs savage).
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Nov 27, 2007 12:45:04 GMT -5
Tons of charisma, had the look, dominating moveset. Staying power when he wasn't "squashing" his opponent was the real problem.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 27, 2007 12:47:48 GMT -5
He had a kick. A mule kick. A mule kick he couldn't control. A mule kick he couldn't control that ended the career of the greatest wrestler of all time. No Shawn Michaels is still wrestling you fail.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 27, 2007 12:48:08 GMT -5
He had all the necessary tools, with the exception of the commitment to wrestling that his contemporaries had.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 27, 2007 12:54:27 GMT -5
His commitment was the money, and I commend him for that. He did have an ego, but who doesn't and I know nowadays he says he hates the business.
Of course you would, you hurt yourself daily, you have no real insurance, and you gotta deal with "da politics"
I like that Goldberg was always upfront about himself.
Oh and I LOVED his moveset, seriously Press Slams to just about anything imagined, to a powerslam, to spear, to a spine buster, to a t-bone, to a belly to belly, to a fall away slam...Goldberg DA MAN.
He could deliver all he has to do is hit his moves. It's when the other guy doesn't try that the matches fail.
Hennig/Goldberg matches were a blast because of Mr. Perfect's overselling.
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Post by Daemon on Nov 27, 2007 12:55:55 GMT -5
He had a kick. A mule kick. A mule kick he couldn't control. A mule kick he couldn't control that ended the career of the greatest wrestler of all time. I thought Arn Anderson had retired before Goldberg ever stepped in the ring?
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 27, 2007 13:42:03 GMT -5
He had a kick. A mule kick. A mule kick he couldn't control. A mule kick he couldn't control that ended the career of the greatest wrestler of all time. As far as I know, the Rock didn't get injured in any way during his matches with Goldberg.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 27, 2007 13:43:11 GMT -5
he's like batista to me. they either get it right and have awesome-tastic matches (batty vs taker, goldy vs DDP), or get it wrong and have absolute drizzlecraps (batty vs khali, goldy vs savage).
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Nov 27, 2007 13:48:02 GMT -5
I would say, technically, he was slightly above average. Yes, he relied on two big moves, but he certainly had more to work with when he wanted to. But he wasn't in the upper-levels of workers.
I think people forget he's had plenty of good matches in his career. It's not just a coincidence.
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Post by Dolph Zalgo on Nov 27, 2007 14:08:34 GMT -5
I think Goldberg was not as bad as people try to make him. Without any doubt he was WAY better than Hogan (yes I've seen Hogan in several matches from Japan and Goldberg was way better than that).
It's probably not Goldberg's fault I hated him anyway, it was the way he was booked. A rookie with a Steve Austin look and wannabe Shamrock Attitude squashes his way through the whole midcard and makes stars with a legacy behind them look like worthless jabronis. They made him squash stars that have busted their asses for MOTHERf***ING years, respectable guys like RAVEN, CURT HENNIG and WILLIAM REGAL.
The marks loved it, while I detested it. I would have loved to see Regal stiff him up legit and totally kill his heat, although I probably would have felt sorry for him afterwards.
It is not his fault that people hate him, it was WCW's fault.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 27, 2007 14:18:34 GMT -5
See he didn't squash regal, Raven, or Hennig, he had quick matches with them. Raven used the flock to get the upperhand on him. Hennig had Rude to distract him and get his shots in, and Regal/Goldberg was not in any way a squash or Regal "pwning" Goldberg.
The fans with the goldberg signs, the pop he got, and the money he made for WCW was the reason he was pushed as hard as he was. If he wasn't so over WCW would not have pushed him. Plain and Simple.
In a time with DDP and Sting as top guys, Goldberg was just as over. He was over enough to justify his position on the card. People wanted to watch Goldberg.
Even if he was one dimensional so what. Some of the most money making wrestlers are.
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Post by humorousled on Nov 27, 2007 14:31:31 GMT -5
I think that Goldberg was underrated as a wrestler. He had more that "2 moves" but he has never really gotten the credit he deserves because he is a power wrestler and he wasn't as much as a mark for the sport as we are. He got a push because he was insanely over with the fans and he was the only guy we WCW fans wanted to see while Austin/McMahon was going on during RAW. Also, he was the complete opposite of Austin because he didn't talk very often and came in, kicked a$$, left the ring and that was it. Austin was more famous because while he was a good wrestler, he stopped doing that in favor of being a talker who stunned people left and right each week. Although no one could blame Austin because in WWE being a great in-ring performer isn't as important as your mike work and being a brawler. Austin also protected his damaged neck by being a brawler who only threw punches and simple kicks. Goldberg was healthy during his run at the top so he was able to do more interesting moves. And he was far superior in-ring to Hogan and Warrior and he was only one of the two men in the entire history of the sport who could throw the Big Show around like he was a rag doll. Brock Lesnar was the other guy. Goldberg came across as someone who had superhuman strength and was unstoppable and that was why I marked out for him and still do.
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Post by Cela on Nov 27, 2007 16:08:04 GMT -5
What I liked most was that his moves were new and different.
Sure there were the Spear and Jackhammer as the money moves, but as with his match against the west texas rednecks... all of them, he would pull off awesome looking moves that I hadn't seen before. German Suplex to Rock Bottom.
Bodyslam, snapmare, chop to chest, BAH! I say give us Gorrilla press Forward slams and Pumphandle Launchers!
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Nov 27, 2007 16:09:39 GMT -5
He was damned awesome, I loved him in the WCW days.
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Post by saggyboyflair on Nov 27, 2007 16:11:38 GMT -5
He was no benoit or Bret hart, but Goldberg wouldnt be Goldberg if he wrestled like that. I think Goldberg is much better than people in the IWC realize. He was mega-over and was legit and believable and could do some amazing things for a guy his size. Some of his power, high impact moves were just awesome to watch. He made a believer out of me. He didnt have the psychology down to a T, and he wasnt in wrestling that long to be honest and for the time he was there he did pretty good. He was in the business what 8 years? and achieved more notoriety than most wrestlers who were in the business 20 years.
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Post by dorf on Nov 27, 2007 19:06:29 GMT -5
His commitment was the money, and I commend him for that. He did have an ego, but who doesn't and I know nowadays he says he hates the business. Of course you would, you hurt yourself daily, you have no real insurance, and you gotta deal with "da politics" I like that Goldberg was always upfront about himself. Oh and I LOVED his moveset, seriously Press Slams to just about anything imagined, to a powerslam, to spear, to a spine buster, to a t-bone, to a belly to belly, to a fall away slam...Goldberg DA MAN. He could deliver all he has to do is hit his moves. It's when the other guy doesn't try that the matches fail. Hennig/Goldberg matches were a blast because of Mr. Perfect's overselling. Goldberg's Military Press into the Spinebuster was the only saving grace in that horrible WM 20 match. Anyway, as for the wrestler, he was always entertaining and did like watching him as a teenager. Thought he would be "the one" to save WCW from the nWo, but the company really messed up on what could have really been.
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Post by big nasty on Nov 27, 2007 21:04:57 GMT -5
i think he started really green, and improved a lot over time. he was very agile for a guy as heavily muscled as he was. he even did pretty well in the match regal tried to make him look bad, once he figured out what was going on.
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Post by The OP on Nov 27, 2007 21:05:58 GMT -5
I thought he was pretty good. There's a reason guys like Batista and Lashley rip him off.
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