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Post by Thank You Shawn on Nov 28, 2007 22:25:45 GMT -5
but when you think about the best WWF(E) high spots EVER, most of them involve, not a regular wrestler, but Shane O Mac, Shane McMahon himself?
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Post by Lancers on Nov 28, 2007 22:30:12 GMT -5
How come Flair never called Shane a glorified stuntman? He would be right.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Nov 28, 2007 22:33:51 GMT -5
Ya know, I was watching those earlier. I wouldn't say they are the best, but he does have a couple insane bumps in his video library. I always assumed it was his way of proving to the boys that he deserves to be on the card. Even tho he's apparently well liked by the "boys" there'd probably be some people bitchy about him having a spot on the card. Or he did it so none of the wrestlers could say no to a big match bump, because he was willing to them when he was the bosses son, and thus didn't need to.
Or he's just smurfing insane
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Nov 28, 2007 22:35:55 GMT -5
Ya know, I was watching those earlier. I wouldn't say they are the best, but he does have a couple insane bumps in his video library. I always assumed it was his way of proving to the boys that he deserves to be on the card. Even tho he's apparently well liked by the "boys" there'd probably be some people bitchy about him having a spot on the card. Or he did it so none of the wrestlers could say no to a big match bump, because he was willing to them when he was the bosses son, and thus didn't need to. Or he's just smurfing insane I thought it was because he always wanted to be a wrestler, but pops said no. It's a shame, he ain't bad.
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Post by Thank You Shawn on Nov 28, 2007 22:36:49 GMT -5
Ya know, I was watching those earlier. I wouldn't say they are the best, but he does have a couple insane bumps in his video library. I always assumed it was his way of proving to the boys that he deserves to be on the card. Even tho he's apparently well liked by the "boys" there'd probably be some people bitchy about him having a spot on the card. Or he did it so none of the wrestlers could say no to a big match bump, because he was willing to them when he was the bosses son, and thus didn't need to. Or he's just smurfing insane I thought it was because he always wanted to be a wrestler, but pops said no. It's a shame, he ain't bad. my thoughts exactly
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Nov 28, 2007 22:38:14 GMT -5
I thought it was VINCE that always wanted to be a wrestler...but Vinnie Senior said "no."
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 28, 2007 23:38:43 GMT -5
shane is one of my favorite wrestlers because i think he plays his gimmick beautifully and he always puts everything on the line in the rare occasions he gets in the ring. the man seriously refuses to go out there and just wrestle. he always goes further than he needs to, in my mind because he wrestles so little he can afford bigger risks because he won't have a match the next week.
i really wish he was more of an on air personality. i am extremely ready for the next shane o mac feud. but the true question is which giant needs killing?
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Post by bubbles on Nov 28, 2007 23:43:58 GMT -5
I love Shane O Mac, he's one of my faves. I'd like to see him feud with Jeff Hardy, that could be some pretty crazy stuff
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Post by wwerules60 on Nov 28, 2007 23:56:01 GMT -5
Him vs. RVD would be a crazy match that I would like to see.
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Post by Massive G on Nov 29, 2007 0:04:40 GMT -5
Shane is pure entertainment, in or out of the ring, and he doesn't go over the top like his pops. Or, he doesn't do it as much.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Nov 29, 2007 0:23:33 GMT -5
shane is one of my favorite wrestlers because i think he plays his gimmick beautifully and he always puts everything on the line in the rare occasions he gets in the ring. the man seriously refuses to go out there and just wrestle. he always goes further than he needs to, in my mind because he wrestles so little he can afford bigger risks because he won't have a match the next week. i really wish he was more of an on air personality. i am extremely ready for the next shane o mac feud. but the true question is which giant needs killing? It Would be cool to see him go up against Khali, if only for him to go "Which way did he go? Which way did he go"?
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 29, 2007 0:31:24 GMT -5
I thought it was VINCE that always wanted to be a wrestler...but Vinnie Senior said "no." You are correct sir.
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Nov 29, 2007 0:36:55 GMT -5
I just wonder why he's built up as a hardcore badass no matter who he's against. I mean, he was booked insanely strong against Test, Blackman, Big Show, Kurt Angle, Kane: All men built to be badasses at the time.
Anyway, I read above a post suggesting that maybe Shane did his crazy bumps to prove to the boys that he was willing to do the bumps even though he was the boss's son and didn't need to...I'm willing to argue that being the boss's son pretty much necessitated that he go crazy out there. I think Vince would hold Shane to insanely high expectations, since Vince won't want to give him special treatment. I mean, Shawn Michaels superplexed the man off a ladder THROUGH tables OUTSIDE the ring (among other absolutely INSANE spots)! Vince goes balls out and I think he expects Shane to also.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Nov 29, 2007 0:39:04 GMT -5
Shane vs. New Jack
BOOK IT!
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Post by default on Nov 29, 2007 2:08:28 GMT -5
I just wonder why he's built up as a hardcore badass no matter who he's against. I mean, he was booked insanely strong against Test, Blackman, Big Show, Kurt Angle, Kane: All men built to be badasses at the time. Anyway, I read above a post suggesting that maybe Shane did his crazy bumps to prove to the boys that he was willing to do the bumps even though he was the boss's son and didn't need to...I'm willing to argue that being the boss's son pretty much necessitated that he go crazy out there. I think Vince would hold Shane to insanely high expectations, since Vince won't want to give him special treatment. I mean, Shawn Michaels superplexed the man off a ladder THROUGH tables OUTSIDE the ring (among other absolutely INSANE spots)! Vince goes balls out and I think he expects Shane to also. He wasn't built all that strong against all of those guys. When feuding with Test, he had MSP run interference for him and then against Blackman he had Test & Albert do the same. JR did a great job, imo, portraying Shane as a pussy. Against Big Show, I believe he had help again him as well. The latter... Angle and Kane, he was a face. Now you can argue he was booked too strong against those guys as they were world champion material talents, where as he needed help as a heel against guys like Test and Blackman... I dunno, though. I don't think it was that big of a deal, regardless. Shane O'Mac had Test MEGA-OVER after that feud... which WWE failed to capitalize on after the whole HHH ordeal. Shane did nothing but help Blackman after their Summerslam match and had fans interested in the craziness the WWE was doing, compared to the crap WCW was doing. Also, it really nailed the fact that Blackman was hardcore. Shane gave both Big Show and Kane good, entertaining feuds. He also gave Angle a solid match in a style we hadn't really seen at that point from Kurt.
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Post by mrmulluk on Nov 29, 2007 2:19:40 GMT -5
My only issues with Shanes bumps (Especially during his hardcore phase) is that he kind of unfailry raises the bar at times. Like when he's taking bumps off the titantron and he's (kayfabe) just a yuppie preppy kid with a bad attitude, it means that the wrestlers whose gimmicks are that they're crazy have to go one or two steps crazier while wrestling every week instead of once every 6 months.
Just my tuppence, and I do actually like Shane on TV.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 29, 2007 4:07:53 GMT -5
How come Flair never called Shane a glorified stuntman? He would be right. Because he was too busy making himself look like a moron.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Nov 29, 2007 10:58:17 GMT -5
but when you think about the best WWF(E) high spots EVER, most of them involve, not a regular wrestler, but Shane O Mac, Shane McMahon himself? ...not really. He CAN take a bump for a non wrestler, but not really, no. Kudos to his past exploits though.
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Post by poi zen rana on Nov 29, 2007 11:21:08 GMT -5
i don't know, after the angle match (and probably earlier) shane had pretty much shed the non-wrestler title to me.
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Post by mrjl on Nov 29, 2007 16:18:59 GMT -5
I just wonder why he's built up as a hardcore badass no matter who he's against. I mean, he was booked insanely strong against Test, Blackman, Big Show, Kurt Angle, Kane: All men built to be badasses at the time. Anyway, I read above a post suggesting that maybe Shane did his crazy bumps to prove to the boys that he was willing to do the bumps even though he was the boss's son and didn't need to...I'm willing to argue that being the boss's son pretty much necessitated that he go crazy out there. I think Vince would hold Shane to insanely high expectations, since Vince won't want to give him special treatment. I mean, Shawn Michaels superplexed the man off a ladder THROUGH tables OUTSIDE the ring (among other absolutely INSANE spots)! Vince goes balls out and I think he expects Shane to also. He wasn't built all that strong against all of those guys. When feuding with Test, he had MSP run interference for him and then against Blackman he had Test & Albert do the same. JR did a great job, imo, portraying Shane as a pussy. Against Big Show, I believe he had help again him as well. The latter... Angle and Kane, he was a face. Now you can argue he was booked too strong against those guys as they were world champion material talents, where as he needed help as a heel against guys like Test and Blackman... I dunno, though. I don't think it was that big of a deal, regardless. Shane O'Mac had Test MEGA-OVER after that feud... which WWE failed to capitalize on after the whole HHH ordeal. Shane did nothing but help Blackman after their Summerslam match and had fans interested in the craziness the WWE was doing, compared to the crap WCW was doing. Also, it really nailed the fact that Blackman was hardcore. Shane gave both Big Show and Kane good, entertaining feuds. He also gave Angle a solid match in a style we hadn't really seen at that point from Kurt. Shane was booked strong against these guys BECAUSE he went all out. Steve Austin can get a pin out of Kane with a Stunner. Shane goes Coast to Coast with a dropkick into a chair or garbage can and can't get the pin.
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