Goldberg: The Attitude Era's Ultimate Warrior?

[threev]

I thought Goldberg's in ring was a lot more entertaining than Warrior's. He wasn't a technical, chain wrestling genius, but Goldberg had the ability to do some things athletically that Warrior could only dream of.

Early on in his streak, there was a match I remember where he dodged a punch/sweep kick combination by ducking and then doing a back flip. It was that sort of stuff that got him as over as his entrance and his squash matches, because he made them look pretty legitimate. He was also able to have good matches with guys like William Regal, and some others. Warrior was made to have short matches because even considerably good workers couldn't do much with him.

The Hogan match Goldberg had, also, I thought, wasn't too bad. It was free on TV, and had a ton of heat. They didn't do too much in the match, but if you look back at WM6 they didn't too much in Hogan/Warrior I either and were able to get it over.

I liked the Goldberg character until 2000ish.

[The Thread Barbi]

Yay! I'm gonna go off topic and just state an observation.

Since we all hate Warrior so much (bigot, no workrate), and Goldberg (overrated, no workrate), why is this the fourth thread this week we've had about Warrior and the second or third one about Goldberg?

Do we really despise them so much, that we feel the need to talk about them four days out of seven?

[Boku AKA Da Green Guy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Goldberg was a good (not great) wrestler.

To use an anti-IWC phrase (only because it is warranted): He didn't have to use fifty moves a match or a SSP off a fifty story building to get over. He had his own style that worked out great for him.

That being said, I can see ties but they are not the same character.

[mrjl]

Goldberg was a much better wrestler than Warrior, and Warrior seems to think he was God's gift to wrestling. Meanwhile GOldberg knows what he was capable of in the past, and if Vince doesn't want to use him to the best of his ability then that's Vince's problem.

[mrjl]

Question, was this the date of the Nitro where Regal shot on GOldberg: 2/9/98.

Cause seriously Goldberg was awesome during that. Regal didn't make him look bad at all.

[threev]

mrjl said:

Question, was this the date of the Nitro where Regal shot on GOldberg: 2/9/98.

Cause seriously Goldberg was awesome during that. Regal didn't make him look bad at all.

I believe it was, but I never knew Regal shot on him? What happened?

[mrjl]

threev said:

mrjl said:

Question, was this the date of the Nitro where Regal shot on GOldberg: 2/9/98.

Cause seriously Goldberg was awesome during that. Regal didn't make him look bad at all.

I believe it was, but I never knew Regal shot on him? What happened?

All I know is in one of his last WCW before going to become the Man's Man in WWF he was part of Goldberg's streak. Supposedly he decided to show the rookie up and while he still lost as supposed to he made Goldberg look like a fool leading up to it, instead of just being a victim.

[threev]

mrjl said:

threev said:

I believe it was, but I never knew Regal shot on him? What happened?

All I know is in one of his last WCW before going to become the Man's Man in WWF he was part of Goldberg's streak. Supposedly he decided to show the rookie up and while he still lost as supposed to he made Goldberg look like a fool leading up to it, instead of just being a victim.

Yeah, sort of, the match is on YouTube. I just rewatched it and it does seem like he was shooting on him, but the match still went pretty smoothly considering. Huh, wow, I never knew that.

[Mister Yummy]

I don't think Regal was shooting. What I do think, however, is that Steven Regal vs. Bill Goldberg is one of the greatest matches I've personally ever seen, and I've seen alot.

[mrjl]

misteryummy said:

I don't think Regal was shooting. What I do think, however, is that Steven Regal vs. Bill Goldberg is one of the greatest matches I've personally ever seen, and I've seen alot.

I'd heard about it but never seen it till I looked it up to talk about this. It was quite a match and certainly not what people claimed it was, Regal making a fool of Goldberg.

One thing that makes me believe the shoot comment is there's one spot where Regal is backed into the corner, GOldberg kicks at him, and Regal blocks it. That block just didn't strike me as something you'd see in a normal match.

[mrjl]

coksf said:

Yay! I'm gonna go off topic and just state an observation.

Since we all hate Warrior so much (bigot, no workrate), and Goldberg (overrated, no workrate), why is this the fourth thread this week we've had about Warrior and the second or third one about Goldberg?

Do we really despise them so much, that we feel the need to talk about them four days out of seven?

Because this is Wrestlecrap where that which sucks is celebrated?

[The Thread Barbi]

mrjl said:

coksf said:

Yay! I'm gonna go off topic and just state an observation.

Since we all hate Warrior so much (bigot, no workrate), and Goldberg (overrated, no workrate), why is this the fourth thread this week we've had about Warrior and the second or third one about Goldberg?

Do we really despise them so much, that we feel the need to talk about them four days out of seven?

Because this is Wrestlecrap where that which sucks is celebrated?

There's Wrestlecrap, and then there's blind hate. Warrior and Goldberg usually receive the latter around these parts.

[Citizen Snips]

coksf said:

mrjl said:

Because this is Wrestlecrap where that which sucks is celebrated?

There's Wrestlecrap, and then there's blind hate. Warrior and Goldberg usually receive the latter around these parts.

Batista gets 14 threads every 3 minutes. Just the way of the world.

[plushtar]

Warrior was more memorable;its debatable whether or not his opponents (Hogan, Andre, Rude, Savage, Undertaker) made him memorable.

The only three Goldberg moments that stand out to me are:
- Victory #75: Raven
- Victory #101: Hogan
- Scott Hall impersonates Jacques Rougeau to help Nash end his streak.

[KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!!]

cubixcubejohnny said:

Personally, I think Goldberg was the Goldberg of the Attitude Era.

I disagree!

[Jay Peas 42]

I thought Warrior was the Warrior of the Attitude era?

[Bob Schlapowitz]

cubixcubejohnny said:

Personally, I think Goldberg was the Goldberg of the Attitude Era.

Personally, I think Goldberg wasn't even in WWF/E during the Attitude Era.

[Branimal]

I actually don't really have anything against Goldberg. I thought he was okay at best.

However, I still dislike how he was booked in the Elimination Chamber in 2003..when he eliminated about 3 or 4 of WWE's top guys in about 3 minutes..and of course, the debacle of a match at WM XX..Other than that, I was fine with everything else.

[kitsunestar]

Goldberg had a lot of potential that he never lived up to.

I understand that he didn't really care to, but he could work the MMA-style submissions into his arsenal, and really, if there wasn't that whole "Aura of Domination" that they had to keep up, I think Goldberg could have at least been on the same level of or better than someone like Ken Shamrock, as far as ringwork.

[chunkylover53]

mrjl said:

misteryummy said:

I don't think Regal was shooting. What I do think, however, is that Steven Regal vs. Bill Goldberg is one of the greatest matches I've personally ever seen, and I've seen alot.

I'd heard about it but never seen it till I looked it up to talk about this. It was quite a match and certainly not what people claimed it was, Regal making a fool of Goldberg.

One thing that makes me believe the shoot comment is there's one spot where Regal is backed into the corner, GOldberg kicks at him, and Regal blocks it. That block just didn't strike me as something you'd see in a normal match.

The way I saw the match, I don't think Goldberg looked bad. I saw it as a technique Regal tried to manuever to handle the unstoppable machine. It gave Goldberg a challenge that he successfully fended off(at least in kayfabe terms).