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Post by Near Fantastica on Nov 29, 2007 13:56:59 GMT -5
RVD didn't really say much of anything here. He kind of avoided giving a straight up answer. People seem to forget that even though they'd LOVE him to, HHH doesn't run creative and I truly believe that if Vince wanted to say no to an idea he would. Look at HHH right now. He's in a mid-card storyline with Jeff Hardy.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 29, 2007 13:58:10 GMT -5
RVD didn't really say much of anything here. He kind of avoided giving a straight up answer. People seem to forget that even though they'd LOVE him to, HHH doesn't run creative and I truly believe that if Vince wanted to say no to an idea he would. Look at HHH right now. He's in a mid-card storyline with Jeff Hardy. That's true, but I'm sure he does have some influence.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 29, 2007 13:59:13 GMT -5
I don't remember much from 2002. I stopped watching literally right before Triple H was *handed* the title. Thankfully, this meant I missed Katie Vick, Al Wilson, and Hunter's Reign of Terror. It seemed like a really bad time to be a wrestling fan. In terms of being a fan. I watched all these things and enjoyed them. the Katie Vick thing was hilarious because I enjoy that type of Dx humor. Al wilson was atrocious but it did make for some HLA...that's about the only good... Triple H's heel reign was good at establishing the title. He would lose it only to get it back. Reminded me a lot of Ric FLair's heyday actually.
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Post by lildude8218 on Nov 29, 2007 13:59:49 GMT -5
Is there an opposite of smark bait? or does it work for both good and bad things? Well, as the guy who coined the term "smark bait," I've always envisioned it as a bad thing. Still, this type of thing does need a term. I'm going to go with "smark fluffing." Now to see if it becomes an IWC meme (it won't). Not catchy enough, maybe something like IWeCstasy? yeah, that sucks too
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Post by humorousled on Nov 29, 2007 14:09:10 GMT -5
2002 was a bad time to be a wrestling fan, especially if you watched RAW. RVD was one of several guys who should have gotten a win against The "Almighty" Game at that time. Booker T when he was on RAW back then should have gotten a win along with Brother Ray who was in a singles program. Don't even get me started on the Kane/Katie Vick fiasco.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 29, 2007 14:14:35 GMT -5
2002 was a bad time to be a wrestling fan, especially if you watched RAW. RVD was one of several guys who should have gotten a win against The "Almighty" Game at that time. Booker T when he was on RAW back then should have gotten a win along with Brother Ray who was in a singles program. Don't even get me started on the Kane/Katie Vick fiasco. I thought 2002 was a great year actually, though around the latter part it wasn't as hot,IMO. I do agree Booker should have gotten a win over Trips, but Trips had to win some of those feuds otherwise he'd be a weak champion.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 29, 2007 14:15:27 GMT -5
How were they supposed to know RVD would smurf up like that back in 2002 (and arguably 2001)? That'd be like saying, I guess in retrospect Jackie O should have insisted JFK take a car with a roof. No one knew that, and that would have probably been a good time to ping-pong the title back and forth like they did with HHH and Rock back in 2000. But RVD's entirely to blame for 2006.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Nov 29, 2007 14:17:28 GMT -5
2002 was a bad time to be a wrestling fan, especially if you watched RAW. RVD was one of several guys who should have gotten a win against The "Almighty" Game at that time. Booker T when he was on RAW back then should have gotten a win along with Brother Ray who was in a singles program. Don't even get me started on the Kane/Katie Vick fiasco. I thought 2002 was a great year actually, though around the latter part it wasn't as hot,IMO. Agreed with that. That MSG Raw after Summerslam was the last great Raw IMO* *Mostly because I was there. ;D
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Nov 29, 2007 14:28:10 GMT -5
RVD was as over as anybody i think thats why he feels he shouldve got a run, and i agree.The guy was getting Austin pops during the invasion. RVD annoys me. He keeps acting like the WWE and HHH held him down. When ECW was relaunched, he had two titles, including the WWE title! TWO! He then smoked weed with Sabu and got caught by the police, so they obviously had to strip him of them. Basically, RVD screwed RVD, and I wish he would man up and stop blaming Triple H. Except the incidents he's talking about happened about four or so years before the weed incident. Big whoop. He smoked marijuana. OOOOOOO. Yeah, nobody ever could've guessed RVD smoked pot. Meanwhile, steroids are completely acceptable. And it's not like it garnered even half the negative press as did a certain stunt in Germany which saw the perpetrator punished for his actions with an extremely stale year-long run with the belt.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 29, 2007 14:30:04 GMT -5
RVD annoys me. He keeps acting like the WWE and HHH held him down. When ECW was relaunched, he had two titles, including the WWE title! TWO! He then smoked weed with Sabu and got caught by the police, so they obviously had to strip him of them. Basically, RVD screwed RVD, and I wish he would man up and stop blaming Triple H. Except the incidents he's talking about happened about four or so years before the weed incident. Big whoop. He smoked marijuana. OOOOOOO. Yeah, nobody ever could've guessed RVD smoked pot. Meanwhile, steroids are completely acceptable. I don't think either is acceptable, but again as said before he should've been on his toes as management wasn't crazy about him. This would've been his chance to show them that he could lead a company and not mess up, but he couldn't do that.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 29, 2007 14:33:55 GMT -5
RVD annoys me. He keeps acting like the WWE and HHH held him down. When ECW was relaunched, he had two titles, including the WWE title! TWO! He then smoked weed with Sabu and got caught by the police, so they obviously had to strip him of them. Basically, RVD screwed RVD, and I wish he would man up and stop blaming Triple H. Except the incidents he's talking about happened about four or so years before the weed incident. Big whoop. He smoked marijuana. OOOOOOO. Yeah, nobody ever could've guessed RVD smoked pot. Meanwhile, steroids are completely acceptable. And it's not like it garnered even half the negative press as did a certain stunt in Germany which saw the perpetrator punished for his actions with an extremely stale year-long run with the belt. If you, JBL and I are ever in the same room together, I'm running for cover.
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Post by The OP on Nov 29, 2007 14:47:39 GMT -5
RVD annoys me. He keeps acting like the WWE and HHH held him down. When ECW was relaunched, he had two titles, including the WWE title! TWO! He then smoked weed with Sabu and got caught by the police, so they obviously had to strip him of them. Basically, RVD screwed RVD, and I wish he would man up and stop blaming Triple H. Except the incidents he's talking about happened about four or so years before the weed incident. Big whoop. He smoked marijuana. OOOOOOO. Yeah, nobody ever could've guessed RVD smoked pot. Meanwhile, steroids are completely acceptable. And it's not like it garnered even half the negative press as did a certain stunt in Germany which saw the perpetrator punished for his actions with an extremely stale year-long run with the belt. To be fair, I think most of the people who actually heard about either of those things are wrestling fans. I don't know if RVD jobbing to Triple H was neccessarily about holding RVD down. The way they were booking it, they would build up a babyface to make it look like he would take the title from Trips but it would never happen. People often fell for it, so in that sense it was good booking. RVD should still feel like he deserved the title anyway, and he apparently does. Wrestlers should believe they're the best and go for the gold. It's a sign of greateness.
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Post by cabbageboy on Nov 29, 2007 14:59:08 GMT -5
First off, I can see the logic in HHH retaining at Unforgiven 2002 since the belt has just been brought back. Thing is, the build was so odd since it involved RVD losing the IC title to Jericho, with HHH getting the best of RVD.
I didn't have a problem with the Flair heel turn on RVD, since I figured it set up a road block in RVD's path to the title. I figured he would take care of Flair, then set his sights on HHH again. But no, he just sorta got buried soon after Survivor Series 2002.
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Nov 29, 2007 16:13:56 GMT -5
He held devalued midcard titles for one year, and he's expecting Triple f'n H to lay down for him? Yeah Rob, maybe with another joint that can actually "happen"... If "Triple f'n H" didn't have people on top lay down for him originally, he'd still be carrying HBK's luggage right now. You only get the opportunity to be on top if another guy on top puts you over. And by that I mean makes you look better or at least equal. It's how you make stars. People seem to forget that even though they'd LOVE him to, HHH doesn't run creative and I truly believe that if Vince wanted to say no to an idea he would. Look at HHH right now. He's in a mid-card storyline with Jeff Hardy. The thing is there are a lot of people on here who'll swear that Hunter has no influence at all and it's all Vince, and I find that highly naive. Every major star in WWE history has used political stroke, bar maybe Rock. From Hogan to Bret to HBk to Austin they all used their stroke, so why is it so far fetched to assume that the guy who's MARRIED to the boss's daughter, and who has been mentioned by Vince multiple times in interviews as being one of his sucessors, wouldn't try to influence certain things in creative ? A creative team that his wife runs. It's no different than Hollywood. These guys have egos and look out for themselves and their own legacies.
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Post by Tapout on Nov 29, 2007 16:47:51 GMT -5
None of that really matters now. Where we are is, RVD is no longer with the company.
He supposedly left on good terms.
And every whiny accusation he makes gets closer and closer to setting that bridge on fire.
The RVD marks should really be hoping he keeps his mouth shut. That's the best thing he could possibly ever do if anyone wants to see him return to the E.
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Nov 29, 2007 19:02:00 GMT -5
None of that really matters now. Where we are is, RVD is no longer with the company. He supposedly left on good terms. And every whiny accusation he makes gets closer and closer to setting that bridge on fire. The RVD marks should really be hoping he keeps his mouth shut. That's the best thing he could possibly ever do if anyone wants to see him return to the E. Just ask Warrior, right?
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Post by HRH The KING on Nov 29, 2007 19:10:26 GMT -5
His interview with Power Slam was unintentionally hilarious. He spent so much time talking about drugs Power Slam couldn't even print most of it. His comments suggest to me that WWE was correct in never pushing this guy as the champion. RVD is a drug-disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Nov 29, 2007 19:28:59 GMT -5
RVD?
The biggest drug disaster that would happen with him would be the loss of every last Dorito backstage.
Then again, if JBL doesn't get his Cool Ranch, someone's getting shower raped.
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Post by Loki on Nov 29, 2007 19:36:19 GMT -5
He held devalued midcard titles for one year, and he's expecting Triple f'n H to lay down for him? Yeah Rob, maybe with another joint that can actually "happen"... If "Triple f'n H" didn't have people on top lay down for him originally, he'd still be carrying HBK's luggage right now. You only get the opportunity to be on top if another guy on top puts you over. And by that I mean makes you look better or at least equal. It's how you make stars. So what? Triple H wrestled FOUR years before winning the WWF Title, he wasn't given it right away... RVD didn't lose that much credibility or fan support anyway, it's not like he was wrestling on Heat the night after he lost to Triple H. Did he look THAT bad? I don't think so.
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Post by BIG DUNC on Nov 29, 2007 19:44:38 GMT -5
Is there an opposite of smark bait? Quality. I just feel sorry for the americans on here that have no idea what this is about.
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