WWE has "got away" with the Benoit situation.

[Libertine]

I was thinking about this over the past couple of days.

It seems to me as if WWE has escaped with little to no proper investigation/punishment (either internally or externally) since the Benoit incident.

Certainly, a few wrestlers were suspended and some easy scapegoats were made (Masters, Nova) but those taken to task are back like nothing has occured.

WWE, in lieu of Benoit, has simply erased him from history and appear to believe that has solved it all.

Whatever happened to this Congressional intervention?

[Jack]

why should they be investigated/punished?

If tomorrow you woke up and murdered your wife and child would your bosses be expected a visit from the cops?

[plushtar]

tryme said:

why should they be investigated/punished?

If tomorrow you woke up and murdered your wife and child would your bosses be expected a visit from the cops?

Beat all of us to it.

By the way threadstarter, are you either Nancy Grace or Marc Mero?

[Michael Coello]

Isn't the hearing suppose to be scheduled for next year?

[heyguesswhatidid]

Do the post offices get investigated when a postal worker goes insane?

[Libertine]

plushtar said:

tryme said:

why should they be investigated/punished?

If tomorrow you woke up and murdered your wife and child would your bosses be expected a visit from the cops?

Beat all of us to it.

By the way threadstarter, are you either Nancy Grace or Marc Mero?

I knew I'd phrased it wrong, but I believe WWE's practises in so much of worker's schedules, treatment and pressure to perform were due to come under scrutiny?

Maybe you're both right, but it just seems to have been buried rather quickly, you know?

And to answer your question: Marc Mero. That moonsault was great.

[Jack]

Running an organisation where everyone is on drugs isn't enough to take action against the company. If that was the case McDonald's would have been shut down years ago the amount of dope smokers who work there.

It's all smoke and mirrors. At the end of the day it's the individual that is responsible not the company. Virgin Records aren't accountable if their artists go and do something stupid. VH1 weren't responsible for the Nick Hogan car crash.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

heyguesswhatidid said:

Do the post offices get investigated when a postal worker goes insane?

If it happens during the course of work or at the Post Office, yeah....otherwise, they won't investigate the post office if Newman offs his whole family.

[Jack]

I do feel sympathy with Vince here. He pays good wages, he gives people a shot at the big time and some of his employees make very bad life choices and suddenly the onus falls on him to help them and he gets the blame when something goes wrong.

There's a reason why there are a ton of wrestlers dead before their time due to drugs and drink. They're very under-educated people with little discipline who haven't learnt to grow up. If you don't like the life i.e the travel, the workload, the training, the injuries then sit in a damn office or do something else for a living.

I hate it when I hear the whinging. "I had to work five weeks in a row without a day off" - boohoo. Nobody forced you to. It's like someone who enters the triathlon at the Olympics complaining about having to compete in a load of different events. Sorry but.....tough, that's what you do for a living.

Of course that's what the excuse used to be when guys used to go out and work eight shows a week. These days with TV they work a LOT less, journey time is a fraction of what it was (due to flights becoming more frequent and affordable and WWE's policy of moving from town to town rather than criss crossing the country week in week out) we're supposed to feel sorry for them as these rich men spend their hard earned cash on drugs. Again - boo-hoo. I don't feel sorry for music stars who get into drugs and I dont have sympathy for wrestlers.

I'm just really fed up with this total lack of personal responsibility that we seem to get. I swear if I hear one 'shoot interview' from someone from the past moaning about how it was Vince's fault he OD's on drugs, lost his house and now can't walk and will probably die in the next five years....I'm shooting my teddy bear.

[The Summer of Muskrat XVII]

Well said my friend. Don't think there's anything anyone can really add to that.

[Legion]

tryme said:

I do feel sympathy with Vince here. He pays good wages, he gives people a shot at the big time and some of his employees make very bad life choices and suddenly the onus falls on him to help them and he gets the blame when something goes wrong.

There's a reason why there are a ton of wrestlers dead before their time due to drugs and drink. They're very under-educated people with little discipline who haven't learnt to grow up. If you don't like the life i.e the travel, the workload, the training, the injuries then sit in a damn office or do something else for a living.

I hate it when I hear the whinging. "I had to work five weeks in a row without a day off" - boohoo. Nobody forced you to. It's like someone who enters the triathlon at the Olympics complaining about having to compete in a load of different events. Sorry but.....tough, that's what you do for a living.

Of course that's what the excuse used to be when guys used to go out and work eight shows a week. These days with TV they work a LOT less, journey time is a fraction of what it was (due to flights becoming more frequent and affordable and WWE's policy of moving from town to town rather than criss crossing the country week in week out) we're supposed to feel sorry for them as these rich men spend their hard earned cash on drugs. Again - boo-hoo. I don't feel sorry for music stars who get into drugs and I dont have sympathy for wrestlers.

I'm just really fed up with this total lack of personal responsibility that we seem to get. I swear if I hear one 'shoot interview' from someone from the past moaning about how it was Vince's fault he OD's on drugs, lost his house and now can't walk and will probably die in the next five years....I'm shooting my teddy bear.

Great post.

It's annoying that because these people are peoples heroes or are overly respected, they get to get away with it, rather than take the personal responsibility.

[Jam]

tryme said:

I do feel sympathy with Vince here. He pays good wages, he gives people a shot at the big time and some of his employees make very bad life choices and suddenly the onus falls on him to help them and he gets the blame when something goes wrong.

There's a reason why there are a ton of wrestlers dead before their time due to drugs and drink. They're very under-educated people with little discipline who haven't learnt to grow up. If you don't like the life i.e the travel, the workload, the training, the injuries then sit in a damn office or do something else for a living.

I hate it when I hear the whinging. "I had to work five weeks in a row without a day off" - boohoo. Nobody forced you to. It's like someone who enters the triathlon at the Olympics complaining about having to compete in a load of different events. Sorry but.....tough, that's what you do for a living.

Of course that's what the excuse used to be when guys used to go out and work eight shows a week. These days with TV they work a LOT less, journey time is a fraction of what it was (due to flights becoming more frequent and affordable and WWE's policy of moving from town to town rather than criss crossing the country week in week out) we're supposed to feel sorry for them as these rich men spend their hard earned cash on drugs. Again - boo-hoo. I don't feel sorry for music stars who get into drugs and I dont have sympathy for wrestlers.

I'm just really fed up with this total lack of personal responsibility that we seem to get. I swear if I hear one 'shoot interview' from someone from the past moaning about how it was Vince's fault he OD's on drugs, lost his house and now can't walk and will probably die in the next five years....I'm shooting my teddy bear.

Well said, Sir.

[SassovsHart]

Congress should demote WWE from the Four Horsemen to RAW.

[ilggant]

tryme said:

I do feel sympathy with Vince here. He pays good wages, he gives people a shot at the big time and some of his employees make very bad life choices and suddenly the onus falls on him to help them and he gets the blame when something goes wrong.

There's a reason why there are a ton of wrestlers dead before their time due to drugs and drink. They're very under-educated people with little discipline who haven't learnt to grow up. If you don't like the life i.e the travel, the workload, the training, the injuries then sit in a damn office or do something else for a living.

I hate it when I hear the whinging. "I had to work five weeks in a row without a day off" - boohoo. Nobody forced you to. It's like someone who enters the triathlon at the Olympics complaining about having to compete in a load of different events. Sorry but.....tough, that's what you do for a living.

Of course that's what the excuse used to be when guys used to go out and work eight shows a week. These days with TV they work a LOT less, journey time is a fraction of what it was (due to flights becoming more frequent and affordable and WWE's policy of moving from town to town rather than criss crossing the country week in week out) we're supposed to feel sorry for them as these rich men spend their hard earned cash on drugs. Again - boo-hoo. I don't feel sorry for music stars who get into drugs and I dont have sympathy for wrestlers.

I'm just really fed up with this total lack of personal responsibility that we seem to get. I swear if I hear one 'shoot interview' from someone from the past moaning about how it was Vince's fault he OD's on drugs, lost his house and now can't walk and will probably die in the next five years....I'm shooting my teddy bear.

by gawd that bear has a family!

(good post, agreed 100%)

[CrazySting]

I agree that Vince shouldn't get the blame for stuff like painkillers, recreational drugs...

However, steroids...that's another issue. Vince has been pushing bigger guys decades, and thus, guys on his roster alsways feel the need to be bigger to get a push. And in that case, Vince does share some of the blame for the problems these guys have in later life. Is it their personal choise to do steroids? Yes. However, you can't let Vince off the hook. He may not have been sticking the needles in them, but he created a working enviroment where people feel under pressure to have huge physiques. He is not totally blameless.


And anyone that wants proof of this needs to check out the infamous Masters/HHH segment. Where a guy that got clean, is mocked for doing so. And what happened then? Masters bulked up again.

[JMA]

If you're referring to the out of control drug use in WWE, they haven't gotten away with it and they won't. Whether it's because of pressure or force from above Vince, I do see WWE having to change in major ways.

As for Benoit, I think the damage was already done there. I don't see how WWE could have foreseen and stopped it. Hindsight is always 20/20.

[Jock Ass]

jma said:

If you're referring to the out of control drug use in WWE, they haven't gotten away with it and they won't. Whether it's because of pressure or force from above Vince, I do see WWE having to change in major ways.

I think this might possibly be the beginning of the end for the whole "independant contractor" thing.

[jobberjoe]

I think the travel schedule should be looked at for the WWE- I don't that helps- or maybe a way of rotating wrestlers on and off more.