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Post by samachine on Dec 4, 2007 17:19:22 GMT -5
I'll answer if someone else answers me this: What the hell is this all the Bret/Shawn threads....even after the Survivor Series? It's the two most prominent guys before the Attitude Era, it's like Rock and Stone Cold
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 4, 2007 17:22:52 GMT -5
I'll answer if someone else answers me this: What the hell is this all the Bret/Shawn threads....even after the Survivor Series? It's the two most prominent guys before the Attitude Era, it's like Rock and Stone Cold Maybe during the New Generation......
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Post by x on Dec 4, 2007 17:50:41 GMT -5
Bret Hart was the better wrestler, Shawn Michaels was the better entertainer.
It depends on what kind of wrestler you are looking for.
Right now HBK in his prime would work in WWE and Bret would probably be in ROH.
Shawn can work a great match but he's more of an showman than Bret. Put Bret in a match with most guys and he'll pull off a better match than Shanw IMO.
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Post by rubber johnny on Dec 4, 2007 17:53:52 GMT -5
bret hart was the man you'd want to befriend
shawn michaels would just try to come on to you, and expose his pubic hair
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Post by J is Justice on Dec 4, 2007 17:56:04 GMT -5
Bret Hart was the better wrestler, Shawn Michaels was the better entertainer. It depends on what kind of wrestler you are looking for. Right now HBK in his prime would work in WWE and Bret would probably be in ROH. Shawn can work a great match but he's more of an showman than Bret. Put Bret in a match with most guys and he'll pull off a better match than Shanw IMO. This
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Dec 4, 2007 18:08:07 GMT -5
Bret was a wrestler, plain and simple. Not a showman, not a promo guy, just a wrestler.
Shawn is a showman first off. He's a promo guy and a wrestler too. He's about entertaining.
I'm giving it too HBK...I've always found Bret boring so he can't win in my eyes.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 4, 2007 19:13:12 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels was more exciting, but Bret was the better technical wrestler.
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Post by The OP on Dec 4, 2007 19:18:36 GMT -5
I say Bret, though Shawn in also great.
I think people are forgetting how popular Bret was with kids. In that sense he was like a Hogan or a Cena more than a Benoit or Malenko. He always gave sunglasses to kids and had a popular catchphrase. Obviously he's not nearly as famous as Hulk Hogan, but I think he was more famous than John Cena was before The Marine came out. He definitely had a technical side, be he was also somewhat formulaic like a sports entertainer. Some of this is revisionism I think.
Hell, he's still probably as famous as Shawn Michaels and he doesn't even wrestle anymore.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Dec 4, 2007 19:20:50 GMT -5
Shawn is better all-around. Bret is technically sound no doubt, but he doesn't cater to anyone else but himself.
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Post by The OP on Dec 4, 2007 19:24:33 GMT -5
Shawn is better all-around. Bret is technically sound no doubt, but he doesn't cater to anyone else but himself. This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. I can't imagine someone who's old enough to have watched Bret Hart in his prime saying this.
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Post by mainsupreme on Dec 4, 2007 19:53:35 GMT -5
Well.... A lot of bret his matches bored me to tears actually.... I'm not the biggest fan of HBK ever, but his matches were always more entertaining. Although HBK is a prick outside the ring, I don't care. It's like calling iron maiden old and that's why you think their music sucks
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Post by tankmcquade on Dec 4, 2007 20:04:43 GMT -5
Shawn
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Post by cpbuff22 on Dec 4, 2007 21:34:53 GMT -5
Shawn was better over all...... Bret is one of the best EVER in the ring though.
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Post by Loki on Dec 5, 2007 4:48:54 GMT -5
First of all: it's like asking to a child if he loves mommy or daddy more... (a couple with obvious personal issues in this case ) Second: I don't really see how so many can just dismiss Bret's promo work as sub-par, bad etc. Bret was GOOD on the mic especially post '94ish, the fact is he didn't scream and didn't overact every line. His gimmick was being a wrestler, and proud of that. His promos had to convey that passion and that feeling of pride and of "real". He was all about selling the match as a "legit" confrontation. So he spoke calmly but firmly. Then his heel turn brought forth a more bitter and loud man, but always with that vibe of "it's real to me". Bret pays the price of not being a loudmouth, obnoxious, catchphrase/taunt machine. Anyway, rant over and back to the original topic. I can't choose. Bret was the better wrestler and Shawn gets more credit for the entertainment side (although I'm not a big fan of the original D-X antics).
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Post by King Fox -1017 Bricksquad on Dec 5, 2007 4:55:15 GMT -5
Shawn
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Post by Baixo Astral on Dec 5, 2007 4:58:43 GMT -5
Bret is the better mat technician, but Shawn is a better pro-wrestler.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Dec 5, 2007 5:02:07 GMT -5
If you're asking who the better WRESTLER is, Bret is better, and I'm a huge HBK fan. I mean when you're coming from that family, wrestling has gotta be ingrained into your DNA. I remember hearing about Bret being great in the amateur circuit also, so he gets the nod from me more so than a guy who has a kick for a finisher, with all due respect to Shawn.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Dec 5, 2007 5:10:28 GMT -5
Shawn- At 42, he is just as good as he was at 32. Bret at 42, was a shell of his former self. Shawn is one of the best all around of all time and is just better. Bret had a great career, just not as good as Shawns. See I don't think that's fair to say. It wasn't Bret's fault for the way his career ended. What if the shoe was on the other foot, and HBK never came back after Royal Rumble '98?
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Post by thesunbeast on Dec 5, 2007 6:32:11 GMT -5
The only types of wrestling questions I don't really like are "who's a better wrestler" type of questions, because the business is bigger than any one wrestler, and there for no one wrestler will have it all. There are so many intangibles that each individual legendary wrestler has that can't, and shouldn't, get replaced by something else that would be considered great.
Bret and Shawn were opposites, from different eras. Bret was the best, Shawn was the best. That really is the answer. Hogan was the best, and Flair was the best, The Rock was the best, and Austin was the best. It's like this: Bret was technically one of the soundest wrestlers there were, but his main attribute, his number 1 charactoristic, was his storytelling. Bret's psychology and storytelling skills were unmatched. Bret's psychology was so good that he has other veteran wrestlers even to this day thinking that he didn't understand a few things just because he had a different way of thinking than anyone else, think about that. Bret is one of the only wrestlers I've ever seen that, to this day, will make anyone that watches his matches forget that wrestling is fake.
Sometimes as a fan, of any sport including wrestling, you can go to an event and there will be someone you'll know is going to be on the show that you'll know will give you a special moment, someone like Michael Jordan, who, when he flies through the air, you can take that legendary pic with your camera, but somehow does it with emotion that you would remember even without the pic. That is the type of wrestler Shawn Michaels is. Shawn is gifted like that, and will make anyone who watched him realize just how great a pro wrestler could be. A brand new fan, who has spent a lifetime watching all other sports, would sit and watched a wrestling show knowing it's not real, and they'd see a Shawn Michaels match and be very surprized. That's saying something.
When it comes down to it, if you're a fan of "workers", then HBK is the best. If you're a fan of storytellers, then Bret is the best.
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Post by cart on Dec 5, 2007 6:35:38 GMT -5
Michaels is the greatest innovator in wrestling history. Bret couldn't hold his jock strap, Michaels could get a great match out of a nobody where Bret had to have stellar opponents to have good matches.
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