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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 6:39:41 GMT -5
I'll answer if someone else answers me this: What the hell is this all the Bret/Shawn threads....even after the Survivor Series? Seriously, I mean every day has one in some fashion or another.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 6:40:39 GMT -5
Michaels is the greatest innovator in wrestling history. Bret couldn't hold his jock strap, Michaels could get a great match out of a nobody where Bret had to have stellar opponents to have good matches. Not true at all, his matches with Kevin Nash in 95 were great and Nash wouldn't be considered a ring general either.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 5, 2007 6:49:51 GMT -5
Michaels is the greatest innovator in wrestling history. Bret couldn't hold his jock strap, Michaels could get a great match out of a nobody where Bret had to have stellar opponents to have good matches. Wow dude. Little biased are we? First and foremost I'm gonna admit I'm about as big of a Bret mark as there is, and from a technical standpoint Bret is no doubt the better wrestler, and better in ring storyteller. That being said, HBK is better on the stick for sure, and can more than hold his own in the ring. They really are 2 different styles of wreslters. Bret was tailor made for the old days of the NWA, where as Shawn was always a WWE style performer. As for the last comment, you are obviously just trying to start something or you have never actually watched Bret's matchs from the early to mid 90's. Diesel, Lawler, Yankem, Doink. He pulled good to great matches out of all of them
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Post by cart on Dec 5, 2007 7:01:21 GMT -5
Michaels is the greatest innovator in wrestling history. Bret couldn't hold his jock strap, Michaels could get a great match out of a nobody where Bret had to have stellar opponents to have good matches. Wow dude. Little biased are we? First and foremost I'm gonna admit I'm about as big of a Bret mark as there is, and from a technical standpoint Bret is no doubt the better wrestler, and better in ring storyteller. That being said, HBK is better on the stick for sure, and can more than hold his own in the ring. They really are 2 different styles of wreslters. Bret was tailor made for the old days of the NWA, where as Shawn was always a WWE style performer. As for the last comment, you are obviously just trying to start something or you have never actually watched Bret's matchs from the early to mid 90's. Diesel, Lawler, Yankem, Doink. He pulled good to great matches out of all of them Ok ok so I'm a Michaels mark, but don't try and tell me that the Bret/ Yankem matches were good, thats a lie and you know it, granted I forgot that the match with doink at Summerslam was decent, , but in my opinion, bret rarely brought out people's ability in the way michaels did, yes he launched Austin in a great match, yes his matches against Mr. Perfect at a summerslam and king of the ring were two astounding matchups ( but im a mr perfect mark too) just saying Hart matches don't compare to michaels' in entertainment, plus there is nothing Hart could do in the ring michaels couldn't, dunno if you can say that about Hart.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 7:02:40 GMT -5
I always found Shawn overrated myself, just a guy who can bump around like a pinball and more of a high-flyer while Bret is more of a grounded technical wrestler.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 5, 2007 7:08:53 GMT -5
Bret was able to tell a much more fluid story in his matches. His selling was a much more realistic visual than Shawns. And that's not discounting Shawn's ability, I always just felt he oversold and that hurt the match. Shawn very often lacked the subtlty that Bret had in the ring.
That being said, it really is a debate akin to which is better Godfather pt 1 or pt 2. Both have a good case, and both have alot of supporters. And when it really comes down to it, both are great
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Post by cart on Dec 5, 2007 7:15:18 GMT -5
Bret was able to tell a much more fluid story in his matches. His selling was a much more realistic visual than Shawns. And that's not discounting Shawn's ability, I always just felt he oversold and that hurt the match. Shawn very often lacked the subtlty that Bret had in the ring. That being said, it really is a debate akin to which is better Godfather pt 1 or pt 2. Both have a good case, and both have alot of supporters. And when it really comes down to it, both are great I dunno about overselling, no doubt he has done in the past ala the hogan summerslam match, but his ability to take simple moves like a clotheline over the top rope and make it look devestating is testament to his talent, and for a guy as small as he was the way he sold moves made it look like he was legitimately getting his ass kicked which made the innevitable comeback all the better. You could make a case that Ric Flair oversold, yet nearly every active wrestler today say's he was the greatest of all time.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 7:17:30 GMT -5
Bret was able to tell a much more fluid story in his matches. His selling was a much more realistic visual than Shawns. And that's not discounting Shawn's ability, I always just felt he oversold and that hurt the match. Shawn very often lacked the subtlty that Bret had in the ring. That being said, it really is a debate akin to which is better Godfather pt 1 or pt 2. Both have a good case, and both have alot of supporters. And when it really comes down to it, both are great I dunno about overselling, no doubt he has done in the past ala the hogan summerslam match, but his ability to take simple moves like a clotheline over the top rope and make it look devestating is testament to his talent, and for a guy as small as he was the way he sold moves made it look like he was legitimately getting his ass kicked which made the innevitable comeback all the better. You could make a case that Ric Flair oversold, yet nearly every active wrestler today say's he was the greatest of all time. He'd sell like that for guys his size too, a kick to the gut and somehow Shawn is up on the top rope.
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Post by cart on Dec 5, 2007 7:20:09 GMT -5
I dunno about overselling, no doubt he has done in the past ala the hogan summerslam match, but his ability to take simple moves like a clotheline over the top rope and make it look devestating is testament to his talent, and for a guy as small as he was the way he sold moves made it look like he was legitimately getting his ass kicked which made the innevitable comeback all the better. You could make a case that Ric Flair oversold, yet nearly every active wrestler today say's he was the greatest of all time. He'd sell like that for guys his size too, a kick to the gut and somehow Shawn is up on the top rope. Yeah but thats just because pro wrestlers kick really really hard.....................
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 5, 2007 7:22:09 GMT -5
He'd sell like that for guys his size too, a kick to the gut and somehow Shawn is up on the top rope. Yeah but thats just because pro wrestlers kick really really hard..................... I dunno, some of those kicks couldn't break open a wet paper bag. To each his own I guess.
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Post by cart on Dec 5, 2007 7:25:46 GMT -5
Yeah but thats just because pro wrestlers kick really really hard..................... I dunno, some of those kicks couldn't break open a wet paper bag. To each his own I guess. 'That wet paper bag had a family'
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Post by comahan on Dec 5, 2007 7:36:49 GMT -5
Shawn.
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Post by The OP on Dec 5, 2007 10:53:29 GMT -5
Michaels is the greatest innovator in wrestling history. Bret couldn't hold his jock strap, Michaels could get a great match out of a nobody where Bret had to have stellar opponents to have good matches. LOL. One of the reasons Bret got his push is because he could get decent matches out of guys like the Barbarian.
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Post by Chris the Bambikiller on Dec 5, 2007 10:57:15 GMT -5
Why isn't this a poll?
Bret. Better technician, sells perfectly (Shawn likes to comically oversell).
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Post by imisswwf on Dec 5, 2007 14:20:58 GMT -5
Growing up in the 80s, I saw Bret hit the top of the mountain before Shawn. They are both one of a kind in their own right. Bret has always been my personal favorite over Shawn because I prefer the matwork and selling that Bret does. Basically its choosing between 1 vs 1a.
Go back to 1996-7 and watch Stone Cold (in his prime) vs Bret Hart at Survivor Series when Bret came back. You just don't see that type of selling and overall 5 star wrestling matches like that anymore.
There is a reason why WM 12 Iron Man Match is considered the greatest WM match of all time even within the WWE. Shawn vs Bret, 1 hour, absolute greatness.
2 of the absolute best ever to step foot inside the squared circle.
Gun to my head? Bret for the nostalgia, wrestling pedigree, old school classics, feuds with guys Shawn has never feuded with: Yokozuna, etc.
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Post by THE Dinobot on Dec 5, 2007 14:25:09 GMT -5
Bret. He's a gooder wrestle guy.
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Post by ilggant on Dec 5, 2007 14:34:26 GMT -5
Shawn by 1,000 miles
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Post by BxB on Dec 5, 2007 14:38:26 GMT -5
Bret Hart. Shawn might be a high flier of the highest magnitude but he's no Hitman. Seriously, though. I liked Bret-Austin more than HBK-Austin, Bret-Owen more than HBK-Owen. I thought Bret could work with anyone and judging by his matches with Waltman, Sid, Diesel, Bam Bam and Yoko, everyone of different sizes, that thought pretty much holds true. Shawn's a good worker, but he's not in my top 5.
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Post by Jared Has Been Enlightened :) on Dec 5, 2007 14:42:02 GMT -5
Shawn. His matches are just more entertaining. He's a better bumper, has the high risk stuff that Bret never had, and just has more of a flair for drama than Bret.
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Post by Near Fantastica on Dec 5, 2007 14:45:04 GMT -5
Shawn. Brets matches bored me. I don't mind technical, but he was simply boring.
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