question about wwe 1998 logic

[boxieness]

Okay so I'm watching the royal rumble 1998 today and I am a little confused...okay no i'm a lot confused! Ken shamrock main events the 1997 december in your house and almost wins the title. Then one month later he's demoted into the intercontinental title scene and is fueding with the nation? So they never followed up on the michales- shamrock program and just ended with the DQ finsh.

Furthermore at the end of the decmeber in your house Owen attacks HBK and at the rumble he's attacked by jeff jarrett what was jarretts beef with owen. This also was never followed up on because owen ends up fueding with hunter at mania 14 and never gets at shawn.

For all the greatness that was 1998 wwe i know i wasn't the onyl one confused

[Bubble Lead]

Well, anyone fighting HBK at that point was just a placeholder for Steve Austin. Plans were already to go into Mania with HBK vs. Austin headlining.

So basically, they were just trying to get midcarders like Owen and Shamrock over by having them go after HBK, who was very over as a heel.

[Stu]

I always figured Shamrock was a placeholder while Austin was wrapping up his feud with the Rock and moving on to Michaels. I didn't have a problem with it, since I was never a big Shamrock fan.

As for that entire Owen/Jarrett thing, I've always wondered about it as well. It was just so random. At the very least, it would've been nice for them to say DX slipped Jarrett a few dollars to ambush Owen.

[Shockmaster's Son]

Wrestling 101. When something doesn't draw or move the ratings needle, you move on to something else. That and Vince McMahon changes his mind every 10 seconds. His driver will roll down the window at the Arby's drive-thru and order him a cheeseburger with fires, then will chew out the worker for not giving him the spicy grilled chicken like he wanted!

[deadguy2322]

Vince+Russo+Shawn's ego=WTF booking

[rubber johnny]

ken shamrock went on to win king of the ring though

he was one of the more major wrestlers that year, he just wasn't a main-eventer of the level of foley, taker or obviously austin

i will always love kenny shamrock

[boxieness]

And shamrock was over i remember when he won the intercontinental title from the rock at rr98 and the crowd erupted and hated the rock when he got the decision reversed. Shamrock also brough tapping out to wrestling!

[royboy8]

Yea, I think he was just a one month stopgap...Plus he was super popular towards the end of the year...

The better question to ask would be Why Goldberg needed security guards to protect him in bringing him to the ring when he was an undefeated baddass?

[xwhatx]

i was a 12 year old mark the whole time and on the edge of my seat for any world title match, thinking that it just might change hands on raw someday.

shamrock had some good stuff, then he just disapeared and lost some weight

[ray3100]

boxieness said:

And shamrock was over i remember when he won the intercontinental title from the rock at rr98 and the crowd erupted and hated the rock when he got the decision reversed. Shamrock also brough tapping out to wrestling!

I hated that finish. They never reverse a decision because the winner continues to punish the loser after the match but for some reason they decided to do it that day. It was so stupid.

[wwerules60]

I miss matches like Shamrock vs. Michaels and Faarooq vs. Undertaker for the World Title. They always kept the world title picture interesting and fresh back then.

[The Blue Blazer]

jsolomonster said:

Wrestling 101. When something doesn't draw or move the ratings needle, you move on to something else. That and Vince McMahon changes his mind every 10 seconds. His driver will roll down the window at the Arby's drive-thru and order him a cheeseburger with fires, then will chew out the worker for not giving him the spicy grilled chicken like he wanted!

How do you order a double cheeseburger at Arby's?

[robferatu]

I've always heard that Shawn Michaels didn't want to work with Ken Shamrock or Owen Hart, and seeing as Shawn was "the man" at the time, I would assume he had alot of control of what he did and didn't want to do.

[destrucity]

optimistseatbabies said:

I've always heard that Shawn Michaels didn't want to work with Ken Shamrock or Owen Hart, and seeing as Shawn was "the man" at the time, I would assume he had alot of control of what he did and didn't want to do.

Owen & Shawn were scheduled to be opponents in the main event tag team match at No Way Out but Shawn got injured and the card was changed

["Hollywood" Cactus Matt]

blueblazer said:

jsolomonster said:

Wrestling 101. When something doesn't draw or move the ratings needle, you move on to something else. That and Vince McMahon changes his mind every 10 seconds. His driver will roll down the window at the Arby's drive-thru and order him a cheeseburger with fires, then will chew out the worker for not giving him the spicy grilled chicken like he wanted!

How do you order a double cheeseburger at Arby's?

"I'M VINCE MCMAHON, DAMMIT!"

[Hiroshi Hase]

boxieness said:

And shamrock was over i remember when he won the intercontinental title from the rock at rr98 and the crowd erupted and hated the rock when he got the decision reversed. Shamrock also brough tapping out to wrestling!

Actually it started in ECW I think in 95 or 96 with Tazz, then WCW started doing it, then WWF started doing it in 97 with Shamrock.

As for the HBK/Shamrock match, that encounter was just a title defense to kill time before Wrestlemania.

[x]

yjc1019 said:

boxieness said:

And shamrock was over i remember when he won the intercontinental title from the rock at rr98 and the crowd erupted and hated the rock when he got the decision reversed. Shamrock also brough tapping out to wrestling!

Actually it started in ECW I think in 95 or 96 with Tazz, then WCW started doing it, then WWF started doing it in 97 with Shamrock.

As for the HBK/Shamrock match, that encounter was just a title defense to kill time before Wrestlemania.

Tapping out sucks. I like verbal submissions.

But I remember that HBK/Shamrock feud. I remember Shamrock had put Michaels in an Ankle Lock and Michaels came out in a wheelchair. He then preceded to turn his foot all the way around and around and around.

[Aceorton]

optimistseatbabies said:

I've always heard that Shawn Michaels didn't want to work with Ken Shamrock or Owen Hart, and seeing as Shawn was "the man" at the time, I would assume he had alot of control of what he did and didn't want to do.

I'm sure there must have been a little resistance from Owen, too, since he'd just tried to get out of his WWF contract over what Michaels and Co. had done to his brother. But you're right -- I'd also heard it was mostly Michaels who shot down their singles feud, so HHH got Owen instead. Which is bad business, of course. After Montreal, Michaels vs. the last remaining Hart made perfect sense AND had tons of heat. If HBK hadn't been injured, he should have faced Owen at No Way Out, one-on-one for the title.

ray3100 said:

boxieness said:

And shamrock was over i remember when he won the intercontinental title from the rock at rr98 and the crowd erupted and hated the rock when he got the decision reversed. Shamrock also brough tapping out to wrestling!

I hated that finish. They never reverse a decision because the winner continues to punish the loser after the match but for some reason they decided to do it that day. It was so stupid.

The RR reversal was because the Rock had planted brass knuckles in Shamrock's trunks, which were discovered after the match. You're thinking of the Wrestlemania finish, which was also reversed. Until Shamrock finally beat Rock at KOTR, he was looking like quite the imbecile there for a while. You'd think you would notice a pair of cold, heavy steel knucks pressed against your wiener.