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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2007 7:57:37 GMT -5
.. and if I am, my most sincere apologies.
What do you think possesses promotions like the WWE to drop the ball or give up on wrestlers they obviously put a lot of time and effort into?
For example, Sean O'haire:
Here we have a guy who we knew could go in the ring given his days in the WCW, I mean, he wasn't a member of the Hart family, but he wasn't exactly a Khali in terms of ineptitude, either. Not only that, they give him a brilliant gimmick that could have made him one of the most over heels for the past 10 years... only to pair him with piper and have him feuding with the midcard.
Why is this? Bad attitude? Backstage politics? Or did the WWE simply believe that Sean O'haire simply didn't have what it took to make it?
Any other examples?
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Post by General Zod on Dec 12, 2007 8:03:44 GMT -5
I firmly believe that anyone with a modicom of athletic skill can be trained as a pro wrestler. That doesn't mean that everyone who wants to be a wrestler should be one; much less that they should be on the biggest American stage eating up valuable airtime with subpar in ring action, charisma-less posedowns and lukewarm reactions from the crowd.
True, not everyone can have the "it" factor when it comes to entertaining a crowd, but sadly, because the WWE is the only game in town, they're more willing to take a chance on guys they *think* can fill up space until someone more talented comes along and takes his spot. I like to think of it as survival mode. They can only produce what they have to work with, and if they don't have a naturally talented roster, an artificially talented roster will have to do.
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Post by Loki on Dec 12, 2007 8:35:05 GMT -5
Sometimes something that looked good on paper doesn't translate well on screen.
Or somebody who was supposed to have "it", fails to rise to the occasion, for different reasons: usually lack of charisma, poor mic skills, no connection with the crowd, poor ability to work the gimmick...
Most of the time, especially in recent times, the promoters expect a decent-to-good reaction within the first weeks/months. Those who fail to get it are most likely the ones who get canned.
And since WWE aren't really interest in the midcard if not as filler or main event fodder, moderately over wrestlers end up on Heat or are wished well
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Post by Funkyjumbo on Dec 12, 2007 9:43:55 GMT -5
Mordecai comes to mind, loads of promos, debut on a PPV, nice move set, great character with potential to fued with Taker and Kane.
Rey beats him a few weeks later on smackdown and it's off to be repackaged.
Do a complete reversal on character and costume and voila Kevin the vampire
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Post by krazysane on Dec 12, 2007 9:51:53 GMT -5
Mordecai comes to mind, loads of promos, debut on a PPV, nice move set, great character with potential to fued with Taker and Kane. Rey beats him a few weeks later on smackdown and it's off to be repackaged. Do a complete reversal on character and costume and voila Kevin the vampire And yet he gets another character reversal |
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 12, 2007 10:49:17 GMT -5
I can't agree with people when they say Sean O'Haire's gimmick was brilliant...it wasn't around long enough to be brilliant...it COULD have been, but how the heck are we suppost to know? We never will...just because something looks awesome, it doesn't always turn out that way...
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Post by Loki on Dec 12, 2007 10:50:22 GMT -5
Mordecai is actually a good example...
I suspect the original gimmick could have caused some problems (religion issues), and Thorn wasn't really impressive in the ring.
They tried again with the Vampire/Goth gimmick, but after a 2nd/3rd failure I guess it's safe to say Thorn is a disappointment.
The Undertaker could have gone down the same path, but Mark Calloway made it work better
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Dec 12, 2007 11:16:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I definitely agree with the Mordecai example. I was expecting them to do more with him, but it seemed surprisingly odd that for him to get all the build up he got, he really went nowhere fast.
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Post by Mr Captain Falcon on Dec 12, 2007 11:25:20 GMT -5
GTV had huge build and it ended up being Thrasher.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2007 12:43:26 GMT -5
I can't agree with people when they say Sean O'Haire's gimmick was brilliant...it wasn't around long enough to be brilliant...it COULD have been, but how the heck are we suppost to know? We never will...just because something looks awesome, it doesn't always turn out that way... At first, I thought O'Haire's character was much like that of Just Joe, the guy on Heat who would stir the crap up with whomever he was talking to. (Not actually a quote, but you'll get the idea.) Joe: "Hey, Chaz. You didn't hear this from me, but D'Lo says he's the one carrying the team." Chaz: "Oh he's carrying me, is he?" (Storms out of the room.) Joe sits there and smiles, that he started another argument. After a while, Joe had to actually get in the ring and face up to these guys. And lost. He lost a lot of matches. |
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Post by Thynny Fat Ass on Dec 12, 2007 18:05:56 GMT -5
Vito, The Hurricane and Paul Burchill are perfect examples of "what do we do now?"
People who write for the WWE seem to have one major fault. They're all afraid of ENDING a story. Each week, it's "what do we do now?," and if they run out of ideas that fit the gimmick, they just bury it or get rid of the guy completely.
Paul Burchill should be huge. The Boogeyman, if he had ANY story, would be huge. When the stars embrace their story and take off with it, the writers seem to run out of ideas for it.. Instead, they give up and offer someone a stuttering gimmick or an overwieght "beauty and the obese" love affair gimmick.
Tragic.
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Post by somedensefish on Dec 12, 2007 18:29:33 GMT -5
My guess, the lack of any kind of union or job security has most WWE employees constanly afraid of losing their job. So they do whatever they can to make their jobs seem more complex, more vital to the McMahons than it really is. So I mean, one writer pitches an idea, Vince and Steph "ok" it, if it fails, everybody's happy 'cause someone gets to be BLAMED for something, if it suceeds, then everybody's pissed 'cause someone gets CREDIT for something. And since pretty much all the writers are expendable, they all feel much more "secure" if they're ALL insecure. That sounds sort of wierd, but I think, with everybody SO jealous and So insecure, it breeds a will just strong enough be mediocre. Because that's really what WWE wants, everyone to be mediocre and afraid so nobody ever feels like they have any power and they just have to take whatever bones WWE throws them and be grateful they even have a job.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 12, 2007 18:45:03 GMT -5
.. and if I am, my most sincere apologies. What do you think possesses promotions like the WWE to drop the ball or give up on wrestlers they obviously put a lot of time and effort into? For example, Sean O'haire: Here we have a guy who we knew could go in the ring given his days in the WCW, I mean, he wasn't a member of the Hart family, but he wasn't exactly a Khali in terms of ineptitude, either. Not only that, they give him a brilliant gimmick that could have made him one of the most over heels for the past 10 years... only to pair him with piper and have him feuding with the midcard. Why is this? Bad attitude? Backstage politics? Or did the WWE simply believe that Sean O'haire simply didn't have what it took to make it? Any other examples? I really have no idea what they were thinking with O'haire. I thought he was one of those guys WWE were sending down to developmental just so he could really hone himself and then be a HUGE star in WWE. Hence, explaining why they kept Palumbo (his then tag partner in the WWE. Palumbo was promoted as a midcarder and was adequate for that role. However, despite the Devil advocate promos O'haire's big push never came. |
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Post by montee916 on Dec 12, 2007 23:38:07 GMT -5
The whole May 19th/Fake Kane thing they were working on. When it finally hits the ring we got, what, one match up?
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Post by Tapout on Dec 12, 2007 23:45:51 GMT -5
The long and the short of it is: things don't always work out like we might hope they do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2007 23:48:23 GMT -5
The whole May 19th/Fake Kane thing they were working on. When it finally hits the ring we got, what, one match up? The impressive thing about that was that it got okay'd to begin with. People have dumb ideas all the time, it happens. When this was suggested, it should simply have been shot down. The fact that someone thought of it and suggested it, and someone else said "That's a great idea! Lets not only do it, but give it a PPV match!" is really amazing. At least they had the sense to can it early when the fans crapped all over it. Got to hear Kane's old music a couple times, that's about the only good thing about it. |
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Post by Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black on Dec 12, 2007 23:52:05 GMT -5
I never understood why Sean O'Haire never worked out in WWE either. He seems like one of those guys that Vince salivates over. He's pretty close to hoss size and was pretty damn athletic.
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Post by Guns of the Samuri on Dec 13, 2007 0:40:40 GMT -5
The whole May 19th/Fake Kane thing they were working on. When it finally hits the ring we got, what, one match up? The impressive thing about that was that it got okay'd to begin with. People have dumb ideas all the time, it happens. When this was suggested, it should simply have been shot down. The fact that someone thought of it and suggested it, and someone else said "That's a great idea! Lets not only do it, but give it a PPV match!" is really amazing. At least they had the sense to can it early when the fans crapped all over it. Got to hear Kane's old music a couple times, that's about the only good thing about it. Am I the only one that, when seeing this, had Undertaker/Underfaker flashbacks? |
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Post by Loki on Dec 13, 2007 5:54:03 GMT -5
I liked both Undertaker/Underfaker and Kane/Fane (Phone?) angles.
Too bad both times the fake one was painful to watch in the ring...
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