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Post by BIG DUNC on Dec 12, 2007 11:23:45 GMT -5
Seriously, what was the point of that? That's pretty much killed any chance he had of ever being a credible wrestler.
IF they wanted RVD to attack him, why make it a match, they could've done that and then let him leave instead of pinning him.
All they did was make someone who'll be in ROH soon look, very strong, and their own talent very weak... or does this mean that RVD may be on the way back??
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Post by royboy8 on Dec 12, 2007 11:25:48 GMT -5
Santino isnt a tough guy and has proven he doesnt need victorys to be over at all. He's still a rookie and is being pushed perfectly. I don't see what the problem is
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 12, 2007 11:27:45 GMT -5
I think Santino is basically "Big Talk, Little Action" as he runs people down but can't follow up with actually...you know...winning.
So, having RVD show up (unexpected) and wipe the floor with him makes sense.
With his abilities on the mic, Santino can always cover for the losses and continue to be hated by the crowd, leaving the opportunity for a big "pop" whenever someone shuts him up.
The whole point, I believe was so that RVD could make a shock appearance and get a win. I liked it.
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Post by Slammywinner on Dec 12, 2007 11:28:49 GMT -5
Oh my bleeding heart! Santino will be fine. Warrior returned for no point and crushed HHH. So? It was fun. The open challenge put-up-or-shut-up angle was well told. Santino's a sneeky, cocky heel, but when confronted with a real challenge who avoids his sneaky heel ways get's knocked on his ass. They did the same sort of angles with the Rock and Stone Cold when Rocky still sucked. Besides, RVD's freak return was awesome.
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Post by emoney3265 on Dec 12, 2007 11:37:20 GMT -5
I agree that it was stupid that they basically squashed Santino. I would have been alright with it if RVD didn't hit the frog splash then taunt THEN pin him.
And who said RVD was ever going to ROH? Perhaps it was just a one shot deal and he's back home "resting" again.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 12, 2007 11:41:43 GMT -5
He'll be fine, getting beat in under 2 minutes or so doesn't mean the end of the world.
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Post by x on Dec 12, 2007 11:43:13 GMT -5
If RVD was HHH in that match there would be 7,000 hate threads about HHH burying people.
Remember when he pedigreed Londrick?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 12, 2007 11:45:50 GMT -5
If RVD was HHH in that match there would be 7,000 hate threads about HHH burying people. Remember when he pedigreed Londrick? QFT. You'd think they had Trips turn heel and become an Iraqi sympathizer denouncing America by the way some people went on that night. It's not like Londrick was massively popular to begin with.
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Post by twiggy101 on Dec 12, 2007 11:49:11 GMT -5
I don't think Santino is cut out to be a winner.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Dec 12, 2007 11:52:58 GMT -5
If anything it seemed to indicate that RVD will not be going to another promotion. I have a feeling he'll be back in WWE down the road much like Jericho.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Dec 12, 2007 13:08:12 GMT -5
If RVD was HHH in that match there would be 7,000 hate threads about HHH burying people. Remember when he pedigreed Londrick? QFT. You'd think they had Trips turn heel and become an Iraqi sympathizer denouncing America by the way some people went on that night. It's not like Londrick was massively popular to begin with. So it's okay to make a talented tag team look like a joke because the "Creative" team is inept to make the tag team division look credible? I mean London and Kendrick had a good thing going on Smackdown. They were getting TV time and they were over, then they send them to Raw to flounder and job. You can't blame those two for not being over when the booking team do not give the fans a reason to cheer for them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2007 13:20:10 GMT -5
Santino loses all the time. Santino's not working an unbeatable gimmick; he's an annoying heel who gets beat up a lot. The crowd ate it up, RVD gets a great send off if it's his last time in WWE, and it was part of a fun show.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 12, 2007 13:32:07 GMT -5
QFT. You'd think they had Trips turn heel and become an Iraqi sympathizer denouncing America by the way some people went on that night. It's not like Londrick was massively popular to begin with. So it's okay to make a talented tag team look like a joke because the "Creative" team is inept to make the tag team division look credible? I mean London and Kendrick had a good thing going on Smackdown. They were getting TV time and they were over, then they send them to Raw to flounder and job. You can't blame those two for not being over when the booking team do not give the fans a reason to cheer for them. I don't think it made them look like a joke, Trips just pedigreed them, no different when Austin did it to various faces during his run. I wasn't really high on Londrick's match even when they were on SD, it's not like they were getting huge pops, decent at best and if the pedigree by Trips supposedly "buried" them, than they weren't that over to begin with.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Dec 12, 2007 13:40:26 GMT -5
So it's okay to make a talented tag team look like a joke because the "Creative" team is inept to make the tag team division look credible? I mean London and Kendrick had a good thing going on Smackdown. They were getting TV time and they were over, then they send them to Raw to flounder and job. You can't blame those two for not being over when the booking team do not give the fans a reason to cheer for them. I don't think it made them look like a joke, Trips just pedigreed them, no different when Austin did it to various faces during his run. I wasn't really high on Londrick's match even when they were on SD, it's not like they were getting huge pops, decent at best and if the pedigree by Trips supposedly "buried" them, than they weren't that over to begin with. I never liked it when Austin did the same thing. They should be trying to build up their wrestlers, but when one of your top guys just goes around nailing their finisher randomly for no rhyme or reason, what good does that do? It certainly doesn't make the guys taking the finisher look good and it doesn't make the star any bigger especially if they are already massively over like Austin was. Triple H didn't need to Pedigree both London and Kendrick, just like Austin never needed to randomly stun D'lo Brown or Val Venis. Triple H could've done more by standing side-by-side with them as opposed to shrugging them off and lay them out. It's reasons like that for the crowds responding with apathy to just about everyone that comes out anymore.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 12, 2007 13:49:58 GMT -5
I don't think it made them look like a joke, Trips just pedigreed them, no different when Austin did it to various faces during his run. I wasn't really high on Londrick's match even when they were on SD, it's not like they were getting huge pops, decent at best and if the pedigree by Trips supposedly "buried" them, than they weren't that over to begin with. I never liked it when Austin did the same thing. They should be trying to build up their wrestlers, but when one of your top guys just goes around nailing their finisher randomly for no rhyme or reason, what good does that do? It certainly doesn't make the guys taking the finisher look good and it doesn't make the star any bigger especially if they are already massively over like Austin was. Triple H didn't need to Pedigree both London and Kendrick, just like Austin never needed to randomly stun D'lo Brown or Val Venis. Triple H could've done more by standing side-by-side with them as opposed to shrugging them off and lay them out. It's reasons like that for the crowds responding with apathy to just about everyone that comes out anymore. To each his own, I didn't mind and I liked it when they did those things. You're right, they didn't need to have him pedigree them, but it was fun to see though for some people.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 12, 2007 14:05:42 GMT -5
If Hogan had done it, we definitely wouldn't hear the end of it
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Dec 12, 2007 14:06:17 GMT -5
I never liked it when Austin did the same thing. They should be trying to build up their wrestlers, but when one of your top guys just goes around nailing their finisher randomly for no rhyme or reason, what good does that do? It certainly doesn't make the guys taking the finisher look good and it doesn't make the star any bigger especially if they are already massively over like Austin was. Triple H didn't need to Pedigree both London and Kendrick, just like Austin never needed to randomly stun D'lo Brown or Val Venis. Triple H could've done more by standing side-by-side with them as opposed to shrugging them off and lay them out. It's reasons like that for the crowds responding with apathy to just about everyone that comes out anymore. To each his own, I didn't mind and I liked it when they did those things. You're right, they didn't need to have him pedigree them, but it was fun to see though for some people. I think the tale tell sign was how little the crowd reacted to it, in fact I think some of the air in the segment was deflated when he Pedigreed them. You can't have character development when most of the characters keep getting regressed.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 12, 2007 14:10:17 GMT -5
To each his own, I didn't mind and I liked it when they did those things. You're right, they didn't need to have him pedigree them, but it was fun to see though for some people. I think the tale tell sign was how little the crowd reacted to it, in fact I think some of the air in the segment was deflated when he Pedigreed them. You can't have character development when most of the characters keep getting regressed. Perhaps, but still it's not the end of the world for them either. I know they have a lot of fans on here, but I don't really care for them. I didn't think they had much of a character to begin with.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 12, 2007 14:50:17 GMT -5
I think Santino is basically "Big Talk, Little Action" as he runs people down but can't follow up with actually...you know...winning. So, having RVD show up (unexpected) and wipe the floor with him makes sense. With his abilities on the mic, Santino can always cover for the losses and continue to be hated by the crowd, leaving the opportunity for a big "pop" whenever someone shuts him up. The whole point, I believe was so that RVD could make a shock appearance and get a win. I liked it. Sums it up for me. Not every heel is destined for the top spots. A strong undercard is very important.
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Post by EvilShadow76 on Dec 12, 2007 14:50:57 GMT -5
He is a comedy act...and a very, very cheap one at that. Would anyone seriously buy this guy (with that cheesy accent) a legit contender to anything?
Of course he's gonna lose. He's never meant to win anything big or beat well known stars. Fodder for the bigger names...that's all he is and it's all he ever will be.
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