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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 12, 2007 14:55:04 GMT -5
He is a comedy act...and a very, very cheap one at that. Would anyone seriously buy this guy (with that cheesy accent) a legit contender to anything? Of course he's gonna lose. He's never meant to win anything big or beat well known stars. Fodder for the bigger names...that's all he is and it's all he ever will be. "Ever will be" is a term not thrown about lightly, Mr. Nostradamus. I doubt people had big expectations for the wealthy son of a pig farmer and Man Mark Calloway as wrestlers, either. Anyway, heat is heat. "Cheap heat" is something that no heel could do without. I don't know if Santino would ever be champ, but he is very good at what he does: heeling up the undercard, which is exactly what he's payed to do. |
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 12, 2007 15:01:46 GMT -5
If anything it seemed to indicate that RVD will not be going to another promotion. I have a feeling he'll be back in WWE down the road much like Jericho. I'm thinking that too. He looked real cool and at ease at the signing. I think what burns guys out is the touring and the schedule. WWE seems to be willing to leave the door open for an RVD return. I think he could do the Taker/HBK schedule and be happy. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 12, 2007 15:05:15 GMT -5
If anything it seemed to indicate that RVD will not be going to another promotion. I have a feeling he'll be back in WWE down the road much like Jericho. I'm thinking that too. He looked real cool and at ease at the signing. I think what burns guys out is the touring and the schedule. WWE seems to be willing to leave the door open for an RVD return. I think he could do the Taker/HBK schedule and be happy. The implication from most sources seems to be that RVD just needed a breather, and that WWE was fine with that as long as they weren't paying him to take a vacation. |
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Dec 12, 2007 15:46:36 GMT -5
Seriously, what was the point of that? That's pretty much killed any chance he had of ever being a credible wrestler. IF they wanted RVD to attack him, why make it a match, they could've done that and then let him leave instead of pinning him. All they did was make someone who'll be in ROH soon look, very strong, and their own talent very weak... or does this mean that RVD may be on the way back?? The point is that RAW has a buffooning, catchphrase spouting clown that does the job for whomever management requires. Old wrestlers. Young wrestlers. Retired wrestlers that do color commentary and mention women's breasts a lot. Retired wrestlers that are trying to push their failing movies and sell said movie on DVD. AND COMING SOON: Retired wrestlers that are promoting a TV show called "American Gladiators". Once Hogan gets through with Khali, it seems like the natural move to throw him Santino. Make that money, Tony. Make that money. I am NOT mad at you. |
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 12, 2007 17:03:17 GMT -5
Santino has tried to steal Orton's Legend Killer gimmick but he hasn't quite had the success Randy had.
He's basically a reverse legend killer, how can you not love that (TNA would)?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2007 17:06:43 GMT -5
He is a comedy act...and a very, very cheap one at that. Would anyone seriously buy this guy (with that cheesy accent) a legit contender to anything? Of course he's gonna lose. He's never meant to win anything big or beat well known stars. Fodder for the bigger names...that's all he is and it's all he ever will be. "Ever will be" is a term not thrown about lightly, Mr. Nostradamus. I doubt people had big expectations for the wealthy son of a pig farmer and Man Mark Calloway as wrestlers, either. Anyway, heat is heat. "Cheap heat" is something that no heel could do without. I don't know if Santino would ever be champ, but he is very good at what he does: heeling up the undercard, which is exactly what he's payed to do. The *only* thing that sucked about that match is Santino didn't get nearly enough microphone time. The match itself, fine. My god, Santino sold that kick to the head beautifully, like he was "cartoon style" knocked out on his feet, falling over like a tipped 2x4. Santino does what he is asked and does it to the best of his ability, and it shows. As far as I'm concerned, he has the right attitude and he does have the latent skill in him - a look at his OVW work will tell you that much. If they work him right, it's only a matter of time before he'll have you thinking of Piper in his prime, or at the very least, Bobby Heenan, which is just fine in my books too. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 12, 2007 18:57:09 GMT -5
I loved the segment with RVD's return. Santino can always say he was blindsided and wasn't ready so it doesn't hurt him all that much. If anyone was hurt by that match it would be Chris Jericho. Bear in mind Jericho struggled for about 10 mins. with Marella in his first match back and RVD came in and beat Santino in about 30 seconds.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2007 19:33:36 GMT -5
Santino has tried to steal Orton's Legend Killer gimmick but he hasn't quite had the success Randy had. He's basically a reverse legend killer, how can you not love that (TNA would)? Brilliant! Instead of "The Legend Killer" Randy Orton, he's Santino "The Kingmaker" Marella! |
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Post by samachine on Dec 12, 2007 19:35:12 GMT -5
..SANTINO IS SUPPOSED TO BE A CREDIBLE CONTENDER?!
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Post by Loki on Dec 12, 2007 19:42:15 GMT -5
Put HHH or Hogan in place of RVD, and this board would have exploded...
Santino may not be a winner, but even as a "trash talker who can't back up his words" the squash was stupid and unnecessary.
Honky Tonk Man was the best in that role, but despite his [kayfabe] inability to wrestle, he was IC champ for a long time, and got squashed only ONCE, by Warrior, and he never recovered from that.
Santino has been used as training puppet for Umaga, Austin, Jericho and now even RVD... I don't think it's the right way to build up a guy. Even if he's just comedy coward heel.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 12, 2007 19:42:50 GMT -5
Wow. I can't believe how seriously people take things.
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Post by Dean-o on Dec 12, 2007 19:53:09 GMT -5
Honestly, after 2 straight loses to Jerry 'Stupid' Lawler, does losing to RVD really matter?
Still, if this was Triple H, we wouldn't hear the end of it for WEEKS. Not really fair, is it?
Regardless, this won't hurt Santino in the least, cause he is still gold on the mic, and can still gather tons of heat.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Dec 12, 2007 19:56:14 GMT -5
Wow. I can't believe how seriously people take things. I am promoting a new sports drink called "Jaded" it's for the everyday person in their life. It invigorates and revivifies by reducing surprise at the banality, stupidity, inanity, and just human behavior in general. Would you like some? |
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Post by Loki on Dec 12, 2007 20:05:25 GMT -5
Wow. I can't believe how seriously people take things. The point is the horrible double standards. * Hogan defeats HBK/Orton: blaaargh he's retired, he'd job to active wrestlers * HHH pedigrees Booker T and then crawls to cover him for the pinfall: arrrgghhhh he took two hours to pin Booker! * RVD makes a surprise appearence and squashes Santino in two moves, showboating between the frogsplash and the pinfall: OMG that was teh awezome!1!!! I don't care if Santino is just comedy relief, or a stepping stone... that was a stupid and unnecessary booking. |
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 12, 2007 20:18:46 GMT -5
Wow. I can't believe how seriously people take things. The point is the horrible double standards. * Hogan defeats HBK/Orton: blaaargh he's retired, he'd job to active wrestlers * HHH pedigrees Booker T and then crawls to cover him for the pinfall: arrrgghhhh he took two hours to pin Booker! * RVD makes a surprise appearence and squashes Santino in two moves, showboating between the frogsplash and the pinfall: OMG that was teh awezome!1!!! I don't care if Santino is just comedy relief, or a stepping stone... that was a stupid and unnecessary booking. You know, my opinion about this isn't from favortism. Anyone who has seen the conversations about "RVD and Dropping the Ball" know that, so please don't "blanket statement" people. I didn't mind Hogan beating Michaels or Orton, but some people feel that Hogan is too old to be in the ring pinning people (Although, I still don't understand the problem with Hogan beating Michaels. I really don't.) HHH pinning Booker was at Wrestlemania. The Biggest Show of the Year. Not a throw away show. The BIGGEST. And it ended with such a flat feeling that some people still have the bad taste of it in their mouths. RVD's appearance was a surprise return on a special edition of Raw. As much as I appreciate you putting Santino in the same league of Orton, Michaels, and Booker T, I'd say he's not quite at that level yet and has plenty of time to be developed into a star. One quick loss to a man who was WWE and ECW champion at the same time isn't that bad. At least, not in my eyes. It can be disregarded with a simple "He suckerpunched me" from Santino as he rants again. |
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Post by JMA on Dec 12, 2007 20:55:17 GMT -5
RVD is a former WWE Champion. Santino is a Memphis heel. That match ended the way it should've.
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Post by JMA on Dec 12, 2007 20:58:34 GMT -5
Still, if this was Triple H, we wouldn't hear the end of it for WEEKS. Not really fair, is it? Has RVD ever intentionally buried anyone? Not that I can recall. It's not the same thing (not even in the same ballpark), and I doubt RVD had that much say in the match anyway. |
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 12, 2007 22:23:51 GMT -5
The point is that RAW has a buffooning, catchphrase spouting clown that does the job for whomever management requires. What does Jericho have to do with any of this?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2007 23:04:28 GMT -5
RVD is a former WWE Champion. Santino is a Memphis heel You mean, "Memphoos heel", right? |
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Dec 12, 2007 23:13:40 GMT -5
Another distinction to make is that the questionable wins (playing devil's advocate here) by HHH and Hogan were at WrestleMania and SummerSlam, but the RVD win was over a jobber on free television.
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