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Post by Original Gansta - Charisma on Dec 25, 2007 11:58:48 GMT -5
I just don't understand why the WWE is taking such a strong political viewpoint that in all likely hood is so extremely distant from it's main demographics beliefs. Personally I felt like I was watching a cross between some Jesus channel and the most intense moments of Fox News, except with muscled out guys doing a half-assed show. They were trying to get a political view point across and having their public entities verbally service an extremely controversial thing. Considering that the main audience of the WWE is probably 12 to 25 year old males, basically that was a pro-military commercial for two hours. Better advertising than any of those ridiculous join the military to help people commercials. And considering the massive divide in this country over politics and ideology, I don't know why the WWE would want to go so extreme with their white bread flag waving propaganda bullshit. I'm watching wrestling for a creative outlet, not for two hour propaganda session. My opinion but for right now f*** the WWE. I don't want to turn this thread political but that's bound to be where we head with this, so a mod can close it at anytime.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 25, 2007 12:17:27 GMT -5
You didn't watch in two years and this was the Raw you tuned in to? Really, had you been there 2 weeks earlier you would have seen an entirely different show.
People have tributes to the troops all the time, even those that don't agree with the war. Yes, it was a tribute show. They do one every 52 weeks. A great 2% of Raw all year is this show (and less than 1% of all WWE shows). If you didn't like it because of the show itself, it's one thing, not liking it because they do one show a year for them is rather silly to me. Yeah, it is propaganda, but they didn't make any attempt to make it anything else. You know they're going to play to the troops any time they do a tribute to them, so to be upset by it is rather silly.
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Post by tap on Dec 25, 2007 12:41:16 GMT -5
Especially when you look at the historical record. Hassan, La Resistance, the Un-Americans, Yokozuna, Sgt. Slaughter 1990-91, Kamala, the Iron Sheik, to expect anything less than nationalistic or propagandistic rhetoric is kinda short-sighted. Wrestling has always played to these forms, so I'd be more surprised if it were to change especially for something like a tribute show, which, by the way, I have always enjoyed because it's just a bunch of matches for the troops' enjoyment, not to drive up a buyrate or ratings.
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Post by threev on Dec 25, 2007 13:26:37 GMT -5
The WWE is a company who's leadership is very supportive of the Republican party and the Conservative ideal. They usually differentiate for this, but on the night like this when their show is taped, and they are in Iraq, their belief system is something the fan base has to swallow, regardless or not of whether or not they like it.
Fortunately for WWE (though in my opinion incorrectly), a large part of the WWE fan base makes up what is a very rare breed in this country: Young conservatives.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Dec 25, 2007 13:28:55 GMT -5
What the hell is going on in WWE?
They've moved on. Maybe you - and we - all should too.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 25, 2007 13:31:26 GMT -5
What the hell is going on in WWE? They've moved on. Maybe you - and we - all should too. Winner.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Dec 25, 2007 13:31:41 GMT -5
Yeah, it was a pretty dull affair. But the sentiment was spot on. It's a Tribute show pre-recorded days before and is there solely for the troops. Regardless of what a lot of people think about Vince, I will always consider that show a tremendous gesture to the troops and Vince and the whole crew should be commended for doing it.
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Post by azz0r on Dec 25, 2007 14:35:23 GMT -5
I wonder if commentary was recorded after it was taped...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2007 15:20:10 GMT -5
Really, the point of the show isn't to entertain fans of the WWE. It's to entartain the troops. And I give the company props for doing so.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Dec 25, 2007 15:25:34 GMT -5
i understand that its a tribute to the troops but if theyre going to make it as raw for the week and show it to us all then they shouldnt treat it like a house show and should keep in mind those of us watching who dont get a warm fuzzy feeling inside from a diluded sense of 'patriotism' and at least give us something entertaining inbetween the conservative propoganda
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 25, 2007 15:32:47 GMT -5
I saw 5 minutes and I knew this was gonna be an episode made to appeal to the absolute widest audience possible. the troops don't have a chance to see Raw all the time, so they gave them the most mainstream entertainment they could provide
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Post by SassovsHart on Dec 25, 2007 15:41:18 GMT -5
I wonder if commentary was recorded after it was taped... It was, Cole said at the beginning of the broadcast that he and Lawler were calling the action from WWE HQ in Stamford.
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Post by derekd on Dec 25, 2007 16:05:54 GMT -5
I wonder if commentary was recorded after it was taped... It was, Cole said at the beginning of the broadcast that he and Lawler were calling the action from WWE HQ in Stamford. Plus, you gotta consider how they referenced things that had occurred after the Tribute was taped (ie, Armageddon). And for the OP, WWE programming is on hiatus this week, for good reason. I'm sure, as much as Vinnie Mac loves his company, he knows that everyone has better places to be from 8-10 PM on Christmas Eve. Shouldn't you? As for the show itself, everyone involved in the production willingly went to a very dangerous place for the sake of, even for a few hours, helping to brighten the lives of men and women who put their lives on the line every day. Regardless of the cause, that is an amazing thing, and should be applauded. What would you have them do while they are there? Trash the efforts of all the people they are there to entertain? Sure, it would be a hell of a way to draw heat, but that's not why they are there. The WWE knows nobody watches the show, that's why they put it on the night when they know people will already have better things to do. Well, most everyone. So yeah, to echo everyone, this was not the week to be judging them on- they've actually been pretty good recently, so tune in another time. And save your curse words for a cause less noble than this.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 25, 2007 16:11:41 GMT -5
I watched tonight and I've watched every one they've done. As a vet I appreciate what they do each year. Unless you've served you just can't understand what it's like to decide to take that oath. And I support anyone who supports my Brothers and sisters who serve. It has nothing to do with the war or the current administration whom I oppose as strongly as I support those young men and women who serve. I'm willing to give up one night of wrestling a year so they can forget where they are for a few hours. As a fellow vet, I agree with everything this man says. I think it's absolutely great that the WWE does these shows every year, and I hope it continues for as long as my Brothers and Sisters are over there. EDIT - I'm not a mod, But please folks let's not turn this into a political discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2007 16:35:09 GMT -5
Whether you agree with the war or not, I think everyone can agree that what WWE do every year is amazing. For the company to go into a war zone like Iraq, spend time with the troops and put on a show for them is one hell of a gesture.
Plus, from a personal standpoint, it's nice to see something a little different. You could see that the wrestlers and troops were having a great time and I liked seeing that.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Dec 25, 2007 16:51:11 GMT -5
I watched tonight and I've watched every one they've done. As a vet I appreciate what they do each year. Unless you've served you just can't understand what it's like to decide to take that oath. And I support anyone who supports my Brothers and sisters who serve. It has nothing to do with the war or the current administration whom I oppose as strongly as I support those young men and women who serve. I'm willing to give up one night of wrestling a year so they can forget where they are for a few hours. As a fellow vet, I agree with everything this man says. I think it's absolutely great that the WWE does these shows every year, and I hope it continues for as long as my Brothers and Sisters are over there. EDIT - I'm not a mod, But please folks let's not turn this into a political discussion. He's right... he's not a mod.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 25, 2007 16:59:10 GMT -5
As a fellow vet, I agree with everything this man says. I think it's absolutely great that the WWE does these shows every year, and I hope it continues for as long as my Brothers and Sisters are over there. EDIT - I'm not a mod, But please folks let's not turn this into a political discussion. He's right... he's not a mod. He's right... I'm not a mod. I was just trying to make a point.
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Post by eJm on Dec 25, 2007 17:00:26 GMT -5
He's right... he's not a mod. He's right... I'm not a mod. I was just trying to make a point. They're both right. About Something.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Dec 25, 2007 17:26:27 GMT -5
That's pretty much all it is, really, is a glorified USO show. Not the place for continuity, just lifting the morale of whoever's there. Just so long as they keep it apolitical.
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Post by Loki on Dec 25, 2007 18:59:50 GMT -5
Why has EVERYTHING remotely positive about the troops to be turned into "crappy propaganda"?
WWE are paying tribute to the thousands of Americans (and not just Americans) who're risking their life on a daily basis. Sure, it's a soldier's job, but in the end they have more to lose (their life) than to gain ('cept maybe a bit of money) out of a year in Iraq or Afghanistan.
The E have no real obligation to fly over there with gear and people worth many millions of bucks, but they do that anyway. And that's awesome IMO.
About the whole "WWE are filthy conservatives pushing their ideals on the audience" crap, well... I bet political parties have better propaganda channels than pro-wrestling. And let's not forget wrestling is a tiny spot on the huge map of American Entertainment.
Movie directors and stars have MUCH more leverage than Vince... and Hollywood isn't exactly pro-war as far as I can remember.
Pro Wrestling has ALWAYS been very stereotypical and "pro-American" because the average wrestling fan is/was indeed like that. And because cheering Duggan and booing Sheik is easier and more "relaxing" than elucubrating on Muhammed Hassan's theory about discrimination toward Arab-Americans. Wrestling in supposed to be FUN and ENTERTAINMENT, not a f'n political debate.
So I feel the whole rant against WWE's alledged Right Wing agenda is dubious and silly to say the least.
And in the end, if somebody actually votes X or Y candidate because he made up his mind watching WWE, well, your country is doomed!
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