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Post by Powder/The Professor on Aug 8, 2007 5:08:32 GMT -5
Lately, in my opinion its Triple H and John Cena, obviously John but for the most part Triple H hasnt done anything new (persona/moves) in 4 or 5 years. Oh, great he introduced a sledgehammer into his schtick but thats not exactly a selling point on me believing the guy can actually work. Also, I'd like to nominate Batista and Jeff Jarrett. Batista, seemingly cant do anything but a spinebuster and a powerbomb and Jarrett, well 1993 called and they want their moveset back.
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Post by brackus on Aug 8, 2007 5:13:23 GMT -5
Neidhart overrated? Well, I don´t think that he had many fans at all!
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Post by ddt on Aug 8, 2007 6:38:38 GMT -5
Steve Austin, The Schmuck (Dwayne Johnson), John Cena, Diamond Dallas Page, Lex Luger, Buff Bagwell, Ahmed Johnson, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Sid Vicious, Ric Flair, the Dudley Boys, Shawn Waltman, Hulk Hogan.
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Post by NIXON on Aug 8, 2007 7:31:07 GMT -5
Steve Austin, The Schmuck (Dwayne Johnson), John Cena, Diamond Dallas Page, Lex Luger, Buff Bagwell, Ahmed Johnson, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Sid Vicious, Ric Flair, the Dudley Boys, Shawn Waltman, Hulk Hogan. HAHAHAHAHAHA WTF!? Yeah, I ALWAYS see people praising Luger, Bagwell and Ahmed for their in ring abilities... Sting is my choice. Never got it, never will. He is the definition of mediocre IMO and I will never understand the love people have for him.
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Post by skiller on Aug 8, 2007 8:45:21 GMT -5
IMO Bryan Danielson.
He's very, very, very good. But some people would have you believe he's some sort of demi-god with all the praise he gets. He's not perfect, I'm sure he's had some stinkers himself.
Keep in mind, I really like him.
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Post by ddt on Aug 8, 2007 8:48:31 GMT -5
Steve Austin, The Schmuck (Dwayne Johnson), John Cena, Diamond Dallas Page, Lex Luger, Buff Bagwell, Ahmed Johnson, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Sid Vicious, Ric Flair, the Dudley Boys, Shawn Waltman, Hulk Hogan. Oh, yeah -- and Ed Leslie, too!
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Post by Shane Leroy Matthews on Aug 8, 2007 9:00:22 GMT -5
I'm gonna say it ...... Dennis Stamp
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Post by Styx Cover Band on Aug 8, 2007 9:12:35 GMT -5
IMO Bryan Danielson. He's very, very, very good. But some people would have you believe he's some sort of demi-god with all the praise he gets. He's not perfect, I'm sure he's had some stinkers himself. Keep in mind, I really like him. I've only seen one stinker from Dragon and that's when he wrestled Cena on (i think it was) Heat a few years ago. But in all seriousness, you make a good point about people (mostly on the roh board) making him out to be some sort of wrestling god. I know he is probably the best wrestler in any US fed right now (possibly the world) but some people take this their love for him to a whole different level. And for the guy who said CM Punk is overrated watch the CM Punk/Chris Hero fued from IWA-MS cira '01 to '03. It was phenomenal
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Post by KEJB on Aug 8, 2007 9:37:52 GMT -5
John Cena is not over-rated on the IWC. He is hugely under-rated. He has put on some awesome matches in the last year with guys like Edge, HBK, Nitro (Cena's match with Nitro was better than any Punk/Morrison lock up.) and Umaga. He without a doubt is the biggest draw in wrestling right now. Sure the way he is booked is terrible, but in no way does that make him over-rated.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 8, 2007 9:46:34 GMT -5
To me it's like Dynamite Kid. Dynamite was never the World champ but he is still recognized by many as the best wrestler of all time. Owen is definitely not on his level but he's in the same boat as Dynamite, he's a legend because of his style & great matches. Alright, well answer me this. If he stayed alive, would he be a World Champ? Maybe that's my biggest beef. Everyone b****es and says he woulda been a world champ, and I just never saw that. I'll say something, and if you don't recognize the truth in this, you have little credibility. Who, a year or two before it happened, would've thought BRADSHAW was going to end up the biggest heel in the company with an almost year long title reign?!
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Post by Old School Heel mark4Morishima on Aug 8, 2007 10:12:05 GMT -5
I got two.
Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart.
You say one's overrated, people assume you're a mark for the other, but the fact is they both aren't nearly as good as they're supposed to be.
Tkae Bret Hart. "Greatest technical wrestler." I'm not so sure about that. Call me extra old-school, but for me technical wrestling starts and stops at chain wrestling. And Bret's wasn't nearly as good was the guys who came up through Britain. Ditto for all the other Hart-trained wrestlers, included he who shall not be named.
Furthermore, the way Bret put matches together was IMHO hackneyed. He gave Flair heat for doing the same match every night. Which is bascially true. But Flair had a basic adaptable routine that he'd custom-craft to the night and venue and (a little bit) to his opponent. One long narrative that varied in its details.
Hart, on the other hand, never wrestled the same match twice. But he'd build matches out of a basic set of building blocks. The last one would be his five moves of doom comeback, and the ones in between would be some assortment of rehearsed "bits" put together in one order or another. To my taste, Hart never wrestled a match. He wrestled a concatenation of 3 or 10 small pre-rehearsed matches that seldom flushed together well to tell a story.
I've already written a lot, so I'll save my heat on Michaels for later. But suffice it to say that both have this uber-technician reputation that doesn't hold up under scrutiny. And they both presided over the down years of the WWF in the early 90's which ought to count for something against them.
So if someone asks you who do you like better, Hart or Michaels, your answer should be "NO."
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Post by ddt on Aug 8, 2007 10:14:06 GMT -5
Michael Hickenbottom.
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Post by The OP on Aug 8, 2007 10:16:44 GMT -5
I got two. Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart. You say one's overrated, people assume you're a mark for the other, but the fact is they both aren't nearly as good as they're supposed to be. Tkae Bret Hart. "Greatest technical wrestler." I'm not so sure about that. Call me extra old-school, but for me technical wrestling starts and stops at chain wrestling. And Bret's wasn't nearly as good was the guys who came up through Britain. Ditto for all the other Hart-trained wrestlers, included he who shall not be named. Furthermore, the way Bret put matches together was IMHO hackneyed. He gave Flair heat for doing the same match every night. Which is bascially true. But Flair had a basic adaptable routine that he'd custom-craft to the night and venue and (a little bit) to his opponent. One long narrative that varied in its details. Hart, on the other hand, never wrestled the same match twice. But he'd build matches out of a basic set of building blocks. The last one would be his five moves of doom comeback, and the ones in between would be some assortment of rehearsed "bits" put together in one order or another. To my taste, Hart never wrestled a match. He wrestled a concatenation of 3 or 10 small pre-rehearsed matches that seldom flushed together well to tell a story. I've already written a lot, so I'll save my heat on Michaels for later. But suffice it to say that both have this uber-technician reputation that doesn't hold up under scrutiny. And they both presided over the down years of the WWF in the early 90's which ought to count for something against them. So if someone asks you who do you like better, Hart or Michaels, your answer should be "NO." See, what people who criticize Hart like this often conveniently overlook, is that his matches often did not end with the Sharpshooter. It wasn't too uncommon for them to end with Hart pulling out some kind of unexpected roll up pin, for instance. Sure, it's easy to look back now and nitpick and find some sameness in his matches, but his title defenses were a hell of a lot less predictable than Hogan's, which always ended with a hulk up, followed by a leg drop.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 8, 2007 10:23:20 GMT -5
Bret is a bit overrated. He was great, but he wasn't God.
Mick is overrated for his deathmatch image, and underrated as far as his wrestling ability goes.
Andre was hugely overrated by the end of his career, understandably.
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Post by Cibernético II on Aug 8, 2007 10:29:07 GMT -5
I'm gonna say it ...... Dennis Stamp WHAT?! HOw dare you sir! He would have been the next Ric Flair... if he were only BOOKED!
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Post by ddt on Aug 8, 2007 10:35:35 GMT -5
I'm gonna say it ...... Dennis Stamp WHAT?! HOw dare you sir! He would have been the next Ric Flair... if he were only BOOKED! Hey, his phone could ring tomorrow!
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 8, 2007 10:43:19 GMT -5
I got two. Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart. You say one's overrated, people assume you're a mark for the other, but the fact is they both aren't nearly as good as they're supposed to be. Tkae Bret Hart. "Greatest technical wrestler." I'm not so sure about that. Call me extra old-school, but for me technical wrestling starts and stops at chain wrestling. And Bret's wasn't nearly as good was the guys who came up through Britain. Ditto for all the other Hart-trained wrestlers, included he who shall not be named. Furthermore, the way Bret put matches together was IMHO hackneyed. He gave Flair heat for doing the same match every night. Which is bascially true. But Flair had a basic adaptable routine that he'd custom-craft to the night and venue and (a little bit) to his opponent. One long narrative that varied in its details. Hart, on the other hand, never wrestled the same match twice. But he'd build matches out of a basic set of building blocks. The last one would be his five moves of doom comeback, and the ones in between would be some assortment of rehearsed "bits" put together in one order or another. To my taste, Hart never wrestled a match. He wrestled a concatenation of 3 or 10 small pre-rehearsed matches that seldom flushed together well to tell a story. I've already written a lot, so I'll save my heat on Michaels for later. But suffice it to say that both have this uber-technician reputation that doesn't hold up under scrutiny. And they both presided over the down years of the WWF in the early 90's which ought to count for something against them. So if someone asks you who do you like better, Hart or Michaels, your answer should be "NO." See, what people who criticize Hart like this often conveniently overlook, is that his matches often did not end with the Sharpshooter. It wasn't too uncommon for them to end with Hart pulling out some kind of unexpected roll up pin, for instance. Sure, it's easy to look back now and nitpick and find some sameness in his matches, but his title defenses were a hell of a lot less predictable than Hogan's, which always ended with a hulk up, followed by a leg drop. I'm not disagreeing with your post, just disagreeing Bret Hart in general (re: Flair). I guarantee that Bret Hart ended more matches with the Sharpshooter in a five-year span than Ric Flair ended with the Figure Four over 30+ years. When Flair called a match, he took the crowd on a ride. When Hart called a match, he took the crowd on a tour towards "Generic Bret Match #....) And Bret was 1,000X the champion as Hogan as far as title matches.
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Post by leemir on Aug 8, 2007 10:51:17 GMT -5
WHAT?! HOw dare you sir! He would have been the next Ric Flair... if he were only BOOKED! Hey, his phone could ring tomorrow! He wouldn't accept unless he was main event anyway.
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Post by ddt on Aug 8, 2007 11:00:45 GMT -5
Hey, his phone could ring tomorrow! He wouldn't accept unless he was main event anyway. But OF COURSE the phone call would be for a main event booking. It's DENNIS STAMP, man! Back to the forum question at hand: Jim Duggan.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 8, 2007 11:15:33 GMT -5
The Schmuck (Dwayne Johnson), Crowd involvment>chain wrestling sequence.
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