What defines mark and smark to you?

[Clash, Never a Meter Maid]

Just curious.

Since it's common knowledge by practically everyone that wrestling is fixed, my definition of "mark" is someone who watches primarily to see their favorites win/triumph, and my definition of "smark" is someone who watches to see the best overall show possible (for whatever aspect).

[Super Nimieboo]

mark- casual WWE viewers who know nothing about the backgrounds WWE doesn't tell them about.

smark-Someone who does independent research on wrestlers and different types of wrestling .

idunno. .. a mark is a blind type of fan and a smark is a conscious type of fan.
Believe it or not most of the people on this board who don't consider themselves smarks are actually smarks IMHO

[Limey]

Chris Jericho said it best;

A Mark is someone who has never seen the Dynamite Kid wrestle.

A Smark is someone who has also never seen the Dynamite Kid wrestle, but thinks he is the greatest most entertaining wrestler to ever set foot in the ring.

Citation needed. This article is up for deletion. Last update: right now.

[hutter]

Smarks are just marks with a little more knowledge of the behind the scenes jazz, that's all. As long as we buy the dvd's, attend the shows, etc then we're all marks.

[Super Nimieboo]

Wrestlers usually hate smarks, tho so that's biased.

[JMA]

rastabilly said:

Wrestlers usually hate smarks, tho so that's biased.

Because they're harder to work. And yet, ironically, I bet many wrestlers used to be smarks.

[lisajennifer]

A mark is someone who whines and complains and watches just for their own interests rather than being mature and having a broad view of what the mass target audience of the particular federation would like to see.

[Super Nimieboo]

jma said:

rastabilly said:

Wrestlers usually hate smarks, tho so that's biased.

Because they're harder to work. And yet, ironically, I bet many wrestlers used to be smarks.

Also, I think it's because the most vocal smarks are arrogant and think they know everything about the business, how it should go and what's right in the business/what's wrong in the business just from being on the internet. And that would rub me the wrong way if I actually were a wrestler.

[Super Nimieboo]

lisajennifer said:

A mark is someone who whines and complains and watches just for their own interests rather than being mature and having a broad view of what the mass target audience of the particular federation would like to see.

Sometimes I think that's what a smark is.

[maxx420]

rastabilly said:

most of the people on this board who don't consider themselves smarks are actually smarks

That is FACT not opinion, love.
I'm sick of the whole "Go & jerk off to your ROH DVDs, smark!"-type comments I've seen on here from a few idiots (mostly banned now, I might add).

A smark, to me, is a guy or girl that knows wrestling is pre-determined & all.
A mark is best summed up by that fan interviewed in "Wrestling with Shadows":
Interviewer: Sir, why do you hate Canada?
Fan: Because they started this whole thing! They said they hate us &... blah de blah de blah... or whatever he said...
That guy's a mark!

[lisajennifer]

rastabilly said:

lisajennifer said:

A mark is someone who whines and complains and watches just for their own interests rather than being mature and having a broad view of what the mass target audience of the particular federation would like to see.

Sometimes I think that's what a smark is.

In general, it seems that the only difference between a mark and a smark is the backstage news and information. I do consider myself a smark, but I don't find myself to be a typical smark, I actually understand why some companies don't give me the product that moi wants. Well, usually I do. When someone keeps giving BJ Whitmer storyline after storyline or keeps pussy-footing around with Samoa Joe being a main eventer or thinks that using mock testimonials is funny, then I don't see how that will make any positive contributions to the bottom line. But something silly like Hornswoggle being Vinnie Mac's son, that's comedy that will appeal to marks, in particular children. That's EASY money.

[Turd Ferguson]

That's easy.

Mark is Undertaker's real name.

Smark is just Undertaker's name with an S in front of it.

[maxx420]

lisajennifer said:

vagina-footing around with Samoa Joe being a main eventer.

I love how the filters took something non-dirty & MADE it dirty

[Super Nimieboo]

lisajennifer said:

rastabilly said:

Sometimes I think that's what a smark is.

In general, it seems that the only difference between a mark and a smark is the backstage news and information. I do consider myself a smark, but I don't find myself to be a typical smark, I actually understand why some companies don't give me the product that moi wants. Well, usually I do. When someone keeps giving BJ Whitmer storyline after storyline or keeps vagina-footing around with Samoa Joe being a main eventer or thinks that using mock testimonials is funny, then I don't see how that will make any positive contributions to the bottom line. But something silly like Hornswoggle being Vinnie Mac's son, that's comedy that will appeal to marks, in particular children. That's EASY money.

I agree. It is a very thin line indeed. I understand the divas-concept to a frightening degree but I will never like it because at the same time I know the true backgrounds of the wrestlers. It really begins to get abstract around that sort of grey area.

[JMA]

Here are my definitions:

Mark (Big M): Anyone who is a fan of wrestling.

mark (Small M): A fan of wrestling who has no idea or desire to learn what goes on backstage. They live in the moment and don't look too deeply into things.

smark (smart mark): A fan of wrestling who knows (or has an idea) of what goes on backstage and uses "insider' terms like heat, workrate, heels, faces, ect al. Contrary to popular belief, smarks don't all like the same wrestlers or type of wrestling (many have diverse tastes). Basically, if one posts on wrestling message boards and uses terms like heat, workrate, ect al, then that person would be a smark. Often there will be "maverick" smarks who hold unpopular opinions, yet they are to be distinguised from anti-smarks, who have a vested interest in converting others to their way of thinking. In other words, these smarks are different while anti-smarks merely want to be perceived as different.

anti-smark (AKA "self-hating smark"): A smark who, while still using insider terms, bashes other smarks. Often they'll use terms like "blind smarks," "sheep," and other uncreative and overused ad hominems. Their reasons for doing this are not all the same, however. Some of them do it to relieve cognitive dissonance (i.e. they want to explain away popular opinions that clash with their own), while others just want to stand-out or be seen as special.

IWC (Internet Wrestling Community): Smarks who discuss wrestling on the Internet. That's it. Very simple definition.

smark bait: A term invented by myself, JMA. It was first used in the case of the alleged heat between CM Punk and Arn Anderson. Smark bait refers to exaggerated or outright false wrestling news designed solely to rile up smarks. Smark bait is more common on small, untrustworthy websites, though sometimes it can come from the bigger ones. Unfortunately, the term has come to be used to relieve cognitive dissonance for fans who don't want to accept facts about wrestlers they like. Additionally, due to overuse, it has become something of cliché (which is common for popular memes).

insider: One who is in or has contacts in the wrestling business. An insider can be someone like a Dave Meltzer, to a wrestler, to a promoter, or even a writer.

[Mozenrath]

limey said:

Chris Jericho said it best;

A Mark is someone who has never seen the Dynamite Kid wrestle.

A Smark is someone who has also never seen the Dynamite Kid wrestle, but thinks he is the greatest most entertaining wrestler to ever set foot in the ring.

Citation needed. This article is up for deletion. Last update: right now.

Hilarious.

I've seen Dynamite Kid wrestle, and he was great, but I preferred Tiger Mask in the encounters.

[Limey]

maxx420 said:

lisajennifer said:

vagina-footing around with Samoa Joe being a main eventer.

I love how the filters took something non-dirty & MADE it dirty

Off-topic for just a sec...

vagina Willow.

Faster, vagina cat, KILL KILL.

Yep, thought so.

Anyways.

ON-Topic.

A Smark is someone who does go out of their way to look more mature than marks, I see that. The only problem being that sometimes they end up on the same line of maturity of the marks.


Example, an immature mark might say;

"Lance Storm iz teh b0ring! He sucks, lololololol."

An immature smark might say;

"Cena suxx b-coz he hazz teh NUKULAR HEATZZZZZZZ!!!!! lololololololololol"

So, basically, in some cases there are no differences between the attitudes of marks and smarks. It depends on the person, IMHO. Every group will have members they aren't proud of. That's a fact of life.

[erisi236]

Smark ~ Knows what "booking" is.

[Joekishi]

We're all still marks. There's no denying that even if there are few of us wrestling they too are marks.

Seriously smarks just sounds insulting

[Nice Guy Cody]

Do you know wrestling's not 'legit' competition, that it's more performance for entertainment and to make money?
Then you're a smark/"smart mark".

Do you connect to the internet in order to discuss wrestling with other people on message boards or chatrooms? Are you reading this right now?
Then you're part of the 'IWC'.

Are you under the misconception that everybody who shares a different opinion than you pertaining to any aspect of wrestling is part of some secret society of like-minded people who share the exact same opinions and tastes, and exist solely to ruin your life? Do you incessantly b**** and moan about how this imaginary group does nothing but b**** and moan? Do you attempt to validate yourself by 'one-upping' said imaginary group of people with "straw man" arguments?
Then you need a hobby.