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Post by Styx Cover Band on Sept 19, 2007 13:11:49 GMT -5
I just can't bring myself to watch poorly produced wrestling shows with guys in black trunks who I can't tell apart. I hear people say this about Indie wrestling all the time, but I don't understand it. Poorly produced meaning the lack of flashing lights and pyro? The lack of a picture in picture reply?
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Sept 19, 2007 13:12:40 GMT -5
...its more about whats going on in the ring than who is in the ring. And I kinda don't like that. I need to like a guy going in before a match can invoke any emotion out of me. I'm sorry, but I do not get entertained by submissions and the occasional spot, unless the guys in it feel real to me. Can't really explain it, but to me, the talent is more important than the sport. It's like watching football without a favorite team. Yeah, you can do it, but it's not as fun. Most of your conceptions about ROH are, quite frankly, dead wrong. And the only answer to your concerns is to go to a show so you can a. see what I mean (seriously...you're acting like matches are thrown together and there's no story when you couldn't be further from the truth) and b. start liking individual talent so you can be more entertained by it.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Sept 19, 2007 13:21:27 GMT -5
go to a show and keep an open mind. you will have fun. if not, then dont go to a show again. simple and easy.
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Post by Shy Guy on Sept 19, 2007 13:25:30 GMT -5
if you're bashing the product before you've seen a show personally, then you probably shouldn't go.
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Post by Arturo Classico on Sept 19, 2007 13:26:43 GMT -5
One thing can sell you on ROH and that is......
Age of the Fall.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Sept 19, 2007 13:28:29 GMT -5
Again, why should I care for someone named BJ Whitamer or Claudio Castaravoli or whatever? Coming in new, these guys have no face value to me. Well if you can't enjoy Claudio, I don't know what to suggest. His name is pretty different, he has a solid, different personality. He's a top quality wrestler too. So if you can't get behind him I dunno who to suggest.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Sept 19, 2007 13:29:05 GMT -5
One thing can sell you on ROH and that is...... Age of the Fall. dont think thats gonna help alot, hoss. i'm still saying. try it, you'll have fun. just dont go to a show if you've already decided it sucks
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Post by BlackHoleMark on Sept 19, 2007 13:34:01 GMT -5
You wanted current events and people to get you into the product. Here goes:
Takeshi Morishima -- The ROH champion, whose wrestled formerly in Japan for NOAH before coming to ROH in February and beating Homicide for the World Title. He's huge and he's agile. He's pretty much the opposite of every other champ out there in terms of looks. He looks like a big teddy bear, however, he is not once he gets in the ring. He legitimitely fractured Bryan Danielson's eye. He is a badass.
The Briscoes -- The ROH tag team champions, who have more or less been with ROH since day one. As someone said before, who I agree with, the Briscoes are the best tag team probably around right now, and they have put on some classic matches all throughout 2007, with teams like Naruki Doi and Shingo, Chris Sabin and Alex Shelley, Kevin Steen and El Generico, Austin Aries and Roderick Strong, and they had what some consider a MOTY candidate fighting against each other during the Fifth Year Festival. They are tough, quick, and hard to beat.
Bryan Danielson -- In my opinion, Bryan Danielson is hands down the best wrestler in the US today, and maybe in the top 5 in the world. This is a guy who wrestled 50 minutes with a dislocated shoulder, wrestled with a injured eye, and held the ROH World Title for over one year before losing it to Homicide. He mixes technical wrestling, MMA style strikes and kicks, and the occasional high flying move. He has put on classics with people like Mike Quackenbush, Takeshi Morishima, Samoa Joe, Nigel McGuinness, and many others.
Nigel McGuinness -- Nigel McGuinness, in many people's opinions, will take the World Title from around Takeshi Morishima's waste. Hailing from the UK, he is a former ROH Pure Champion, who uses his arsenal of lariats, punches, and power to defeat opponents quickly. During the end of summer last year, he was in a battle with Bryan Danielson over the world title, having a series of matches that some considered the best of the year.
Claudio Castagnoli -- I don't know your knowledge of the indys, but Claudio is probably the fastest rising star in ROH and elsewhere. Claudio has held the ROH World Tag Team Titles (with Chris Hero), and recently won the Race To The Top Tournament, beating PWG regular El Generico. He has quickly become a main event player, challenging (however unsuccessfully) for the World Title, and doing battle with Chris Hero, and others. Claudio uses many power moves, including uppercuts and lariats, in order to defeat his opponent.
Storylines
The Resilience/No Remorse Corpse/The Vulture Squad -- Back in 2005 and 2006, Austin Aries, Roderick Strong, and Jack Evans were in a stable known as Generation Next. The stable was designed in order to showcase themselves, the new talent, to the fans of ROH. In the middle of 2006, the stable broke up, as Austin Aries had previously won the ROH World Title, and Austin Aries and Roderick Strong currently held the ROH World Tag Team Titles, losing them to the Kings Of Wrestling (Chris Hero and Claudio Castagnoli) at Glory By Honor weekend. After losing the belts, they continued to team until in February 2007, Roderick Strong attacked Austin Aries after a tag team loss. During the beat down, Davey Richards came out to help Roderick, and it was announced that they would be together in the No Remorse Corpse. So naturally, in order to oppose this group, Austin Aries went out to find him some friends who could take his back. He eventually got Matt Cross, Erick Stevens, and Delirious, while Roderick Strong added Rocky Romero. That left Jack Evans. Jack at first tried to get the former teammates to forgive and forget, however, he couldn't succeed. So, he went out and formed his own team, heading by Homicide's former manager, Julius Smokes. The Vulture Squad, as the team is known, also added Ruckus, and will be added a new mystery member on October 5th. They continue to do battle at every show, looking for supremacy.
Age of The Fall -- Started a few months prior, a group known as Project 161 created a website to attempt to tear down ROH. Their first attempt was posting a picture of Gabe Sapolsky (ROH's head booker, and former ECW employee) and his wife. Gabe, outraged, demanded the no references to 161 be made on the website or forum. However, for months, 161 continued to operate a website and a blog, often making sinister entries about the imminent doom coming to ROH. Then, 161 began to attack the Briscoe Brothers. They broke into their trailer and stole precious items, including pictures of the brothers from their youth, and then posted them on the website, mocking the Briscoes. Last weekend at the pay-per-view taping, the Briscoes came out victorious against Kevin Steen and El Generico in ROH's first ever ladder match. All of the sudden, at the end of the match, Jimmy Jacobs, Tyler Black, and The Necro Butcher arrived and began beating down the Briscoe Brothers. They took Jay and hung him up above the ring using the device used to hold the belts for the ladder match. Because of the beatings that he had received, Jay bled buckets of blood down onto the ring. Jimmy Jacobs cut a promo about how Project 161 (now known as Age of the Fall) was here to destroy ROH. At one point during the promo, Jimmy Jacobs leaned back and drank some of the blood falling from the head of Jay Briscoe. On October 5th, it will be the Briscoes against two members of the Age of The Fall. The Briscoes are pissed, and when the Briscoes are pissed, it's time to MAN UP.
Sweet and Sour Inc. -- Larry Sweeney is the most wheeling dealing manager in the world right now. His most recent accomplishment includes getting Matt Sydal signed to a WWE contract. His "clients" consist of Tank Toland, Chris Hero, Sara Del Ray, and the portly Bobby Dempsey. Sweeney continues to wheel and deal to get great matches and title shots for his clients. He knows that one day, he will be the one responsible for all the gold his clients will have.
I thought about writing about the Hangman Three, but they just started last weekend, so there isn't really much about them. As a word of advice to you: Go. A little over a year ago, I decided to go to an ROH show because I knew some of the wrestlers from other indys and TNA. I went in knowing absolutely nothing about storylines and most wrestlers. I was hooked on the first show. Going to an ROH show is one of my favorite things to do, because it's exciting live action that, in truth, isn't found anywhere else. It isn't just mat wrestlers, or spot-monkeys, it's down to earth, real good wrestling. It couldn't hurt to try, could it?
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Post by Near Fantastica on Sept 19, 2007 13:36:00 GMT -5
I just can't bring myself to watch poorly produced wrestling shows with guys in black trunks who I can't tell apart. I hear people say this about Indie wrestling all the time, but I don't understand it. Poorly produced meaning the lack of flashing lights and pyro? The lack of a picture in picture reply? To be honest, it is. The really low lighting makes it hard for me to watch. I can't see the audience and the ring looks black. The audience annoy me too, they're trying to get themselves over with the chants and smacking the railings around the ring. I can't keep up with it because I have no way to watch it and the dvds are months old. It's really annoying. I loved the Joe/Punk series but that's as far as it goes really. I couldn't care about anyone else. There are too many generic guys who just scream "indy wrestler". This probably makes me sound like a "mark", but I love gimmicks. Honestly. I do. Tod Henderson or Ralph Fox, people named like that...why would I care about these people? I wish I could get into it more but I can't bring myself to it.
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Post by BlackHoleMark on Sept 19, 2007 13:37:54 GMT -5
People smack the railings because they're exciting about the action in ring. It's not like WWE where people sit on their hands all the time. We are passionate fans. We love watching ROH. We smack the railings.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Sept 19, 2007 13:39:33 GMT -5
People smack the railings because they're exciting about the action in ring. It's not like WWE where people sit on their hands all the time. We are passionate fans. We love watching ROH. We smack the railings. Indeed. And this is an area where I tend to defend TNA and the Impact Zone as well. I hate it when we get onto the fans for getting TOO into the action, TOO excited about the product, TOO willing to cheer. Isn't that a good thing?
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Sept 19, 2007 13:41:10 GMT -5
they're trying to get themselves over with the chants and smacking the railings around the ring. Chants can be annoying. This is true. As someone who smacks the railing, though, I've got to say your notions on why people do it is dead wrong. It's a show of appreciation. It has nothing to do with people putting themselves over. It's a way of saying "that was really good" or "let's keep time with this guy's entrance music" or simply applauding. Nothing more.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 19, 2007 13:43:07 GMT -5
Again, it sounds like your mind is already made up and no amount of posts is going to change that, you don't like ROH, and that's fine, it's not for everyone, doesn't make it the worst ever, just that you may not find it entertaining. To each their own.
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Post by Shy Guy on Sept 19, 2007 13:44:07 GMT -5
People smack the railings because they're exciting about the action in ring. It's not like WWE where people sit on their hands all the time. We are passionate fans. We love watching ROH. We smack the railings. and can't keep a beat.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Sept 19, 2007 13:44:11 GMT -5
because were all supposed to be WRESTLING fans and not sports entertainment fanes on here. sounds like you should just wait for WWE to come your way. you're already way to critical of the ROH product before you've even experienced it live. so dont even give it a chance.
just wait till WWE comes around and you'll have all the boogeyman and hornswoggle you can stand
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Bert Early?... sorry, that's a typo. Butt. Ugly.
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Sept 19, 2007 13:45:43 GMT -5
People smack the railings because they're exciting about the action in ring. It's not like WWE where people sit on their hands all the time. We are passionate fans. We love watching ROH. We smack the railings. and can't keep a beat. We're a bunch of mostly nerdy mostly white guys. What do you expect? By the way, it drives me nuts when people smack in time to Gimme Back My Bullets and hit the rails during the pause before the lyrics start. (Not really...but still, listen to the damn song people!)
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Post by Old School Heel mark4Morishima on Sept 19, 2007 13:46:17 GMT -5
Like my uncle said after I dragged him to the last Boston show:
"That was a lot of blood for ten bucks!!!"
You probably won't see a better live wrestling show anywhere. If you don't want to buy the DVD's after that, go right ahead.
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Post by Near Fantastica on Sept 19, 2007 13:49:30 GMT -5
because were all supposed to be WRESTLING fans and not sports entertainment fanes on here. sounds like you should just wait for WWE to come your way. you're already way to critical of the ROH product before you've even experienced it live. so dont even give it a chance. just wait till WWE comes around and you'll have all the boogeyman and hornswoggle you can stand I'm not the original poster sweetheart. I saw ROH when it came to the UK actually because I generally enjoy wrestling but when I can't visually keep up with it there's no use for me. I don't know any of the guys and anyone could be champion really. I don't have the time to search out all the dvds, nor would I want to spend that kind of money either. That, and I don't buy any wrestling merch or dvds anyhow. I'm not just talking about WWE. I am quite critical of WWE, especially currently and would actively seek out other feds, even trying TNA for a while which was a lost cause. But yes I enjoy gimmicks. For entertainment I enjoy suspension of disbelief, I like being taken out of reality and seeing guys who could be my 220 pound friends in the ring doesn't excite me. And the rail smacking is just irritating more than anything.
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Sept 19, 2007 13:55:17 GMT -5
Takeshi Morishima, The Briscoes, Bryan Danielson, Austin Aries, Claudio Castagnoli, El Generico, Kevin Steen, Jimmy Jacobs, Roderick Strock, Claudio Castagnoli, Chris Hero...OMGZ they all look the same, I can't tell them apart!!!!11!!
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Post by lisajennifer on Sept 19, 2007 13:58:07 GMT -5
Give Sweet & Sour a chance at least.
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