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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 24, 2007 23:11:11 GMT -5
My least favorite gimmicks have been mentioned...
King of the Mountain and X on a pole matches... and add all the wacky names for no dq matches...
I never really minded the escape the cage rule as long as you know the door is locked otherwise it never made much sense... as he isn't running so much as one person beating you till they're satisfied.
but for one not yet on the list.
I've never been fond of Inferno matches... because EVERY time its someone whose almost completely covered vs. someone in tights... so you know whose winning.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 24, 2007 23:11:40 GMT -5
Ironman matches pale in comparison to Two out of 3 falls, or best of 5 tourneys and such. Much better idea.
I'm not that bothered by escape cage matches. It makes sense that the heel wants to high tail it out of there, and the races to the outside, when done in a creative way are interesting sometimes.
My problem with cage matches is with wrestling in general:
It needs to END the feud. Nowadays, they often toss it in in the middle. Where are you supposed to go from there.
Like the Cell, the Cage was supposed to be the court of last resort. Nowadays, it goes from there and ends in a single. It makes no sense. Not just WWE, because TNA does the same damn thing, as did WCW.
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Post by slasher911 on Oct 24, 2007 23:18:05 GMT -5
I hate the Lethal Lockdown matches with a terrible passion. I hate the cheesy lighting ("the cage is coming down, ZOMG!!1"), but most of all, I hate the fact that the cage is supposed to keep all of the wrestlers inside, but yet they put weapons ON THE F****ING ROOF! (seriously, what is even the point of pushing 'they're all locked in' if you're just gonna throw a table up there and pretend they can't use it?).
King of the Mountain matches are just ridiculous too. Way too much s*** going on.
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Post by Cheeba on Oct 25, 2007 7:46:20 GMT -5
I like most gimmick matches. I do think the reverse battle royales in TNA are stupid. It's cool that they try to innovate, but I can do without this one.
Also, I hate "Anything on a Pole" matches.
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Oct 25, 2007 8:48:40 GMT -5
Hell in the cell. It always just felt like a "big" cage match I love Hell in a Cell, because it's actually what cage matches are supposed to be. You don't win by leaving the damn cell.
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Post by Ken Ivory on Oct 25, 2007 9:20:20 GMT -5
Hell in a Cell, especially with the new Cell. You just know that any future Cell match will never compare to the greatness of Foley/Taker, HBK/Taker and HBK/HHH.
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Post by bigHEADinc on Oct 25, 2007 9:44:40 GMT -5
Hell in a Cell, especially with the new Cell. You just know that any future Cell match will never compare to the greatness of... HBK/HHH. If you're talking about that 45+ minute s***fest that HBK and HHH had at Bad Blood 2004 then I gotta highly disagree with you. Both guys hardly did a thing for 45 minutes, HBK gets a ladder and a table into the cell, does a mediocre elbow drop through it, and people praise the f*** out of it. I just don't get it. As for the "Escape" Cage matches, I can't agree if only because one of my favorite finishes to a cage match happened because of the "Escape" clause. That match? JBL vs. Big Show at No Way Out 2005. Okay, laugh a little bit, but I'm not saying the match itself is that good (Although, seriously, it was better than the HHH/HBK Hell in the Cell, at least it was way shorter). Remember this match? It was the one with the barbed wire around the top of the cage. But it was the finish that made the match. Big Show, just getting done chokeslamming JBL THROUGH the ring, starts to walk out of the cage content in his title victory. Sadly, right before his feet can touch the floor, the bell sounds. Big Show still thinks he won, but JBL's music starts to play and he's announced as the winner. Suddenly, they show the other camera angle, where you can see JBL slowly crawl out from under the ring, mere seconds before Big show can make his way out. Here's the ending of the match (Replay of the chokeslam and escape at about 2 minutes)
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Oct 25, 2007 10:29:51 GMT -5
Hell in the cell. It always just felt like a "big" cage match I hate how in just about all of them, they end up leaving the Cage or end up climbing up on top of it...
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Post by slasher911 on Oct 25, 2007 11:07:10 GMT -5
I actually don't mind the escape part of cage matches. The Austin Aries/Colt Cabana match had a GREAT escape spot, and the "man able to walk out of the cage under his own power wins" part makes sense. I don't like it in every cage match, but it does add to the drama sometimes.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Oct 25, 2007 11:10:17 GMT -5
Last Man Standing.
Twenty minute matches, fifteen minutes of which is watching a guy lay on his ass while the referee counts.
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Post by T Vang is a HO-DADDY~! on Oct 25, 2007 12:46:13 GMT -5
Really, all of these things follow the same problem. They're too formulaic. Almost all of the entries in this thread say in so many words--"it's been done a million times" and that is a problem with gimmick matches. They need to be more creative in the booking of them so that they don't resemble every one before it.
Besides that issue, the biggest problem that makes certain gimmick matches bad is simply a stupid concept like reverse battle royal or anything involving a penalty box.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 25, 2007 13:42:11 GMT -5
Steel Cage Matches with Escape as the ONLY way of winning - I never got this. I always thought it to be anticlimactic, especially with the door right there to just walk out of. I don't get why one guy just walks over there at the beginning of the match, fends off his opponent until the door opens and casually walks out. At least if you have the escape clause, make pins and submissions possible ways of winning, too. This is why I love the Hell in a Cell match. It's everything I want a cage match to be.
I'm also not a fan of Texas Bullrope/Strap matches for reasons already said. They're just dumb.
Finally, a lot of TNA's gimmick matches are way too convoluted, particularly the King of the Mountain and Reverse Battle Royal matches. Way too many things to keep track of, and it makes it difficult to really enjoy the match with all those stipulations and regulations in the way.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 25, 2007 13:46:41 GMT -5
Hell in a Cell, especially with the new Cell. You just know that any future Cell match will never compare to the greatness of... HBK/HHH. If you're talking about that 45+ minute s***fest that HBK and HHH had at Bad Blood 2004 then I gotta highly disagree with you. Both guys hardly did a thing for 45 minutes, HBK gets a ladder and a table into the cell, does a mediocre elbow drop through it, and people praise the f*** out of it. I just don't get it. As for the "Escape" Cage matches, I can't agree if only because one of my favorite finishes to a cage match happened because of the "Escape" clause. That match? JBL vs. Big Show at No Way Out 2005. Okay, laugh a little bit, but I'm not saying the match itself is that good (Although, seriously, it was better than the HHH/HBK Hell in the Cell, at least it was way shorter). Remember this match? It was the one with the barbed wire around the top of the cage. But it was the finish that made the match. Big Show, just getting done chokeslamming JBL THROUGH the ring, starts to walk out of the cage content in his title victory. Sadly, right before his feet can touch the floor, the bell sounds. Big Show still thinks he won, but JBL's music starts to play and he's announced as the winner. Suddenly, they show the other camera angle, where you can see JBL slowly crawl out from under the ring, mere seconds before Big show can make his way out. Here's the ending of the match (Replay of the chokeslam and escape at about 2 minutes)That was awesome. On par with how the Steiners beat Money Inc. Another great one is a cage match where X-Pac could win by escaping, but Kane could not. X-Pac handcuffs Kane, climbs, Kane breaks the handcuffs, goes outside the cage himself, and lifts X-Pca without X-pac touching the floor, puts him in the ring, and Tomstones him for the win.
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Post by Dragonfly on Oct 25, 2007 13:51:28 GMT -5
Scaffold matches never made much sense to me. It isn't wrestling, it's stunt work. Besides, the chances of things going awry pretty high (see: Grimes, Vic). And what if the face is afraid of heights? Look at TNA's "Elevation X" match, for example. Rhino appeared to be scared out of his mind on the platform, and AJ didn't. It made Rhino look weak. Simply put, the concept just doesn't work.
Also, I've seen the appear of the "death match." When I say "death match," I am not referring to those Japanese matches where the wording is used to draw in a crowd. (The "Chain Death Match" NOAH held between Morishima and Mohammad Yone a few years ago was nothing more than a dog collar match. Zero-1's "No Rope, Barbed Wire, Spider Hell Death Match" was on par with Barbed Wire Massacre.) I'm talking about the real deal. Honestly, I don't see the point. It comes off as violence for violence sake to me.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Oct 25, 2007 13:57:03 GMT -5
Not really a huge fan of Elimination Chamber matches, especially the one they had at D2D.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 25, 2007 14:13:33 GMT -5
Scaffold matches never made much sense to me. It isn't wrestling, it's stunt work. Besides, the chances of things going awry pretty high (see: Grimes, Vic). And what if the face is afraid of heights? Look at TNA's "Elevation X" match, for example. Rhino appeared to be scared out of his mind on the platform, and AJ didn't. It made Rhino look weak. Simply put, the concept just doesn't work. Scaffold matches are atrocious. Good pick.
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Post by Joekishi on Oct 25, 2007 14:17:52 GMT -5
Scaffold Match and Elevation X
I also really hate ultimate X
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Post by The OP on Oct 25, 2007 14:21:33 GMT -5
Handicap matches.
They're kinda cool when it's a big monster squashing a couple jobbers and it only takes a few minutes. However, it's a lose lose situation if it's one established guy against two other established guys. If the one guy wins it usually seems overly phony, and if the two guys win it's like "big deal it was two against one".
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 25, 2007 14:22:59 GMT -5
Handicap matches. They're kinda cool when it's a big monster squashing a couple jobbers and it only takes a few minutes. However, it's a lose lose situation if it's one established guy against two other established guys. If the one guy wins it usually seems overly phony, and if the two guys win it's like "big deal it was two against one". I only like them in making jobber matches a little bit more interesting, or for punishment. In punishment, they should RARELY win, and if they do, it should be because they either cheated, or the opponent made a mistake.
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Post by I Graduated Warrior University on Oct 26, 2007 5:36:18 GMT -5
"King of the Mountain" match. A reverse ladder match is bad enough but, add in the pinfalls and penalty box stuff and I can't stand it. I actually think that match is awesome. But I may very well be alone on that one. I really like the concept of the KOTM match, but the penalty boxes etc is just excess booking that detracts from what is essentially an interesting concept for a match
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