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Post by Dynamite Kid on Oct 26, 2007 15:17:00 GMT -5
Handicap matches. They're kinda cool when it's a big monster squashing a couple jobbers and it only takes a few minutes. However, it's a lose lose situation if it's one established guy against two other established guys. If the one guy wins it usually seems overly phony, and if the two guys win it's like "big deal it was two against one". That's what I like to call the 'House Of Flying Daggers Syndrome.' In that film, a guy has a sword fight with a blind girl. How can this possibly end well? Option 1. You kill a blind girl in a sword fight. Big whup, you stabbed a girl who can't see you stabbing her. Option 2. You lose to a blind girl. Option 3. Someone saves your ass. FROM A BLIND GIRL. There's no way to look good.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 26, 2007 15:22:29 GMT -5
Handicap matches. They're kinda cool when it's a big monster squashing a couple jobbers and it only takes a few minutes. However, it's a lose lose situation if it's one established guy against two other established guys. If the one guy wins it usually seems overly phony, and if the two guys win it's like "big deal it was two against one". That's what I like to call the 'House Of Flying Daggers Syndrome.' In that film, a guy has a sword fight with a blind girl. How can this possibly end well? Option 1. You kill a blind girl in a sword fight. Big whup, you stabbed a girl who can't see you stabbing her. Option 2. You lose to a blind girl. Option 3. Someone saves your ass. FROM A BLIND GIRL. There's no way to look good. That's a good movie. *spoiler* She wasn't actually blind, and he knew it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 26, 2007 19:08:21 GMT -5
For the record, I agree; 2/3 falls matches are MUCH better than Iron Man matches.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Oct 26, 2007 19:11:43 GMT -5
That's what I like to call the 'House Of Flying Daggers Syndrome.' In that film, a guy has a sword fight with a blind girl. How can this possibly end well? Option 1. You kill a blind girl in a sword fight. Big whup, you stabbed a girl who can't see you stabbing her. Option 2. You lose to a blind girl. Option 3. Someone saves your ass. FROM A BLIND GIRL. There's no way to look good. That's a good movie. *spoiler* She wasn't actually blind, and he knew it. I disagree. And I know she wasn't, but that's not the point. Nobody else did at that point. He had nothing to gain.
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Post by Chris Decker-The Wild Rover on Oct 26, 2007 19:46:21 GMT -5
Monsters Ball. you wanna talk conveluted. the fact that when they first started to have em the one gimmick was that "THEY COULDN'T EAT FOR 24 HOURS" So f***in dumb
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Post by jcdenton on Oct 26, 2007 19:56:00 GMT -5
Monsters Ball. you wanna talk conveluted. the fact that when they first started to have em the one gimmick was that "THEY COULDN'T EAT FOR 24 HOURS" So smurfin dumb WHAT? how did that work?
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 26, 2007 20:12:30 GMT -5
That's a good movie. *spoiler* She wasn't actually blind, and he knew it. I disagree. And I know she wasn't, but that's not the point. Nobody else did at that point. He had nothing to gain. He wasn't fighting her for the hell of it, he was trying to arrest her.
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Oct 26, 2007 21:29:16 GMT -5
Monsters Ball. you wanna talk conveluted. the fact that when they first started to have em the one gimmick was that "THEY COULDN'T EAT FOR 24 HOURS" So smurfin dumb WHAT? how did that work? The storyline for the match was that every participant was locked in a dark room with no sleep and no food for 24 hours to heighten their aggression.
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Post by erisi236 on Oct 26, 2007 21:41:30 GMT -5
It's not very Gimmicky or anything, but I'm not a huge fan a 3 or 4 way Dances, especially when the Title is on that line, I don't like guys losing titles without actually losing.
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Post by jcdenton on Oct 26, 2007 21:46:56 GMT -5
The storyline for the match was that every participant was locked in a dark room with no sleep and no food for 24 hours to heighten their aggression. .... DAMN
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2007 12:20:53 GMT -5
I hear "Last Man Standing", I expect then to refer to the fans trying to stay awake.
"I Quit" matches have evolved into comedy bits. The referee wanders around with a microphone and sticks the mic in a guy's face, even if it's a simple move like a headlock. ("What do you say, Rock?" "The Rock's gonna kick your monkey ass!" "What do you say Mick?" "Go to hell, Rock!") You will never, ever see another "I Quit" match at the level of a Magnum TA-Tully Blanchard or a Ric Flair-Terry Funk caliber ever again. The two guys don't hate each other anymore, they're just trying to give the fans a cheap laugh.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 27, 2007 13:13:23 GMT -5
I hear "Last Man Standing", I expect then to refer to the fans trying to stay awake. "I Quit" matches have evolved into comedy bits. The referee wanders around with a microphone and sticks the mic in a guy's face, even if it's a simple move like a headlock. ("What do you say, Rock?" "The Rock's gonna kick your monkey ass!" "What do you say Mick?" "Go to hell, Rock!") You will never, ever see another "I Quit" match at the level of a Magnum TA-Tully Blanchard or a Ric Flair-Terry Funk caliber ever again. The two guys don't hate each other anymore, they're just trying to give the fans a cheap laugh. The ones between Chavo and Rey, though not up to the TA-Tully standard, were pretty good.
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Oct 27, 2007 13:15:45 GMT -5
I hear "Last Man Standing", I expect then to refer to the fans trying to stay awake. "I Quit" matches have evolved into comedy bits. The referee wanders around with a microphone and sticks the mic in a guy's face, even if it's a simple move like a headlock. ("What do you say, Rock?" "The Rock's gonna kick your monkey ass!" "What do you say Mick?" "Go to hell, Rock!") You will never, ever see another "I Quit" match at the level of a Magnum TA-Tully Blanchard or a Ric Flair-Terry Funk caliber ever again. The two guys don't hate each other anymore, they're just trying to give the fans a cheap laugh. I only think the Rock-Foley one was comedic. I think Cena-JBL was very, very, very good...and I think the three in ROH were all solid (yes, even Nigel-Jimmy Rave).
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 27, 2007 13:17:18 GMT -5
I hear "Last Man Standing", I expect then to refer to the fans trying to stay awake. "I Quit" matches have evolved into comedy bits. The referee wanders around with a microphone and sticks the mic in a guy's face, even if it's a simple move like a headlock. ("What do you say, Rock?" "The Rock's gonna kick your monkey ass!" "What do you say Mick?" "Go to hell, Rock!") You will never, ever see another "I Quit" match at the level of a Magnum TA-Tully Blanchard or a Ric Flair-Terry Funk caliber ever again. The two guys don't hate each other anymore, they're just trying to give the fans a cheap laugh. I only think the Rock-Foley one was comedic. I think Cena-JBL was very, very, very good...and I think the three in ROH were all solid (yes, even Nigel-Jimmy Rave). Rock vs. Foley was largely comedic, but once the handcuffs were on, if you were laughing, you're a really sick person.
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Oct 27, 2007 13:19:11 GMT -5
I only think the Rock-Foley one was comedic. I think Cena-JBL was very, very, very good...and I think the three in ROH were all solid (yes, even Nigel-Jimmy Rave). Rock vs. Foley was largely comedic, but once the handcuffs were on, if you were laughing, you're a really sick person. I was referring to it as comedic in the same sense that the first guy was - "The Rock's gonna kick your monkey ass" as a response and such. Seriously, the finish to that match was smurfing brutal.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 27, 2007 13:25:34 GMT -5
Rock vs. Foley was largely comedic, but once the handcuffs were on, if you were laughing, you're a really sick person. I was referring to it as comedic in the same sense that the first guy was - "The Rock's gonna kick your monkey ass" as a response and such. Seriously, the finish to that match was smurfing brutal. True. Lumberjack matches are usually a pointless stipulation.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Oct 27, 2007 13:35:12 GMT -5
Usually the more participants in a match, the less interest I have. Triple Threats, 6+ Man Tags, Fatal Four Ways, Battle Royals, even the Royal Rumble I find very "meh." They tend to be very predictable (well, except in the Rumble when there's 3 or 4 guys left).
Three & Four Way Dances I don't have as much a problem with, since they're not one fall to a finish.
Now with handicap matches, I agree when they're 1 vs. 2 or 1 vs. 3, but don't have a problem when it's 3 vs. 2, they're more fair that way I feel.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 27, 2007 13:35:53 GMT -5
Usually the more participants in a match, the less interest I have. Triple Threats, 6+ Man Tags, Fatal Four Ways, Battle Royals, even the Royal Rumble I find very "meh." They tend to be very predictable (well, except in the Rumble when there's 3 or 4 guys left). Three & Four Way Dances I don't have as much a problem with, since they're not one fall to a finish. Now with handicap matches, I agree when they're 1 vs. 2 or 1 vs. 3, but don't have a problem when it's 3 vs. 2, they're more fair that way I feel. You don't see that many 2 vs 3, for some reason.
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Post by slasher911 on Oct 27, 2007 15:26:34 GMT -5
If you're talking about that 45+ minute s***fest that HBK and HHH had at Bad Blood 2004 then I gotta highly disagree with you. Both guys hardly did a thing for 45 minutes, HBK gets a ladder and a table into the cell, does a mediocre elbow drop through it, and people praise the f*** out of it. I just don't get it. As for the "Escape" Cage matches, I can't agree if only because one of my favorite finishes to a cage match happened because of the "Escape" clause. That match? JBL vs. Big Show at No Way Out 2005. Okay, laugh a little bit, but I'm not saying the match itself is that good (Although, seriously, it was better than the HHH/HBK Hell in the Cell, at least it was way shorter). Remember this match? It was the one with the barbed wire around the top of the cage. But it was the finish that made the match. Big Show, just getting done chokeslamming JBL THROUGH the ring, starts to walk out of the cage content in his title victory. Sadly, right before his feet can touch the floor, the bell sounds. Big Show still thinks he won, but JBL's music starts to play and he's announced as the winner. Suddenly, they show the other camera angle, where you can see JBL slowly crawl out from under the ring, mere seconds before Big show can make his way out. Here's the ending of the match (Replay of the chokeslam and escape at about 2 minutes)That was awesome. On par with how the Steiners beat Money Inc. Another great one is a cage match where X-Pac could win by escaping, but Kane could not. X-Pac handcuffs Kane, climbs, Kane breaks the handcuffs, goes outside the cage himself, and lifts X-Pca without X-pac touching the floor, puts him in the ring, and Tomstones him for the win. That's actually one of my favorite matches. Kane's dive off the cage was insane. Hell, the entire Kane/X-Pac team and feud was severely underrated. I also thought the "fan's with whips lumberjack match" was one the stupidest things I have ever seen.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 27, 2007 15:29:00 GMT -5
That was awesome. On par with how the Steiners beat Money Inc. Another great one is a cage match where X-Pac could win by escaping, but Kane could not. X-Pac handcuffs Kane, climbs, Kane breaks the handcuffs, goes outside the cage himself, and lifts X-Pca without X-pac touching the floor, puts him in the ring, and Tomstones him for the win. That's actually one of my favorite matches. Kane's dive off the cage was insane. Hell, the entire Kane/X-Pac team and feud was severely underrated. I also thought the "fan's with whips lumberjack match" was one the stupidest things I have ever seen. Agreed and agreed.
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