Was I the only one underwhelmed by Kaz/Angle?

[metylerca]

The match was their first, i'd gladly tune in/order to see their second match hoping to top this. Still a good little TV match.

[poi zen rana]

hitmanmark said:

popogijo said:

really good match. what bothered me about the ending, though, was if it was angle digging into his amateur background to lock up kaz out of nowhere, whats to say he cant do it at any point in ht e match? if he can out-wrestle kaz like that, then angle is obviously superior to kaz, so whats the point? its the same reason i cant stand "roll-up" ending to matches, you see them three times during the match, why did it work now, just because the guy was "distracted"?

i would have preferred to see angle hit a suplex or angle slam out of nowhere, get a win, and sell the match by just laying in the ring next to kaz, both men exhausted by a hard fought match. to me that would have shown that angle had to really go all out to get by kaz, and just barely at that.

Angle rarely has to turn to his true amateur background to get a win. It's not something he often does. He's confident enough (read: arrogant) in his pro wrestling abilities that he doesn't feel he has to spend time pulling up moves that won him gold in 1996.

But Kaz was enough of a surprise and a challenge that he went to the well, took Kaz by surprise, and it worked.

Besides, that's why roll-ups and stuff work: they're meant as surprises to the guys they happen to, or they're done in such an effective way that the opponent simply can't break the pin. In this case, it was the former; Kaz DID kick out, but right after the 3, because he couldn't have guessed Angle would have gone for that move. Angle, in storyline, probably had no intention of ever using that pinning combination, but he did out of desperation after eating a Flux Capacitor.

agreed. i didn't feel kurt digging into his amateur meant that he could pull that out at any time to beat kaz. i felt kurt panicked and reached into his amateur back ground to catch him off guard because kaz wasn't expecting it. it gave the feeling that if kurt were to try something like that again, kaz would be ready for it.

[Aaron E. Dangerously]

poisonrana said:

for those that were underwhelmed by the match, for what reasons were you underwhelmed?

1. I felt it was something of a bogus, anti-climatic ending to this whole big tournament. Not to mention the pin looked weak as hell.

2. I'm gonna get heat for this, but it didn't look like Kaz was giving 110%, and it pains me to say that, because I LOVE Kaz. But that's how it felt to me.

3. It just didn't have that big match feel I thought it should have. Almost like it didn't matter. Something about the aura.

It was a GOOD match, but a match that I thought coulda/should/woulda been GREAT.

[Psy]

sexualwalking said:

What killed some of the excitement for me was this whole long "Fight for the Right" tourney that was hyped like crazy, and the payoff's a TV match, not even a week after the tourney ended.

If they REALLY wanted to build Kaz as a threat they should have held off till the PPV. Sure it MAY not have been the selling point of the match, but like WWE, TNA could have built a huge undercard match that sold the PPV(the Outsiders vs. TomStyles or Booker vs. Christian), and had a solid slow burn to build Kaz as a legitimate threat.

The match, while really good for a tv match STILL had a slight aura of throwaway match to it.

That's pretty much my feelings on it.

[Aaron E. Dangerously]

psychotideman said:

sexualwalking said:

What killed some of the excitement for me was this whole long "Fight for the Right" tourney that was hyped like crazy, and the payoff's a TV match, not even a week after the tourney ended.

If they REALLY wanted to build Kaz as a threat they should have held off till the PPV. Sure it MAY not have been the selling point of the match, but like WWE, TNA could have built a huge undercard match that sold the PPV(the Outsiders vs. TomStyles or Booker vs. Christian), and had a solid slow burn to build Kaz as a legitimate threat.

The match, while really good for a tv match STILL had a slight aura of throwaway match to it.

That's pretty much my feelings on it.

*nods head in agreement*

[Mayonnaise]

poisonrana said:

for those that were underwhelmed by the match, for what reasons were you underwhelmed?

It just didn't seem like anything special or important. I mean with the hype it received (on here and the FFYR build), it just didn't live up to it. It didn't make Kaz seem like a future main eventer/champ or even upper mid card guy, for example the way Taker/Jeff Hardy from '02 did for Jeff.

To me it was a good match but, nothing that was worth the hype/build it got.

[Psy]

Don't get me wrong, it was a good match. I just feel that with a little more buildup and a better venue it would have been a great match.

[Ace Diamond]

psychotideman said:

Don't get me wrong, it was a good match. I just feel that with a little more buildup and a better venue it would have been a great match.

That's how I feel. At the least they should've held off on it until the Thanksgiving episode

[poi zen rana]

aaronedangerously said:

poisonrana said:

for those that were underwhelmed by the match, for what reasons were you underwhelmed?

1. I felt it was something of a bogus, anti-climatic ending to this whole big tournament. Not to mention the pin looked weak as hell.

2. I'm gonna get heat for this, but it didn't look like Kaz was giving 110%, and it pains me to say that, because I LOVE Kaz. But that's how it felt to me.

3. It just didn't have that big match feel I thought it should have. Almost like it didn't matter. Something about the aura.

It was a GOOD match, but a match that I thought coulda/should/woulda been GREAT.

i still don't feel having a month long tournament absolutely means you must pay per view the title shot. just because that is usually how it is done in the wwe, in my eyes doesn't mean it always has to be that way. kayfabe wise it would even make more sense in my eyes for kaz to go immediately after the belt the first chance he got. i hear the argument "if they wanted to push him to the top they should have pay per viewed it" but possibly they didn't want to push him to the top. maybe they wanted to push him to exactly the level they did.

i didn't think kaz did too bad but it was definitely not his best match.

i agree as well it could have been better, but i don't expect them to pull out every single stop in their first match. with them both near the top of the card chances are very high we will be seeing a rematch at some point so i can see why they wouldn't pull out every trick they have. definitely could have been better, but didn't have to be because it was pretty entertaining regardless in my book.


i also didn't think the FFTR was built up as much as others seem to think it was. they would mention it, and their were to mini feuds that resulted from it but it was only from one pay per view to the next. i guess i don't feel it was as epic as some people do.