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Post by The Lach is very tired on Aug 24, 2007 12:55:12 GMT -5
Was Big Show jumping from WCW to WWE the beginning of the tide turning in WWE's favor? He was a former WCW champion, an nWo member (Before it became a joke) & he fueded with Hogan. Was his jump to WWF/E the beginning of the end of WCW?
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Post by Tyfo on Aug 24, 2007 13:01:48 GMT -5
No, the tide had already turned by that time.
Even Paul Wight himself has said he was jumping off the sinking ship.
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Aug 24, 2007 13:06:03 GMT -5
I disagree. I think Big Show's appearance was the beginning of the turning tide. The tide officially turned when the Countdown to the Millennium finished.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 24, 2007 13:09:19 GMT -5
Goldberg losing, The Fingerpoke, and the disrespect shown towards Foley all had the ball rolling away from WCW by then.
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Post by Mr. Mediocre on Aug 24, 2007 13:12:42 GMT -5
Actually...I take that previous post back.
The beginning of the tide turning happened about six weeks BEFORE The Big Show arrived. The Fingerpoke/Asses in the Seats was indeed the beginning of the tide turning.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Aug 24, 2007 14:31:54 GMT -5
By that point the tide indeed had already turned, but this was the beginning of the end, IMO.
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Post by El Dandy on Aug 24, 2007 14:34:32 GMT -5
To me, the turning point started after WrestleMania, after Austin won the title and his feud with Vince McMahon launched.
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Post by Diddly on Aug 24, 2007 15:12:55 GMT -5
Big Show was the first homegrown WCW talent to jump ship to WWF, correct?
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Post by El Dandy on Aug 24, 2007 15:50:00 GMT -5
In terms of main event stars, I guess you could say that. Remember, Ric Flair jumped to WWF in the early 90's, as well as the Steiners and Lex Luger. Then there were those who were stuck as midcarders in WCW who became main eventers in the WWF (Nash and Hall, before Razor and Diesel as the Diamond Studd and Vinnie Vegas, The Undertaker who wrestled under his real name as a tag team wrestler in WCW, Stone Cold Steve Austin who was actually a pretty good midcard heel in WCW as Stunning Steve Austin, Mick Foley as Cactus Jack and Jean-Paul Levesque who we all know now as Hunter Hurst Hemlsley.
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Post by Tyfo on Aug 24, 2007 16:43:01 GMT -5
Big Show was the first homegrown WCW talent to jump ship to WWF, correct? Thats not saying much. WCW had about 3 homegorwn talents that were a big deal during their hottest time. Giant, Goldberg, and DDP. Everyone else either came from the WWF or from ECW.
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Post by jobber2thestars on Aug 24, 2007 17:23:19 GMT -5
Had Big Show stayed in WCW, the compnay still would have gone down the drain.
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Post by Joekishi on Aug 24, 2007 17:29:51 GMT -5
He was bigger than Jericho, but he was still a young guy learning his craft.
I really think Big Show was a huge surprise, atleast to me i was 13 so i marked for this
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Post by thestinger on Aug 24, 2007 17:32:33 GMT -5
Thats not saying much. WCW had about 3 homegorwn talents that were a big deal during their hottest time. Giant, Goldberg, and DDP. Everyone else either came from the WWF or from ECW. Sting was the most over face with the crowds for almost the entire late 90s. And by the time the company closed down Booker T. could be classified a superstar as well.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Aug 24, 2007 19:35:42 GMT -5
In terms of main event stars, I guess you could say that. Remember, Ric Flair jumped to WWF in the early 90's, as well as the Steiners and Lex Luger. Then there were those who were stuck as midcarders in WCW who became main eventers in the WWF (Nash and Hall, before Razor and Diesel as the Diamond Studd and Vinnie Vegas, The Undertaker who wrestled under his real name as a tag team wrestler in WCW, Stone Cold Steve Austin who was actually a pretty good midcard heel in WCW as Stunning Steve Austin, Mick Foley as Cactus Jack and Jean-Paul Levesque who we all know now as Hunter Hurst Hemlsley. don't forget Edge
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Aug 25, 2007 1:22:49 GMT -5
Sting not getting the clean win from Hogan after that AWESOME setup was kind of the beginning of the end, IMO. After that, it seemed that the Bad started outweighing the Good slowly but surely after that, while WWE had picked up steam at about the same time.
By the time the Big Show jumped.....WCW was starting to bleed badly.
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Aug 25, 2007 5:04:23 GMT -5
the sucky finish to the starrcade 97 match between Hogan and Sting was a forecast for what would come later down the line. It was here that WCW made their first big mistake in the war. I`ve always said that Sting vs. Hogan should have been like Hogan vs. Warrior at WM6 (only with some better wrestling skills, courtesy of Sting).
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Post by darthpipes on Aug 25, 2007 9:11:53 GMT -5
Not only did it have a screwy finish but from what I've seen, it looked like Sting got his *** kicked by Hogan. Totally wrong on so many levels. The match should have been Sting beating the **** out of Hogan for several minutes and overcoming NWO interference to take a commanding victory.
The beginning of the end for WCW was Foley's victory/The Fingerpoke of Doom. That was the last time Nitro actually could have beaten Raw in the ratings and it all went down the toilet. Big Show's defection was another big blow but WCW was already starting to crumble at that point.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 25, 2007 22:14:56 GMT -5
In terms of main event stars, I guess you could say that. Remember, Ric Flair jumped to WWF in the early 90's, as well as the Steiners and Lex Luger. Then there were those who were stuck as midcarders in WCW who became main eventers in the WWF (Nash and Hall, before Razor and Diesel as the Diamond Studd and Vinnie Vegas, The Undertaker who wrestled under his real name as a tag team wrestler in WCW, Stone Cold Steve Austin who was actually a pretty good midcard heel in WCW as Stunning Steve Austin, Mick Foley as Cactus Jack and Jean-Paul Levesque who we all know now as Hunter Hurst Hemlsley. don't forget Edge I would hardly consider counting Edge in that same regard. Compare Edge's minimal involvement in WCW to the rest: Flair- Multi-time world champ and legitimate legend Steiners- tag team legends and proven world-wide main event draws Lugar- former world champ Nash and Hall- failed draws that WCW had given considerable air time Austin- former US, TV, and Tag champ Foley- No titles, but no fewer than 3 main event feuds under his belt UT- remembered for tag team, but last role in WCW was to feud with Sting HHH- given plenty of airtime and seemed destined to have success in tag ranks (he left because he wanted to do singles instead) Edge had one match on one of their c-level shows. It is not the same.
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Post by Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black on Aug 25, 2007 22:25:02 GMT -5
Wasn't it rumored at the time that Hogan actually told Wight that he should jump to the WWF because they'd make him a bigger star there?
I remember WWF making a big deal about signing him, even going so far as to announce the signing on WWF.com during a time when they didn't do stuff like that.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Aug 25, 2007 23:01:30 GMT -5
Aside from a few big nights (Goldberg/Hogan, Warrior's debut, Flair's return), didn't Raw retake the edge in the spring of 1998 and have a pretty firm grip on the War by the time Show debuted?
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