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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 27, 2008 19:15:40 GMT -5
It's illegal in America, isn't it? No... it isn't.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Jan 27, 2008 19:19:53 GMT -5
Hmm. Worth knowing for if I'm ever over there *rubs hands together*
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jan 27, 2008 19:25:07 GMT -5
Many Black Soldiers fought and died for the CSA under the Battle Flag. But I argue it's a straw man. It's easier to condemn a flag belonging to the lost cause than to deal with the racism that lives with us and the problems we face today. Taking down the battle flag won't make one black's life better.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 27, 2008 19:56:55 GMT -5
From a design POV the flag is awesome. Very striking and eye-catching. My all-time favourite flag design.
I can understand the offence caused by it though. It was one of the flags used by the CSA who were fighting for, among other reasons, to maintain black slavery.
It also has a problem that many other flags have that it has been hijacked by racist groups like the KKK and so forth so its image is further associated with bigotry.
Only four possible things can occur now.
1- The current situation continues where some want it out of sight whereas others do not.
2- The flag is slowly removed from view whereever it currently appears.
3- The flag remains in places only where a correct context applies. So for example the flag could fly or be displayed in an "American Civil War" exhibition at a museum perhaps.
4- ALL the people of the South of the United States, black and white people in particular reclaim the flag from its history AND from the extremists to simply be a banner representing their region without any political ideologies attached to it. So it would be a "symbol of the South" rather than a symbol of supremacy of one skin colour over another.
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Post by biafra on Jan 27, 2008 20:01:17 GMT -5
I thought it was great when some Southern Blacks co opted the design and used it themselves to represent THEIR Southern Heritage.
It was basically the same design but with more greens and yellows and more traditional "African" colors.
That's what we need..all Southerners embracing the better parts of our culture and heritage while giving a collective "f*** you" to the assholes who have ruined the symbol by using it for hate.
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 27, 2008 20:06:25 GMT -5
Hitler took the swastika, which traditionally is a symbol of peace, and turned it into a symbol of hate.
I don't see why the people of America, the south specifically, can't do the same with the Confederate battle flag, only in reverse and turn a symbol of division into a symbol of pride and good.
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Post by fabulousfreebird on Jan 27, 2008 20:10:51 GMT -5
It's a symbol of pride and the real America. I love the Confederate Flag. Love it!
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jan 27, 2008 21:27:25 GMT -5
nah. it's a symbol of a region, and i think it's time everyone stopped being so sensitive and took it that way
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Post by Mac on Jan 27, 2008 21:33:40 GMT -5
I just think it's blown WAY out of proportion. To me it signifys the heritage of your family if you originate from the South. It can also be a rememberence of the way America used to be, much like the earlier US flags.
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Post by Hypnotix on Jan 27, 2008 21:40:07 GMT -5
It was on top of the General Lee. The Duke boys never meant anyone harm. The Confederate/Rebel flag is all good in my book.
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Post by erisi236 on Jan 27, 2008 21:40:21 GMT -5
Damn Confederate rebel scum.
The South won't rise again..... oh wait, I live in the South..... Long live General Lee!!!! ;D
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 27, 2008 22:39:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this was brought up yet, but the Confederate flag we're always fighting about isn't even the real Confederate flag. It's the battle flag of the Confederate army. Here's the real thing: I don't have much use for the Confederate flag, but I'm also a Northerner, so I won't pretend to understand everything about it. That said, to me, its a symbol of a loose confederacy of states that failed to become a country, and who fought for an ideal that isn't really viable in today's world or American society. In short: it's obsolete.
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Post by silentrage on Jan 27, 2008 23:09:25 GMT -5
No. It's a essential and historical part of Southern culture.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jan 27, 2008 23:14:23 GMT -5
It's like the swastika. In and of itself, it isn't racist, but it is what it was used to symbolize. It wasn't used to symbolize racism. The Civil War was about MUCH, MUCH more then that. I agree with everyone that in today's day and age, it's not needed (I'm looking at you South Carolina ) because we are a UNITED States and it's obsolete in so far as being the flag of a seperated region. I personally just like Lynard Skynard, okay? lol
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Jan 27, 2008 23:20:08 GMT -5
I see it as a symbol of the south and an ideal that once was. It's an awesome flag design and it sucks that it was once a symbol of the South and states rights and made into a symbol of hate and racism by some loonies and that's what a good number of people see it as.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jan 27, 2008 23:20:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this was brought up yet, but the Confederate flag we're always fighting about isn't even the real Confederate flag. It's the battle flag of the Confederate army. Here's the real thing: I don't have much use for the Confederate flag, but I'm also a Northerner, so I won't pretend to understand everything about it. That said, to me, its a symbol of a loose confederacy of states that failed to become a country, and who fought for an ideal that isn't really viable in today's world or American society. In short: it's obsolete. That would be the 1st flag. They changed it in 63 to this
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Post by Dick Foley on Jan 27, 2008 23:24:28 GMT -5
I am from Kentucky and I don't understand the whole Rebel Flag thing. Around here you will see people with rebel flag shirts, license plates and even rebel flag doo rags. Usually the person flyng has some weird feeling they should support their Southern heritage but, I doubt most of their families were in the south during the Civil War. I am personally not offened by the flag but, in my personal experinces, I equate the flag with people with little or no intelligence.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jan 27, 2008 23:27:42 GMT -5
I am from Kentucky and I don't understand the whole Rebel Flag thing. Around here you will see people with rebel flag shirts, license plates and even rebel flag doo rags. Usually the person flyng has some weird feeling they should support their Southern heritage but, I doubt most of their families were in the south during the Civil War. I am personally not offened by the flag but, in my personal experinces, I equate the flag with people with little or no intelligence. That, though I hate to sterotype is a problem to. I have to admit though, I have a good friend, and he's kind of a heavy metal-good ol' boy. He has Confederate Flag stuff mainly because of Lynard Skynard, but he is a pretty smart guy and one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. He's the anti-average guy with the flag, and it's even a joke between me and him.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 27, 2008 23:44:16 GMT -5
I used to have a Confederate battle flag in my room, but that was mainly because I'm a Civil War buff. I have no problem with the flag itself. Obviously I have a problem with the Klan and other hate groups that have used it as a symbol. I do have a question for those in the south who still talk of the flag as a regional symbol, or something to remind them of regional history. As a midwestener this has always struck me funny. No one in this region speaks of holding on the symbols of midwesteren pride or midwestern history. It simply doesn't exist in the large scale that it does in the south. I know that the members of the former confederacy wanted to hold to their heritage after the horrors of the war, but after 142 years isn't it time to let it go?
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jan 27, 2008 23:47:13 GMT -5
I used to have a Confederate battle flag in my room, but that was mainly because I'm a Civil War buff. I have no problem with the flag itself. Obviously I have a problem with the Klan and other hate groups that have used it as a symbol. I do have a question for those in the south who still talk of the flag as a regional symbol, or something to remind them of regional history. As a midwestener this has always struck me funny. No one in this region speaks of holding on the symbols of midwesteren pride or midwestern history. It simply doesn't exist in the large scale that it does in the south. I know that the members of the former confederacy wanted to hold to their heritage after the horrors of the war, but after 142 years isn't it time to let it go? I can't answer any of this. Like I said earlier, even though I feel it's not a symbol that means anything bad, I also think it's obsolete now-a-days. In it's original meaning anyways. The flag itself... pretty much the only thing I associate with it is Lynard Skynard or Dukes of Hazard. lol
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