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Post by RingoJ is a Horrible Man on Jan 28, 2008 3:36:28 GMT -5
Having lived in Alabama for 31 years now, i'd have to say no, tis just a flag.
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Post by Vanilla Gorilla on Jan 28, 2008 10:18:43 GMT -5
Not at this point, unless used specifically for that intended purpose (KKK & White Supremecists using it as a symbol). To me it just stands for a historical lost cause. It is confusing to me why Southerners have such pride in it when to me all it does is remind me of a long lost idealogical battle. Wouldn't they want to forget and move on from that embarrasment, but to each their own.
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Post by biafra on Jan 28, 2008 10:33:36 GMT -5
Not at this point, unless used specifically for that intended purpose (KKK & White Supremecists using it as a symbol). To me it just stands for a historical lost cause. It is confusing to me why Southerners have such pride in it when to me all it does is remind me of a long lost idealogical battle. Wouldn't they want to forget and move on from that embarrasment, but to each their own. Because to a lot of Southerners it has little or nothing to do with a Confederate States Of America; but rather a symbol of general southern heritage and and sometimes general rebellion. It;s no different in that usage than an Itallian american getting a Itallian flag tattoo or an Irish american getting a shamrock.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jan 28, 2008 12:25:20 GMT -5
Not at this point, unless used specifically for that intended purpose (KKK & White Supremecists using it as a symbol). To me it just stands for a historical lost cause. It is confusing to me why Southerners have such pride in it when to me all it does is remind me of a long lost idealogical battle. Wouldn't they want to forget and move on from that embarrasment, but to each their own. which is why so few actually call it the "confederate" flag... it's the rebel flag
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Post by Vanilla Gorilla on Jan 28, 2008 12:28:39 GMT -5
Makes sense, thank you for the insight.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 28, 2008 12:37:21 GMT -5
It strikes me as a regional thing more than anything, so no.
The flag being used by moronic bigots isn't any different to me from a lot of nutjobs wrapping themselves in the American flag.
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Post by biafra on Jan 28, 2008 12:39:33 GMT -5
Makes sense, thank you for the insight. No problem. I think this is one issue where the non racists who use it talked to those who have legitimate reasons to think it means something other than intended in a civil, rational manner then it'd be a non issue and quickly.
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Post by jamofpearls on Jan 28, 2008 13:05:37 GMT -5
Its no and yes. No when its in good nature, like on the General Lee, and yes when it's used negatively like at Klan rallies, and other racist situations.
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Post by spinachchin on Jan 28, 2008 13:07:26 GMT -5
I'm not black, so no...but if I where black then I would be
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jan 28, 2008 13:09:28 GMT -5
Its no and yes. No when its in good nature, like on the General Lee, and yes when it's used negatively like at Klan rallies, and other racist situations. Well, that can be applied to ANYTHING really. So really the answer would be no since the flag itself does not mean that. Context can go with anything.
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Post by jamofpearls on Jan 28, 2008 13:11:48 GMT -5
Its no and yes. No when its in good nature, like on the General Lee, and yes when it's used negatively like at Klan rallies, and other racist situations. Well, that can be applied to ANYTHING really. So really the answer would be no since the flag itself does not mean that. Context can go with anything. Agreed, but that's my reason why i can't answer truthfully no or yes. It doesn't bother me when i see it on the general lee, or part of a state flag, but to see it waved at said rallies, not so much.
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Post by biafra on Jan 28, 2008 13:18:59 GMT -5
I'm not black, so no...but if I where black then I would be I understand that black people have a right and reason to be offended..because of how they see it used and what people tell them it represents. Although honestly..if you consider the fact that the stars and stripes flew over a slave nation for much longer than the stars and bars did and the war itself was not fought over slavery (The emancipation proclemation wasn't ever drafter untill two years after the war started and even then it was a tactic to get Confederate states to rejoin the Union so they could then keep their slaves) there is a lot of misinformation about its actual meaning as a racist symbol..outside of the nuts who use it that way.
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Post by Erik Majorwitz on Jan 28, 2008 13:26:05 GMT -5
All I can say is, Dukes of Hazzard. General Lee just doesn't look the same without it.
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Post by Libertine on Jan 28, 2008 13:27:54 GMT -5
My old band used to have one on stage with us. Not for any real reason, I just love the design.
Of course, there is little to no connotations of racism etc with that flag over here. I imagine a reaction would occur if we ever played in the U.S.
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Post by Silent Brad on Jan 28, 2008 13:40:10 GMT -5
i have no problem with the confederate flag. (it is on the roof of my favorite car of all time after all)
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Post by HRH The KING on Jan 28, 2008 14:25:55 GMT -5
To me, it's a piece of art on one of the most beautiful cars I have ever seen. ;D
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Post by acressl on Jan 28, 2008 14:30:56 GMT -5
I like the big dawg flag myself. The issue of the south's flag however gets murky. I don't know if there is a right way. They should be allowed to be proud of their heritage and people should have the right not to be offended. Thing is, what's offensive? You can't pick at certain usages, you've to do away with the whole and that's not fair to the supporters.
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Post by lol on Jan 28, 2008 14:34:35 GMT -5
I'm not black, so no...but if I where black then I would be I understand that black people have a right and reason to be offended..because of how they see it used and what people tell them it represents. Although honestly..if you consider the fact that the stars and stripes flew over a slave nation for much longer than the stars and bars did and the war itself was not fought over slavery (The emancipation proclemation wasn't ever drafter untill two years after the war started and even then it was a tactic to get Confederate states to rejoin the Union so they could then keep their slaves) there is a lot of misinformation about its actual meaning as a racist symbol..outside of the nuts who use it that way. The original seceding states left the United States due to the issue of slavery. You can find declarations of secession in which the original seceding states rant about slavery. For example, South Carolina, the state that sparked the Civil War, rants that slavery is a state right ( ) and the Federal Government is attacking it. The issue of slavery was a powder keg and the United States didn't almost form because of it. It is clear that if slavery wasn't on the table, the Civil War wouldn't had happened (South Carolina wouldn't had seceded).
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Post by biafra on Jan 28, 2008 14:48:50 GMT -5
I understand that black people have a right and reason to be offended..because of how they see it used and what people tell them it represents. Although honestly..if you consider the fact that the stars and stripes flew over a slave nation for much longer than the stars and bars did and the war itself was not fought over slavery (The emancipation proclemation wasn't ever drafter untill two years after the war started and even then it was a tactic to get Confederate states to rejoin the Union so they could then keep their slaves) there is a lot of misinformation about its actual meaning as a racist symbol..outside of the nuts who use it that way. The original seceding states left the United States due to the issue of slavery. You can find declarations of secession in which the original seceding states rant about slavery. For example, South Carolina, the state that sparked the Civil War, rants that slavery is a state right ( ) and the Federal Government is attacking it. The issue of slavery was a powder keg and the United States didn't almost form because of it. It is clear that if slavery wasn't on the table, the Civil War wouldn't had happened (South Carolina wouldn't had seceded). Slavery is a way of life or slavery as an example of what was percieved to be too much Federal control over the southern states? I'm sure there are some on each side who pushed it as an issue..but I don't think it was THE issue some people claim that if it was.. Lincoln himself said his only goal was to unite the union, and if he could do so without freeing the slaves he would. Also consider the fact that if a Southern State had rejoined the union before the date the Proclemation took effect they would have been allowed to keep their slaves.
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Post by Throwback on Jan 28, 2008 15:18:58 GMT -5
That crappy direct to DVD movie was quite good especially compared to the crappy movie. Okay, to be fair I never saw the DTD one, just the first one. It's a lot closer to the orginal tv series. but there's actually a DOH movie most people don't remember The Dukes of Hazzard: Hazzard in Hollywood made in 2000 it stars the original cast but back to the flag. I have a black friend that hangs it in his apartment. so not all people see it as a racist flag. (I never did ask him why he has it)
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