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Post by normcoleman on Feb 20, 2008 17:13:25 GMT -5
and if you don't like american football...this man will eat yer heart. Joe Pa will help
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Post by Baixo Astral on Feb 20, 2008 17:15:07 GMT -5
soccer is for 9 year old girls with over-protective mothers I think the cultural divide is too much to bridge, if that's the way it's seen in the colonies.
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Post by jamofpearls on Feb 20, 2008 17:16:33 GMT -5
and if you don't like american football...this man will eat yer heart. Joe Pa will help Your next tag champs richere.
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Post by normcoleman on Feb 20, 2008 17:22:46 GMT -5
Joe Pa will help Your next tag champs richere. I dunno, that Mark Mangino/Phil Fulmer team is tough. I seen them eat a man!
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Post by IsaacMKII on Feb 20, 2008 17:23:33 GMT -5
I watch both. But I prefer American Football.
Although yeah I get annoyed sometimes by the fact that the game doesn't flow. It's all the stopping and starting (which I understand the reason for, I just wish they'd hurry it up instead of slowly getting back into position).
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Post by Mr. Backlund on Feb 20, 2008 17:29:17 GMT -5
First things first, a thread that starts off purposely taking a swipe at a sport that the original poster intends to run down typically doesn't elicit the best in people, even if it is a thinly veiled attempt at a debate.
That said.....
You're always going to prefer what you grew up watching because that's what your accustomed to, that's what your familiar with and can truly appreciate the intracies of the game. I'm not going to call soccer/football/whatever you desire to call it boring, stupid or for pansies because I don't understand it enough to form an opinion on it. I can say, however, that the MLS is boring, stupid and full of pansies and I challenged any (fill in sports name here) fan to form any other opinion. It is a diluted league that is hedging its future on an aging star who does not appeal to the average American sports fan. That's not to say the entire sport is without purpose and is ridiculous in all forms, but here in the States, it's the pits. I can appreciate the World Cup, as there are bitter rivalries centuries old and its life and death for some people, but that's sorely missing in the US, where we don't really care if the LA Galaxy are playing the Red Bull New York.
Conversely, Europeans have been subjected to NFL Europa, a watered down league full of sub-par players who likely will not play on a real NFL roster any time in the near future. They're subjected to the same thing the US is, lesser talent playing poorly for teams no one has a vested interest in. Additionally, it's not a critical aspect of high school life, as it is in the US and likely why it doesn't catch on. If, however, you grew up in the States and had the appreciation for the rivalries and game, you'd like sing the exact opposite song.
So, at the end of the day, there really is no reason to try and debate the merits of either sport. You're not going to change anyone's opinions and, at the end of the day, you sound like a 10 year old begging for attention by swatting at a bee's nest. People like what they like, trying to figure out is pointless. Regardless, there's a lot odder hobbies out there.
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 20, 2008 17:33:39 GMT -5
The ironic thing about UKers (and don't worry, I am one too) calling it "proper" football or "their" sport is that British football is by far the most boring one to watch. For real excitement you need to see the South Americans play it, or certain European countries such as Spain and Italy. Hell, even the USA club teams play a pretty fast-paced and fun game. I never watch the Premier Leauge anymore, but when it's World Cup time I go into complete mark mode. That's where the real action is.
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Post by Baixo Astral on Feb 20, 2008 17:37:37 GMT -5
The ironic thing about UKers (and don't worry, I am one too) calling it "proper" football or "their" sport is that British football is by far the most boring one to watch. For real excitement you need to see the South Americans play it, or certain European countries such as Spain and Italy. Hell, even the USA club teams play a pretty fast-paced and fun game. I never watch the Premier Leauge anymore, but when it's World Cup time I go into complete mark mode. That's where the real action is. Now, now, young man... all that fancy foreign footwork is all well and good in the Maracana, but when you've got to scratch out a draw at Darlington on a rainy Saturday afternoon in February, sometimes you need a team of cloggers and some luck. You, lad, get rid! Your a disgrace, young man!
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Post by normcoleman on Feb 20, 2008 17:40:21 GMT -5
Brian Clough....taught Fabio everything he knows
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Post by Baixo Astral on Feb 20, 2008 17:44:01 GMT -5
Brian Clough....taught Fabio everything he knows Young man... Old Big 'Ead taught every manager everything they know... but only a fraction of what he knew.
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Post by HRH The KING on Feb 20, 2008 18:47:50 GMT -5
Proper football I prefer, obviously because I grew up with it.
American football has too many stoppages for my liking.
Although I wonder if that's because of the game itself, or rather because of US television and their many "commercial breaks"
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Post by erisi236 on Feb 20, 2008 19:06:12 GMT -5
Proper football I prefer, obviously because I grew up with it. American football has too many stoppages for my liking. Although I wonder if that's because of the game itself, or rather because of US television and their many "commercial breaks" Well, the Gridiron has had the same basic rules since it's inception, and that was decades before TV was even invented.
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Post by HRH The KING on Feb 20, 2008 19:30:44 GMT -5
Proper football I prefer, obviously because I grew up with it. American football has too many stoppages for my liking. Although I wonder if that's because of the game itself, or rather because of US television and their many "commercial breaks" Well, the Gridiron has had the same basic rules since it's inception, and that was decades before TV was even invented. OK fair enough. So it IS the game itself.
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Post by MiLo Duck on Feb 20, 2008 19:38:24 GMT -5
I enjoy soccer fine and dandy, but it'll never be the American game. It's got the same basic flow as hockey which is faster and they have sticks. That and since we already have a sport like it, we probably won't marvel at a new one.
American Football does a lot of stops, and that's the point. It's the closest thing to a sports chess match. In soccer, hockey, or basketball the coach is mostly responsible for substitutions, motivation, and practices. In American Football the teams live and die by those men. The plays are just as important, or moreso, then the playmakers. Its much more engrossing because of the move, response, move combined with explosive onfield responses by the players.
Soccer gets a touch sluggish in the middle. Players get tired, and sort of hover on the field like the on field equuivalent of a series of wrest holds. American Football is designed to be more of a spotfest.
Finally there is the fact that we grew up with it. Just like you and your soccer. Its pounded right into our brains. If you want to be one of the guys, you get to know Football. If you want to talk to your father or other male relations about something, you talk football. You learn to love your home team, and despise with an unholy passion your rivals.
Soccer ain't happening in a big way over here. It'll get its audience, but it will never be what you think it should be. So deal.
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Post by HRH The KING on Feb 20, 2008 19:52:09 GMT -5
I enjoy soccer fine and dandy, but it'll never be the American game. It's got the same basic flow as hockey which is faster and they have sticks. That and since we already have a sport like it, we probably won't marvel at a new one. American Football does a lot of stops, and that's the point. It's the closest thing to a sports chess match. In soccer, hockey, or basketball the coach is mostly responsible for substitutions, motivation, and practices. In American Football the teams live and die by those men. The plays are just as important, or moreso, then the playmakers. Its much more engrossing because of the move, response, move combined with explosive onfield responses by the players. Soccer gets a touch sluggish in the middle. Players get tired, and sort of hover on the field like the on field equuivalent of a series of wrest holds. American Football is designed to be more of a spotfest. Finally there is the fact that we grew up with it. Just like you and your soccer. Its pounded right into our brains. If you want to be one of the guys, you get to know Football. If you want to talk to your father or other male relations about something, you talk football. You learn to love your home team, and despise with an unholy passion your rivals. Soccer ain't happening in a big way over here. It'll get its audience, but it will never be what you think it should be. So deal. Americans should never get confused. If football catches on in America, great. If it doesn't, the rest of the world will quite easily be able to "deal" with it, since we've managed since proper football was first established. America embracing football is a bonus. Something nice, but in no way essential.
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Post by MiLo Duck on Feb 20, 2008 20:00:35 GMT -5
I enjoy soccer fine and dandy, but it'll never be the American game. It's got the same basic flow as hockey which is faster and they have sticks. That and since we already have a sport like it, we probably won't marvel at a new one. American Football does a lot of stops, and that's the point. It's the closest thing to a sports chess match. In soccer, hockey, or basketball the coach is mostly responsible for substitutions, motivation, and practices. In American Football the teams live and die by those men. The plays are just as important, or moreso, then the playmakers. Its much more engrossing because of the move, response, move combined with explosive onfield responses by the players. Soccer gets a touch sluggish in the middle. Players get tired, and sort of hover on the field like the on field equuivalent of a series of wrest holds. American Football is designed to be more of a spotfest. Finally there is the fact that we grew up with it. Just like you and your soccer. Its pounded right into our brains. If you want to be one of the guys, you get to know Football. If you want to talk to your father or other male relations about something, you talk football. You learn to love your home team, and despise with an unholy passion your rivals. Soccer ain't happening in a big way over here. It'll get its audience, but it will never be what you think it should be. So deal. Americans should never get confused. If football catches on in America, great. If it doesn't, the rest of the world will quite easily be able to "deal" with it, since we've managed since proper football was first established. America embracing football is a bonus. Something nice, but in no way essential. Yeah, but all the non American soccer fans act like it should just happen and that they have some god given right to trash our game. I for one thought I'd sprain something rolling my eyes at them playing an NFL game in England. Same principle. England has their game, they don't want ours. Reverse the situation and see how we feel.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Feb 20, 2008 20:03:27 GMT -5
I mean come on about the toughness aspect. Wich strikes more fear running at you? This Or This. Plus American Football has This And stop saying proper football... Elitists. At least American football does not have men in short shorts. Note I do not mind soccer and stuff like that but its not the same
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Post by HRH The KING on Feb 20, 2008 20:08:15 GMT -5
Americans should never get confused. If football catches on in America, great. If it doesn't, the rest of the world will quite easily be able to "deal" with it, since we've managed since proper football was first established. America embracing football is a bonus. Something nice, but in no way essential. Yeah, but all the non American soccer fans act like it should just happen and that they have some god given right to trash our game. I for one thought I'd sprain something rolling my eyes at them playing an NFL game in England. Same principle. England has their game, they don't want ours. Reverse the situation and see how we feel. It's a two way thing. For every non-American who trashes grid-iron I see many Americans on message boards (they tend to be the majority of members anyway) calling football "gay" or whatever. As for the NFL in England, it's already happened and was quite a success at Wembley. They are coming back next October. Soccer in the United States is growing. The women's team have already been world champions. Proper world champions I mean. Not "world champions" like the NY Giants.
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Post by KingPopper on Feb 20, 2008 20:09:18 GMT -5
I can't read threw 7 pages of this crap, every four months.
Baseball & Hockey > Football & Football.
Anyways to ask a decent question to ask, how do "proper" football fans feel about Indoor Soccer which has rules like hockey and scoring like basketball.
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Post by HRH The KING on Feb 20, 2008 20:09:45 GMT -5
I mean come on about the toughness aspect. Wich strikes more fear running at you? This Or This. Plus American Football has This And stop saying proper football... Elitists. At least American football does not have men in short shorts. Note I do not mind soccer and stuff like that but its not the same If Zinedine Zidane was running at me, I would be fearful. The "shorts" thing makes no sense. Mike Tyson wore shorts while he boxed. I'd be afraid if I saw him running at me.
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