Do You Think CM Punk Could Win the Rumble?

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zeus said:

lol at Edge carrying Punk, come on now

I'll second this. I'm almost crying, it's that funny.

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demolition said:

primetime110 said:

It would be like Edge climbing down the latter to face punk. Instead of having 2 main event wrestlers steal the show and main event at WM. Edge/Orton vs punk would be like a letdown.

Even though I know Edge can carry Punk to a great match. But the promos before the match. Edge owns him. Like HHH did Cena.

LOL@Edge carrying Punk
LOL@Edge owning Punk on the mic

Punk can hang with anyone in WWE, especially Edge, so carrying won't be necessary. Same goes for mic work.

Title vs title, Edge vs Punk. That would be a show stealing match.

How many great matches has Edge carried someone (Cena, Batistia, Flair). Every promo he has gets his point across and draws in the fans.

How about Punk? Good not great matches with him and Morrison.
Has Punk ever had a meaningful promo or even a good promo?

Don't bring up the ROH crap. Thats like comparing a great running back in college with his stats an trying to say he is still a great running back in the NFL for 2 years even though not putting up the same numbers and is somewhat of a bust.

It might not be fair. But what he did in ROH has nothing to do with what he has done or not done in the WWE. He is not in the top ten in crowd reactions.

Plus, What would be in it for Edge or Orton. The ECW title? Get real.

[Cypress]

Countless good matches and several great matches with Burke, Morrison, and tho it was short, Stevie Richards.

great promos when he turned heel, great promo with vince, hasnt really had much time to talk, he will be 100x better when he turns heel, remember how corny edge was when he was a face?

hes a top 10 face in terms of crowd reaction, he gets a cm punk chant in just about every match, how many others can say that?

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zeus said:

Countless good matches and several great matches with Burke, Morrison, and tho it was short, Stevie Richards.

great promos when he turned heel, great promo with vince, hasnt really had much time to talk, he will be 100x better when he turns heel, remember how corny edge was when he was a face?

hes a top 10 face in terms of crowd reaction, he gets a cm punk chant in just about every match, how many others can say that?

1. HHH
2. Cena
3. HBK
4. Undertaker
5. Jeff Hardy
6. Matt Hardy
7. Batisia
8. Rey
9.Y2J
10. Flair
11. Kane

Heels that get better reactions.

1. Edge
2. Orton
3. MVP
4. Vince
5. Umaga
6. Kenndey

Go ahead and blame the writers.

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disagree 110%, lol at HHH being number one, Hardy gets bigger pops than him every week, its not even close. Umaga and Kennedy, lol yeah right.

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zeus said:

disagree 110%, lol at HHH being number one, Hardy gets bigger pops than him every week, its not even close. Umaga and Kennedy, lol yeah right.

The top 10 face reactions are in no certain order. No doubt Hardy gets bigger pops than anyone.

If Punk was as popular as some think he is ECW ratings wouldn't be where they are. Very low. Doesn't matter who else is on the show if you want to see punk people will watch the show.

[TheMediocreWarrior]

primetime110 said:

demolition said:

LOL@Edge carrying Punk
LOL@Edge owning Punk on the mic

Punk can hang with anyone in WWE, especially Edge, so carrying won't be necessary. Same goes for mic work.

Title vs title, Edge vs Punk. That would be a show stealing match.

How many great matches has Edge carried someone (Cena, Batistia, Flair). Every promo he has gets his point across and draws in the fans.

How about Punk? Good not great matches with him and Morrison.
Has Punk ever had a meaningful promo or even a good promo?

Don't bring up the ROH crap. Thats like comparing a great running back in college with his stats an trying to say he is still a great running back in the NFL for 2 years even though not putting up the same numbers and is somewhat of a bust.

It might not be fair. But what he did in ROH has nothing to do with what he has done or not done in the WWE. He is not in the top ten in crowd reactions.

Plus, What would be in it for Edge or Orton. The ECW title? Get real.

I agree.

I criticize Punk a little, but it's usually just to counteract all the Punk circlejerking. I know the guy is good, but the IWC Golden Boy thing gets old in my opinion. ROH and WWE are totally different beasts. ROH caters to smarks, WWE provides good wrestling but a lot of it has to do with having a character and appealing to a wider fanbase. Punk can succeed in WWE in time, but he shouldn't be pushed to the moon just because he did really well in a promotion that caters to a small part of the wrestling audience.

At this point, going just by what has happened in WWE, Edge has been able to establish an effective heel character and has had several memorable feuds and storylines. CM Punk has gotten a decent reaction, but he's mainly been main eventing on a show that is glorified Heat.

[The Thread Barbi]

I, too, have yet to see what is so spectacular about CM Punk. Yes, I've seen ROH and his "amazing" mic skills and wrestling ability. In no way, shape or form is it better or more spectacular, than anything, say, Owen Hart had done. He's lucky to be where he is, because its 2007/2008.

In the Golden Era (80s upto 1992), CM Punk would have been a glorified jobber, like Battle Kat.
In the Attitude Era/Monday Night Wars - he'd probably be a solid mid-card cruiserweight in WCW.
Only in today's WWE can he be the third tier World champion, on a brand that has been pushed half-heartedly by the company.

[tigermaskxxxvii]

johnforth said:

kennyisill said:

Oh.. Punk... Strawberry's still here... sorry

Dr. Andrews:Batista, It's Gigantism.

so does this mean Hardcore Holly and Barney are going to get into a fight as to who the best British prime minister was, Palmerston or Pitt?

[DrewVonAwesome]

All I'm going to throw into this debate is really... bringing the ratings into this isn't fair. Outside of Punk, what is there on ECW that would make you go out of your way to tune in? (And even as a big CM Punk mark... I wouldn't go out of my way to watch ECW)

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magicallystoopid said:

All I'm going to throw into this debate is really... bringing the ratings into this isn't fair. Outside of Punk, what is there on ECW that would make you go out of your way to tune in? (And even as a big CM Punk mark... I wouldn't go out of my way to watch ECW)

i think thats sort of the point, though. many people i know used to watch JUST to see the rock, or austin. plenty used to watch a show just for hogan or flair or sting, or the nwo. if he was really so popular, people would watch just for him. thats why when people say he's not a draw, the ratings arguement is valid, at least imho.

but i can also understand the arguement that the show isnt promoted at all, so many people may not even know who he is.

[Moonwalkin' Capt. Crow]

blindheartagram said:

ejm said:

'What happened to Undertaker?'

'No idea'

*shows Undertaker falling through a dimentional portal*

'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!'

McMahon: Dammit, Snitsky, I told you to shave those sideburns!
Snitsky: It wasn't my fault!

Batista is busy saving everything inside a burning womans house....too bad...

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popogijo said:

magicallystoopid said:

All I'm going to throw into this debate is really... bringing the ratings into this isn't fair. Outside of Punk, what is there on ECW that would make you go out of your way to tune in? (And even as a big CM Punk mark... I wouldn't go out of my way to watch ECW)

i think thats sort of the point, though. many people i know used to watch JUST to see the rock, or austin. plenty used to watch a show just for hogan or flair or sting, or the nwo. if he was really so popular, people would watch just for him. thats why when people say he's not a draw, the ratings arguement is valid, at least imho.

but i can also understand the arguement that the show isnt promoted at all, so many people may not even know who he is.

I watch an entire Impact to see Sting. I watch Smackdown to see Edge. Everything between might no be great but not terrible at all.

Bottom is if Punk's fan can't watch an 1 hour show( In which alot of people say thats a good thing about ECW. Quickpace mathes and doesn't drag out). And yet, Punks "fans" can't sit through the hour show to see him. Which = decreased ratings and maybe time to get a real champ in who can add some spice to the show.

[mcmahonfan85]

primetime110 said:

demolition said:

LOL@Edge carrying Punk
LOL@Edge owning Punk on the mic

Punk can hang with anyone in WWE, especially Edge, so carrying won't be necessary. Same goes for mic work.

Title vs title, Edge vs Punk. That would be a show stealing match.

How many great matches has Edge carried someone (Cena, Batistia, Flair). Every promo he has gets his point across and draws in the fans.

How about Punk? Good not great matches with him and Morrison.
Has Punk ever had a meaningful promo or even a good promo?

Don't bring up the ROH crap. Thats like comparing a great running back in college with his stats an trying to say he is still a great running back in the NFL for 2 years even though not putting up the same numbers and is somewhat of a bust.

It might not be fair. But what he did in ROH has nothing to do with what he has done or not done in the WWE. He is not in the top ten in crowd reactions.

Plus, What would be in it for Edge or Orton. The ECW title? Get real.

so don't compare Punk to a guy who was a good running back in college and then never being given an actual opportunity in the NFL?

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mcmahonfan85 said:

primetime110 said:

How many great matches has Edge carried someone (Cena, Batistia, Flair). Every promo he has gets his point across and draws in the fans.

How about Punk? Good not great matches with him and Morrison.
Has Punk ever had a meaningful promo or even a good promo?

Don't bring up the ROH crap. Thats like comparing a great running back in college with his stats an trying to say he is still a great running back in the NFL for 2 years even though not putting up the same numbers and is somewhat of a bust.

It might not be fair. But what he did in ROH has nothing to do with what he has done or not done in the WWE. He is not in the top ten in crowd reactions.

Plus, What would be in it for Edge or Orton. The ECW title? Get real.

so don't compare Punk to a guy who was a good running back in college and then never being given an actual opportunity in the NFL?

I believe Punk is the ECW champ. Punk hasn't been held back. He has been given this opportunity and its not going to well. So if your the heavyweight champ of your show and does bad ratings and the crowd is asleep......Alot of that goes to the champ. There is not too many people looking forward to Punk matches every week. Or wondering who he will face.

So comparing him as a great college RB and not doing so well in the big leagues is legit.

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primetime110 said:

mcmahonfan85 said:

so don't compare Punk to a guy who was a good running back in college and then never being given an actual opportunity in the NFL?

I believe Punk is the ECW champ. Punk hasn't been held back. He has been given this opportunity and its not going to well. So if your the heavyweight champ of your show and does bad ratings and the crowd is asleep......Alot of that goes to the champ. There is not too many people looking forward to Punk matches every week. Or wondering who he will face.

So comparing him as a great college RB and not doing so well in the big leagues is legit.

Since you like the football analogies so much, here's one for ya. I'd actually compare Punk to this year's New England Patriots and the rest of the ECW roster to this year's Miami Dolphins.
Everyone and their dead grandmother knew the Pats were gonna kill the Dolphins when they played each other, so I doubt casual fans were interested in the game. I think most people feel that Punk has been booked to be far better than anyone on the ECW roster that no one actually thinks anyone's he's matched up against has a chance, thus the casual fans don't watch.

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demolition said:

primetime110 said:

I believe Punk is the ECW champ. Punk hasn't been held back. He has been given this opportunity and its not going to well. So if your the heavyweight champ of your show and does bad ratings and the crowd is asleep......Alot of that goes to the champ. There is not too many people looking forward to Punk matches every week. Or wondering who he will face.

So comparing him as a great college RB and not doing so well in the big leagues is legit.

Since you like the football analogies so much, here's one for ya. I'd actually compare Punk to this year's New England Patriots and the rest of the ECW roster to this year's Miami Dolphins.
Everyone and their dead grandmother knew the Pats were gonna kill the Dolphins when they played each other, so I doubt casual fans were interested in the game. I think most people feel that Punk has been booked to be far better than anyone on the ECW roster that no one actually thinks anyone's he's matched up against has a chance, thus the casual fans don't watch.

IMO I don't think the casual fan cares. People are not into punk like some people would like for everyone to believe.

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demolition said:

primetime110 said:

I believe Punk is the ECW champ. Punk hasn't been held back. He has been given this opportunity and its not going to well. So if your the heavyweight champ of your show and does bad ratings and the crowd is asleep......Alot of that goes to the champ. There is not too many people looking forward to Punk matches every week. Or wondering who he will face.

So comparing him as a great college RB and not doing so well in the big leagues is legit.

Since you like the football analogies so much, here's one for ya. I'd actually compare Punk to this year's New England Patriots and the rest of the ECW roster to this year's Miami Dolphins.
Everyone and their dead grandmother knew the Pats were gonna kill the Dolphins when they played each other, so I doubt casual fans were interested in the game. I think most people feel that Punk has been booked to be far better than anyone on the ECW roster that no one actually thinks anyone's he's matched up against has a chance, thus the casual fans don't watch.

i hate football. i only used that football analogy because the other guy used the football analogy.

and to Primetime i never said he was held back wrestling-wise. the other guy said that Punk can't give a good interview because he hasn't given one in WWE and to exclude his ROH/indy stuff (that would be his football analogy). my point of "not given an actual opportunity" is that he gave great promos in ROH but how many opportunities in WWE has he been given to go out and give an honest to god promo, not just backstage "My name is CM Punk and I wrestle" (lets see that would be...oh...um, never).

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mcmahonfan85 said:

demolition said:

Since you like the football analogies so much, here's one for ya. I'd actually compare Punk to this year's New England Patriots and the rest of the ECW roster to this year's Miami Dolphins.
Everyone and their dead grandmother knew the Pats were gonna kill the Dolphins when they played each other, so I doubt casual fans were interested in the game. I think most people feel that Punk has been booked to be far better than anyone on the ECW roster that no one actually thinks anyone's he's matched up against has a chance, thus the casual fans don't watch.

i hate football. i only used that football analogy because the other guy used the football analogy.

and to Primetime i never said he was held back wrestling-wise. the other guy said that Punk can't give a good interview because he hasn't given one in WWE and to exclude his ROH/indy stuff (that would be his football analogy). my point of "not given an actual opportunity" is that he gave great promos in ROH but how many opportunities in WWE has he been given to go out and give an honest to god promo, not just backstage "My name is CM Punk and I wrestle" (lets see that would be...oh...um, never).

He talked backstage with Vince. He had an in ring interview ( then someone came out and to interup, I believe it might have been Burke) I was waiting for Punk to rip into him. But didn't.

Lets not forget the in ring promo with Chavo when Chavo asked for a title match. Going back and forth. Nothing awesome to it.