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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Jan 19, 2008 0:12:59 GMT -5
Do you shun what's going on in the news because of certain aspects you'd rather be without? Pretty much, yeah. I read the news to look for what I feel is important as opposed to watching a ton of bullshit about Britney Spears becoming a has been. Plus, wrestlers kind of need to be shoved down the fan's throats to get over. That's kind of what a push is.
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Jan 19, 2008 1:05:00 GMT -5
Plus, wrestlers kind of need to be shoved down the fan's throats to get over. Traditionally, pushing someone was a result of the crowd's reacting to a certain wrestler unsolicited. I'm not saying there hasn't been guys manufactured by the company, but back in the day, the fans almost always decided who got opportunity by cheering or booing them feverishly one way or the other. Today's WWE is like one big production line. Everything is predictable and manufactured, and the company very seldom changes their terrible (main event) plans, despite how much it doesn't seem to catch on. That's the reason why people bemoan Lashley as Champ. Not because he's better or worse than Punk, but because the crowd did not choose him as their standard bearer (that was RVD at the time) and WWE instead chose to force his title reign and push it on the crowds rather than follow the more emotionally-invested, established storyline of cheated champion (kayfabe-wise) Rob Van Dam's pursuit of regaining his World Title. Lashley was a hand-picked champion by Vince. Had he had about 3 months of solid build leading up to a big title win, I'd have bought him more. But he didn't, and it didn't work. Now, as far as Punk goes; well, I really like Punk, but he's so obviously just the right guy at the right time. He's just basically treading water right now. There's no "oomph" or excitement to his reign. It's so painfully obvious that he's not the Office's favorite, because he's basically an Intercontinental level champion on a show he's supposed to be the star of. Comparing him to Lashley is apples and oranges. One was a forced manufactured champion who was handed his mantle and pushed stubbornly as the be all, end all. While the other is a guy who gets treated as just another wrestler, with zero character development, is hardly ever the show's total focal point, and is basically a midcarder who just so happens to be their brand's champion. They're really total opposites on the WWE scale, really.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 19, 2008 10:26:06 GMT -5
Punk is the ECW Champ, yes... but, WWE hasn't really pulled the trigger on him yet. Once he turns heel and goes full-on into the "I'm straight-edge and better than you" persona... he'll get over like gangbusters. He can pile heat upon himself and has the charisma to go toe-to-toe vocally with anybody. The promo he cut with Foley at Sign Of Dishonor was damn good. And, in my opinion, his promo at Wrestlerave was of "Cane Dewey" levels of awesomeness as he effectively turned Raven's entire character around and used it against him.
Also, notice who Punk is going against... generally it's people like Chavo, Kenny Dykstra, Jamie Noble, and the like. Nothing against them... but you just know if they were booked against Orton or Edge, they'd be plowed over in a minute. Punk is beaten to shit in every match, it doesn't really add a lot of credibility to the ECW champion when he's barely getting past Smackdown curtain-jerkers every week.
Honestly, if the WWE wants to really make a push for Punk.... I'd like to see him drop the ECW title to Chavo next week. Then build to a Punk/MVP match at Wrestlemania for the US Title. That could be a potential show-stealer if they're both given adequate promo.
Although, I will concede to this point. Regardless of what people say about his push in TNA. At least Samoa Joe has been near the top of the card ever since leaving the X-Division. Joe's character has remained, more or less in tact... whereas Punk has been given an underdog role, similar to Rey Misterio... which is not what got Punk to his level of IWC-love.
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Post by don on Jan 19, 2008 11:14:07 GMT -5
That's the thing, though. Everyone keeps going to CM Punk's pre-WWE accomplishments. I stated in the first post that the past was irrelevant. I don't care about the independent shows he stole. Hell, before his neck injury, Buff Bagwell was a pretty decent wrestler. That doesn't get him any sort of acclaim on here. Also, his debut in front of fans who knew him is absolutely the reason that he is where he is right now. I can name 2 wrestlers in ECW who had just as good, if not better vignettes. (Kevin Thorne and Shannon Moore (before being punked by Punk in his own vignette.)) Had these guys debuted in front of a crowd who already knew and loved them, who knows where they and Punk would be right now?
And for people to say he's just better than Lashley in every way is laughable. Lashley busted out moves that a man his size should never be able to do. I will concede that he was forced down our throats and his title run was tainted by the cliche "boss vs. employee" feud. However, just like Punk didn't book his current title picture and is making the best of what he has, so was Lashley. Also, how can the same people who used to make fun of Cena's "five moves of doom" really call CM Punk a great worker. CM Punk has 3 moves (in WWE, not the independents) that he uses. Four, if you count getting his ass kicked for the majority of the match.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Jan 19, 2008 12:20:58 GMT -5
Even the names you marked off the list punk is still behind quite a few wrestlers. This guy has been hyped to no end by SOME of the IWC and the hardcore ROH fans. I don't think anyone is denying that. But once again for someone who is almost exclusive to a show that doesn't get near as many viewers as the other two shows, he is quite popular. Especially comparing him to the other guys in ECW. And not to mention that guys who get bigger pops than him have also been around and pushed longer than Punk has. Punk hasn't even been in the company for two years and is still stuck on ECW where viewership is half of Smackdown's and three times less than Raw's. And yet he still gets a better reaction than a lot of guys the company has tried to push over the years and the only people that get better reactions are the guys who've been around and pushed constantly over the years.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 19, 2008 12:21:46 GMT -5
And you're exactly the type of fan Punk's appeal is lost on. The past is irrelevant to you, but it isn't to those who watched him on the independent scene. It's not like the second he walks into the WWE, we toss out his matches with Samoa Joe, cross our arms and say, "Okay, Phil Brooks, earn our love again." It's already there, and that's why it sucks to see him in this position right now where he's getting his ass pounded every night then squeaking out a win at the end.
MVP has gotten tons of love due to his work in the independents, same for Paul London, Brian Kendrick, hell... Colin Delaney gets a LOT of love for his work in Chikara. The love is already there because it was earned. We can't and won't shut off our love for Punk just because he's not being showcased to the extent that he's capable of.
However, I really think what WWE is doing is seeing how far Punk can go with what they're giving him right now. He's actually done pretty well... certainly better than Orton and Edge's first year and a half in the company.. and look where they are now. They have a lot locked away for a rainy day with Punk as a heel... he can cut a promo like nobody's business and hang with anybody in the company as long as he's allowed the heel schtick. Once the eventual heel turn happens, a LOT of eyes will be opened to Punk and a lot of doubters silenced. However.... right now, Punk is still in the infancy of his WWE career, he's getting decent pops and still paying his dues...
Bobby Lashley.... I had never heard of him before the WWE. CM Punk, on the other hand, I was hearing about for quite a while before I actually gave in and watched an ROH show.
I'm not sitting saying my word is law, just that Punk has been earning his respect for years. Kevin Thorne really hasn't done a lot other than be Mordecai for a few months and an Undertaker clone in OVW. Shannon Moore's best notorious for being overshadowed.... in 3-Count, Helms was the breakout star... then as an MF'er.. he was just secondary to Matt Hardy. Moore's a good worker.. but he hasn't done anything to really stand out like Punk has.
And while I understand where you're coming from in the "The past is irrelevant" argument.... that only works for those who have no knowledge of Punk on the independent scene. Because we know what he's capable of and that's just not going away. WWE has a goldmine in Punk, it's just not an opportune time to explore that possibility.
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Post by don on Jan 19, 2008 12:37:05 GMT -5
To the above poster, BlindSlayer, thanks for responding in an educated and friendly manner. Just because we have differing opinions on this subject does not mean that it needs to evolve into a childish pissing match, which I see happen all too often on these boards.
Now, onto the subject: I understand that people love Punk because they have seen him perform at really high levels before; I'm just saying that your average fan doesn't search for those tapes and matches and all they see of Punk is his ECW material, which to me is bland at best.
(I know that I seem like a Punk-hater in this topic. I actually like his independent work. It's just that if it were any other wrestler I think the IWC would be asking, "What has he done lately?")
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Post by primetime110 on Jan 19, 2008 13:03:29 GMT -5
Punk is the ECW Champ, yes... but, WWE hasn't really pulled the trigger on him yet. Once he turns heel and goes full-on into the "I'm straight-edge and better than you" persona... he'll get over like gangbusters. He can pile heat upon himself and has the charisma to go toe-to-toe vocally with anybody. The promo he cut with Foley at Sign Of Dishonor was damn good. And, in my opinion, his promo at Wrestlerave was of "Cane Dewey" levels of awesomeness as he effectively turned Raven's entire character around and used it against him. Also, notice who Punk is going against... generally it's people like Chavo, Kenny Dykstra, Jamie Noble, and the like. Nothing against them... but you just know if they were booked against Orton or Edge, they'd be plowed over in a minute. Punk is beaten to crap in every match, it doesn't really add a lot of credibility to the ECW champion when he's barely getting past Smackdown curtain-jerkers every week. Honestly, if the WWE wants to really make a push for Punk.... I'd like to see him drop the ECW title to Chavo next week. Then build to a Punk/MVP match at Wrestlemania for the US Title. That could be a potential show-stealer if they're both given adequate promo. Although, I will concede to this point. Regardless of what people say about his push in TNA. At least Samoa Joe has been near the top of the card ever since leaving the X-Division. Joe's character has remained, more or less in tact... whereas Punk has been given an underdog role, similar to Rey Misterio... which is not what got Punk to his level of IWC-love. If the WWE turns Punk heel. Its not automatic that the "I'm straight-edge and better than you" gimmick will be used. It could be a Joe whining his ass of gimmick. He could be part, Not the leader of a stable. But then again it could be the gimmick you said in your post. So if he does turn heel. Lord only knows what WWE has in store. And the Lord may not even know.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 19, 2008 13:36:06 GMT -5
It seems to me that if they want to keep the "straight-edge superstar" thing, they would want to go with the "I'm better than you" thing. But, you're right.. that's all speculation and wishful thinking on my part.
Also, to Don.... again, I understand where you're coming from and I know that's why he's not blowing the roof off arenas because he really hasn't been showcased to the best of his abilities. The majority of the fans he's playing to now know nothing of his indy work, I don't think that has ever been denied.
For me, I get frustrated seeing him sell for Kenny Dykstra as if he were Triple H or Hogan, then Dykstra being destroyed in three seconds by Batista. But, at the same time.... every time Punk shows up on the screen I'm just thankful I'm seeing him on TV every week, rather than having to wait for a DVD to come out two or three months after the fact. I suppose that helps with the fandom... plus, I'm happy he's making a big payday in the WWE as he certainly deserves it. Just, rather than bitch and moan about how he's being "misused" in WWE, I try to concentrate on what's being done right.... IE: ECW Champion, allowed to keep the straight-edge gimmick, allowed to keep his name, and getting some good exposure on both ECW and Smackdown.
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Post by odanobunaga on Jan 19, 2008 13:46:10 GMT -5
At least CM Punk ring antics don´t feel forced or unnatural. Also, he wasn´t pushed like he was some kind of unstopable force.
I mean, have you freaking watched december to dismember? Elimination Chamber could be it´s name changed to "Lashley Push".
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Post by Professor Chaos on Jan 19, 2008 15:18:58 GMT -5
Punk if far superior than Lashley in ring work and mic skills. Lashley should take Snitsky's rule... big dude that doesn't say anything and just kicks peoples ass.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Jan 19, 2008 17:21:23 GMT -5
I just have one problem with Punk, and that is that he constantly has to battle back against guys his own size that aren't really relevant on their OWN show. It's making Punk look like the best of the worst, as he's the champion of a bunch of losers. Champions like that are really boring, as you can almost see how the match is going to end almost halfway through.
This is what many people complained about with Cena, only it actually makes SENSE for him. He's the top guy in the company and he has to fight against guys who are bigger and more experience than him. You have Punk going up against all these young guys who are about his size, and he's seen to be struggling. It makes you wonder why they're champion in the first place. If you can show that Punk IS one of the top three wrestlers in the company (And I mean that as he has one of the top titles on a brand), THEN you have a champion.
That's a double-edged sword itself though, because then you run the risk of having your champion be TOO dominant, like Bobby Lashley. But then again Lashley could've been good IF he had been built up towards being champion, like Punk was. Lashley could've bulldozed his way through ECW, beating all the contenders BEFORE beating Show, but they were just rushing to get the belt off of Big Show, and instead of giving it to RVD, who they had been BUILDING towards a second title run, they went to the second biggest guy.
If they would've had Lashley just go through the roster, then beat down RVD, THEN that's when you have a good dominant champion, and you wonder who (which granted, probably would've been Punk or... you know who else it could've been) could actually beat him. THAT'S the problem with both Punk and Lashley. With Punk, it looks like anyone can beat him at any time, and with Lashley, it didn't seem like anyone could beat him, but he wasn't built up towards being the dominant champion UNTIL he was champion. Kinda like another big man who was a champion in a different company.
Also, it doesn't help if your dominant face champion gets DQed for beating the crap out of a heel with a chair.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jan 19, 2008 18:45:40 GMT -5
Only if the movie "The Debater's" was based on this thread then it would be the best movie ever.
I don't really have that much to say since everyone has pretty much summed up everything.
We should be happy Punk wasn't turned into cookie cutter jobber upon his arrival. The fact that they kept him the way he was look-wise and is a testament to his pre-WWE days.
Plus we know that WWE has a lot of plans for people that are higher on the totem pole right now so they have to come firts. We just had a taste of Edge and Punk interacting, which is something everybody should want. It also seems like they have been in at standstill with ECW's direction, but the feuds and characters are there.
We never know what's gonna come next, ya know.
They've finally given me a reason to tolerate Chucky P. and McCool so anything is possible.
Believe me, there are plenty of guys on the indy's that if they signed to WWE and were misused from the start when they already have a sure thing going........................i'd be pissed (Pick a top ROH guy and imagine a Lennt and Lodi style make ove).
Yes there are guys on screen now that shouldn't be on screen ahead of Punk imo (In reference to the Dykstra argument). But the sad truth is even our heroes are bit players in a major production and maybe one day they get the major roles, but we have to understand that their priorities are different from ours.
Just think how crazy things will be when Lashley and Cena return. Just having WWE's verison of CM Punk will be a blessing in itself.
I'm only saddened by the amount of talent that's on ECW that is not/hasn't been showcased. It could have been a great stand alone show without the merger. It just need a couple of guys from OVW and it would have been set. Not used as a Raw recap show or Smackdown's third hour. Estrada could be on screen more, but not the typical heel GM. Joey and Taz could shy away sounding like goons. If anything, at least give the show a hint of the rebellious nature. ECW has just had some horrible luck this past year and a half with booking and people who are not there anymore. Angle, Show, RVD, Benoit, Sabu, Sandman, STEVIE, Ariel, Burke in a major role, Dreamer, and where's Balls?. Plus the crap with Lashley's reign and Vince's reign as ECW champion. All of these have contributed to what was right and wrong. Even with these problems, ECW was more tolerable than Raw. Smackdown was the A-show before the draft.
We have to take into consideration the horrible year WWE has had in as a whole.
Everything won't be solved with a Punk heel turn, just let some of the personality come out. I just can stand the lack of mic time he's had as champion. And sometimes I feel that there is some stubbornness in the creative department when it comes to what would work versus what they want to force to work. Trust me. THey know what they have.
My dream scenario if Lashley came back to ECW have them both be faces in an indirect feud for the ECW title since there are more heels than face. We have Shelton, Lashley, Burke, Punk, and Chavo who are all capable of putting on great matches. They have something special with Burke, Shelton, and Chavo because they are all three different types of heels. Punk and Lashley have different looks and styles. Fans are familiar with these five guys and are marketable. Makes sense to me.
They have a window to do some cool things with this merger that hasn't been done yet. Also, that letter that Dreamer wrote which is on the first page of WWE Current might be a good indicator of what's to come.
Vote CM Punk.
Well I guess I had a lot to say. But this a debate like this is great for the brain.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 19, 2008 22:04:49 GMT -5
I'm going to throw my two cents in, having little access to independent work of guys like CM Punk so I won't comment on him. Lashley however is just massively uninteresing, you can't buy him being aggressive because he looks tough and everything but his face and voice kill that vibe. He sounds like a pubescent kid and essentially has a baby face. Fine then, they use him as a babyface. However, he comes off as a highly generic big man who is a decent amateur wrestler.
What can you do to make him stand out then? He can't get over based on his personality because of his general lack of charisma so you are left to get him over thorugh wrestling ability. This brings us back to when he was champion and defending against guys like Hardcore Holly and Test. Neither are decent workers so how can you get him over on in-ring ability?
It is a dilemma
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 19, 2008 23:23:27 GMT -5
Punk's interaction with Edge was fairly decent. The thing is that some wrestlers have more backing from the writers than others, so more good material is written for them, leaving the scraps for the others. HHH gets all of the good face lines (not to mention sits in on the meetings) and shares them with HBK. Edge is the top heel and champ on SD, plus it always seemed to me that it is easier to wing awesome heel promos than awesome face ones. Some of those who are not impressed with Punk would probably be a little more impressed with him as an arrogant prick heel. He has shown he can do it decent enough that he could wing it well enough.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 19, 2008 23:30:39 GMT -5
I just have one problem with Punk, and that is that he constantly has to battle back against guys his own size that aren't really relevant on their OWN show. It's making Punk look like the best of the worst, as he's the champion of a bunch of losers. Champions like that are really boring, as you can almost see how the match is going to end almost halfway through. This is what many people complained about with Cena, only it actually makes SENSE for him. He's the top guy in the company and he has to fight against guys who are bigger and more experience than him. You have Punk going up against all these young guys who are about his size, and he's seen to be struggling. It makes you wonder why they're champion in the first place. If you can show that Punk IS one of the top three wrestlers in the company (And I mean that as he has one of the top titles on a brand), THEN you have a champion. That's a double-edged sword itself though, because then you run the risk of having your champion be TOO dominant, like Bobby Lashley. But then again Lashley could've been good IF he had been built up towards being champion, like Punk was. Lashley could've bulldozed his way through ECW, beating all the contenders BEFORE beating Show, but they were just rushing to get the belt off of Big Show, and instead of giving it to RVD, who they had been BUILDING towards a second title run, they went to the second biggest guy. If they would've had Lashley just go through the roster, then beat down RVD, THEN that's when you have a good dominant champion, and you wonder who (which granted, probably would've been Punk or... you know who else it could've been) could actually beat him. THAT'S the problem with both Punk and Lashley. With Punk, it looks like anyone can beat him at any time, and with Lashley, it didn't seem like anyone could beat him, but he wasn't built up towards being the dominant champion UNTIL he was champion. Kinda like another big man who was a champion in a different company. Also, it doesn't help if your dominant face champion gets DQed for beating the crap out of a heel with a chair. To be fair, I think that while Heyman WAS rushing to get the belt off of the Big Show, he supposedly wanted Lashley to step into Show's role as his corporate champ, complete with help from the Bashams and Heyman as his mouthpiece. Unfortunately, he got set up to fail with December to Dismember, and was not around to make that happen. If he had been, they would have continued to build RVD to the title.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 19, 2008 23:36:53 GMT -5
And you're exactly the type of fan Punk's appeal is lost on. The past is irrelevant to you, but it isn't to those who watched him on the independent scene. It's not like the second he walks into the WWE, we toss out his matches with Samoa Joe, cross our arms and say, "Okay, Phil Brooks, earn our love again." It's already there, and that's why it sucks to see him in this position right now where he's getting his ass pounded every night then squeaking out a win at the end. MVP has gotten tons of love due to his work in the independents, same for Paul London, Brian Kendrick, hell... Colin Delaney gets a LOT of love for his work in Chikara. The love is already there because it was earned. We can't and won't shut off our love for Punk just because he's not being showcased to the extent that he's capable of. Bah I only started to like Punk in WWE and I'm comparing his work now. MVP was universally hated when he debuted in WWE because we did not get to see anything in him until after 5 months into his debut. Not to mention his stints in FIP and ROH were pretty much unmemorable. He basically made his name in WWE, he did wrestle in the indies, but so did Kennedy, and Umaga. It is through them getting the time to show their talent that fans started to take to them. London and Kendrick would put on good matches on free TV whether they be in tags or singles. CM Punk on the other hand was lauded as THE NEXT COMING! HE SHOULD BE GIVEN AN ULTIMATE WARRIOR PUSH! OMG HE JUST LOST HE'S GETTING BURIED! Every week here on the crap, that made a lot of people have apathy towards him because, A LOT of people were praising him based on his past work and not what he currently does. What he currently does is have a good match, have okay yet stilted promos, and in general is still young and still learning. Though I know WWE has given the title to guys like Yokozuna, The Undertaker, Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle, Hulk Hogan, and Diesel the main belt within a year of their debut...Punk is an entirely different kind of wrestler.. He doesn't have the credentials of a Kurt Angle or Lesnar. He did have the national TV exposure that Hogan had with Rocky III and the AWA. He didn't have the size of Yoko, Taker, or Diesel. He's more or less, the 3rd most important champion in WWE, meaning the guy that WWE is grooming for the top spot in the near future. The same situation as Rock, Austin, HHH, and Savage before him. WWE is still building HIS legacy. Saying he deserves his spot based on what he did in ROH is total bunk, and he has his fans sure, but I don't think he's being wasted. I think right now he's being used in a way that fans won't get tired of him. He usually works both ECW (which is a live show) and smackdown weekly. the announcers are sure to always point out that he is the ECW champion. Also he's always guarranteed a spot on the PPV. Fans know who he is, and that's a good thing. I say that possibly this year Punk/Batista or Punk/Cena could headline summerslam for a World/WWE title match and not look outmatched. Back to my original point, I REALLY want to see Lashley/Punk for the ECW title at wrestlemania, as it wouldn't just be a good match, it'd be 2 different schools of thought. Lashley the guy hand picked to be the champ, and the guy who is champ because of all the drug allegations and because there was nobody else left. Then Let's think of the possibilities. Punk/Lashley vs. M&M.. Punk vs. Lashley LAshley vs. Benjiman The fabled Lashley/Benjiman/Burke/Kingston/MVP/BDV/Henry stable that everyone seems to want...
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Post by Tyfo on Jan 20, 2008 0:00:45 GMT -5
I also look at it like this with Lashley.
The 3 typically disliked bigger stars are Lashley, Cena, and Batista.
Batista earned his push. He spent years as an enforcer type for Triple H and Ric Flair, and ended up getting over to the point that fans were begging for him to stand up to Hunter and turn on him. Which he did and it worked well, because the fans practically demanded it.
John Cena earned his push. He was massively over for about 2 years before he finally moved into the main event picture. He got so over as a heel that they had no choice but to turn him face because of the demand of the crowd (of course they also eventually killed his gimmick and made him into whatever he is now, dropping half his fan base, but we don't need to go into that now). By the time he won his first World title at WrestleMania 21, the fans were more then ready for it.
Then theres Bobby Lashley. He had been on Smackdown for about a year. He was a respectable midcard guy, was decently over, and did some pretty good work in his feud with Finlay. Then out of nowhere, he's moved over to ECW and within a couple of weeks is their World Champion. The fans sure as hell did not demand that. It was quite clear that Rob Van Dam was the crowd favorite for that position. They had spent MONTHS building Van Dam up to this moment, and at the last minute, here comes some Smackdown midcard guy to take the spotlight. Hell, the dude got booed at December to Dismember by a more then noticeable portion of the crowd.
If Lashley was over HUGE like Cena and Batista were when they finally got their big push, then I would have completely understood it. But he wasn't and I still don't understand why they did it.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 20, 2008 8:35:38 GMT -5
Umaga gets NO reaction, seriously are you deaf? Y2J hasn't gotten a big reaction since he re-debuted so that's a no. Kane doesn't really get that big of a reaction, neither does Finlay. For someone who is on the least watched show, Punk is doing a pretty damn good job of getting fan support. They get a better reaction than Punk. I must have been deaf tonight as well has Punk got a little reaction on Smackdown. Or I must be deaf everytime Punk comes out because I don't hear the reaction and love that the ROH followers want everyone to believe. Even the names you marked off the list punk is still behind quite a few wrestlers. This guy has been hyped to no end by SOME of the IWC and the hardcore ROH fans. Its the same deal with Joe on the TNA board. Actually Joe gets quite a good reaction when he enters the arena, people chant his name most of the time when he comes out there.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 20, 2008 11:32:26 GMT -5
They get a better reaction than Punk. I must have been deaf tonight as well has Punk got a little reaction on Smackdown. Or I must be deaf everytime Punk comes out because I don't hear the reaction and love that the ROH followers want everyone to believe. Even the names you marked off the list punk is still behind quite a few wrestlers. This guy has been hyped to no end by SOME of the IWC and the hardcore ROH fans. Its the same deal with Joe on the TNA board. Actually Joe gets quite a good reaction when he enters the arena, people chant his name most of the time when he comes out there. Well, chanting "Joe's gonna kill you!" is pretty fun.
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