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Post by rra on Jan 15, 2008 0:49:42 GMT -5
From PW Torch.com.....
"It was smart, first of all, not to actually give away a singles match between Hardy and Orton. After the big move by Hardy, few will be complaining they didn't get a match. If you're to do a stunt as dangerous as that - and there's danger in that move - you have to make it worth it, and that long, silent shooting of the aftermath for several minutes really made it seem like a buzzworthy moment. " - Wade Keller
"The recognizable sports scene of a guy on a stretcher giving some sort of inspiring signal to show he's OK. I thought that was a bit much for the angle." - James Caldwell
"...And also, wasn't the Jeff Hardy-Randy Orton feud going along well without the huge highspot? Didn't Jeff have the logic backwards? Shouldn't he want to get the belt first, and take Orton out after that? Was it worth risking the title match at the Rumble to pull off that highspot?" - Bob Malachowski of Whitesboro, N.Y.:
"It's hard to rate this show because it all built up to the final angle. The big angle will get people talking, and in the right context, it would have been tremendous. But the spot should have been saved for the Rumble, or for the Raw after, to build up to a rematch at the next PPV. After a spot like that, both guys should be off TV for a month selling the importance and impact of it. Instead, they'll both be back on Raw next week. We all know they're wrestling in less than two weeks, so nobody buys for a minute that either guy is hurt. One other complaint I have: when Tomko and Abyss pulled a similar spot a few months back, the Torch staff and some readers called it "amateur hour." True, it was obvious then that Tomko crashed through cardboard boxes. But tonight, the styrofoam was flying when Hardy hit, and the "EMTs" were shown breaking it away afterward, yet people will rave about this one." - Michael Moore of Casper, Wy.
"I hardly ever watch Raw, or any other WWE-prodced programming anymore, but I did watch parts of Raw tonight. All that I will say is that Vince & Co. would be foolish to NOT capitalize on the current swell of fan support for Jeff Hardy by giving him the win over Randy Orton for the belt at either RR or WrestleMania. Sometimes the plans that have been put into place a half-year beforehand must give way to what actually makes sense given the context of current trends. The fanbase is really emotionally invested in the Hardy-Orton dynamic right now, and a big blowoff at 'Mania with Hardy going over would blow the roof off the place. Whatever the original plan was... SCRAP IT." - Robert Komisar
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 15, 2008 0:52:46 GMT -5
Michael Moore critiques wrestling?
Jusssssssssss kiddin.
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Post by rra on Jan 15, 2008 0:53:42 GMT -5
Michael Moore critiques wrestling? Jusssssssssss kiddin. If it was THE Michael Moore, he would have blamed the Benoit tragedy and steroids on Bush.
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Post by ghettooverlord on Jan 15, 2008 0:55:42 GMT -5
Michael Moore critiques wrestling? Jusssssssssss kiddin. If it was THE Michael Moore, he would have blamed the Benoit tragedy and steroids on Bush. I don't see why not.
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Post by Zutroy on Jan 15, 2008 0:56:41 GMT -5
Whatever the original plan was... SCRAP IT." - Robert Komisar Absolutely right. Orton vs HHH will draw nowhere near what a Hardy Main Event could possibly do against the right opponent. I they need to just turn HHH heel before Mania and problem solved.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 15, 2008 0:59:10 GMT -5
Whatever the original plan was... SCRAP IT." - Robert Komisar Absolutely right. Orton vs HHH will draw nowhere near what a Hardy Main Event could possibly do against the right opponent. I they need to just turn HHH heel before Mania and problem solved. Agreed with the scrap it thing. It makes all the sense in the world to let your audience dictate what they want to see, even if that goes against what you had planned initially
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Post by rra on Jan 15, 2008 1:00:34 GMT -5
Absolutely right. Orton vs HHH will draw nowhere near what a Hardy Main Event could possibly do against the right opponent. I they need to just turn HHH heel before Mania and problem solved. Agreed with the scrap it thing. It makes all the sense in the world to let your audience dictate what they want to see, even if that goes against what you had planned initially They can still keep it, but follow what someone else suggested tonight, and me dig.... Orton vs Trips....vs Hardy: Three-Way Dance for the Strap.
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Post by EJS on Jan 15, 2008 5:25:28 GMT -5
The hand sign wasn't to show he was ok, it was to show he just did that for Matt, it was the V1 sign.
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Post by Voldemar H. "Brak" Guerta on Jan 15, 2008 6:53:04 GMT -5
Absolutely right. Orton vs HHH will draw nowhere near what a Hardy Main Event could possibly do against the right opponent. I they need to just turn HHH heel before Mania and problem solved. Agreed with the scrap it thing. It makes all the sense in the world to let your audience dictate what they want to see, even if that goes against what you had planned initially I remember I made a thread in (w)rest last year about a fed booking according to fan demand, reactions, and input (through their website and/or official messageboard). I stated that obviously total fan control would lead to chaos, but that if fan demand was at least used in the booking and writing process it could very well lead to one hell of a wrestling promotion. Anyways, I stand by that theory, and the fans love Jeff Hardy right now, so therefore Hardy should be the next WWE champ, either at Rumble or (the better choice) 'Mania. Jeff deserves a title run this year much more than Mysterio did a couple years ago (Eddiesploitation.... ugh), and their enormous positive fan reactions are about identical at this point.
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Post by Loki on Jan 15, 2008 7:53:40 GMT -5
Well, the spot was more than ok, and it kinda fits Jeff's attitude (and gimmick).
My only concern is: giving so much away on free TV will raise the expectations for the actual PPV payoff, and they can have Jeff jumping off high places only so many times before it gets "normal". Or even worse, it generates higher standard from the PPV match, that could eventually disappoint some fans, should not live up to the buildup.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jan 15, 2008 7:54:48 GMT -5
That was a pretty sick spot. If we would have seen the impact, I'd say it was just as good as his Mania spot. But they had to have had Orton out of the way. That kind of bump is just not to be taken this close to a PPV.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jan 15, 2008 8:19:13 GMT -5
Al these internet geniuses going 'They should have done...' really annoy me. I think the WWE knows more about how to book a flipping feud than a 'journalist'.
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Post by rra on Jan 15, 2008 9:45:28 GMT -5
Al these internet geniuses going 'They should have done...' really annoy me. I think the WWE knows more about how to book a flipping feud than a 'journalist'. Yeah, WrestleCrap is a testament to THAT.....
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Post by randomranter on Jan 15, 2008 9:54:55 GMT -5
I believe that that spot should have been saved for Wrestlemania. That would have made for one hell of a wrestlemania moment.
We ended last week with Hardy standing on top of the cage and staring down orton. It should have ended up the same way this week. Same setup, but once Hardy reaches the top of the tron, Orton gets up and looks at a ready-to-fly Hardy. Hardy looks determined. Orton looks scared to death.
"What has orton gotten himself into? And what will hardy do to win the belt -- or just take orton completely out? "
That's what you want people to leave Raw thinking. That's what you want them thinking when they're considering buying the PPV. You want them walking into the rumble expecting Hardy to pull off the high-spot-from-hell. You don't want them having already seen it.
That being said, I think they've done a better job of building Jeff Hardy as a credible main eventer than they have for any wrestler in YEARS. For the first time in a long, long time, they're not force-feeding some roided-up freak down our throats, and letting the buildup develop at a normal pace.
Memo to the WWE writing staff: THIS is how you build up a main eventer.
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Post by mysterydriver on Jan 15, 2008 9:56:29 GMT -5
Blood is thicker than Belts, Bob.
Also, It will be interesting to see, but they could actually have Orton/Hardy NOT on Raw next week. Just show clips of what happened and hype how both men will be cleared for Sunday's match.
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Post by rra on Jan 15, 2008 9:57:57 GMT -5
Blood is thicker than Belts, Bob. Also, It will be interesting to see, but they could actually have Orton/Hardy NOT on Raw next week. Just show clips of what happened and hype how both men will be cleared for Sunday's match. And I totally agree. Imagine if Jeff didn't go for revenge before going for the strap...wouldn't IWC slap that logic hard? At least I would.
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Post by GaTechGrad on Jan 15, 2008 12:19:03 GMT -5
I fell asleep at the start of the Flair/Regal match, so I missed whatever happened lol.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 15, 2008 12:38:47 GMT -5
I believe that that spot should have been saved for Wrestlemania. That would have made for one hell of a wrestlemania moment. [/quote Problem with that is there is no way you could actually continue the match after that. And can you imagine if the WM main event ended in a non finish? People would snap, especially the IWC. Now Rumble you could pull it off, have Hardy do that to Orton to end the match and people remember Hardy destroying Orton, but it keeps the belt on Orton. That also gives reason for a rematch, probably a gimmick match
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Post by randomranter on Jan 15, 2008 12:40:26 GMT -5
I believe that that spot should have been saved for Wrestlemania. That would have made for one hell of a wrestlemania moment. [/quote Problem with that is there is no way you could actually continue the match after that. And can you imagine if the WM main event ended in a non finish? People would snap, especially the IWC. Now Rumble you could pull it off, have Hardy do that to Orton to end the match and people remember Hardy destroying Orton, but it keeps the belt on Orton. That also gives reason for a rematch, probably a gimmick match Good point, and I have to agree. But I think we can all agree on one thing.......they kinda blew it by pulling the trigger way too early and giving away a high spot like that on free TV. The setup you described would have been PERFECT leading into wrestlemania.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 15, 2008 13:18:05 GMT -5
As far as "giving stuff away", I'm looking at the Hardy/Orton story to be saying that Jeff seems to be one step ahead of Orton, considering how Orton's schemes against Jeff have pretty much failed for the last three weeks and all he's managed was kicking Matt.
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