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Post by bubbles on Oct 11, 2007 18:53:12 GMT -5
I think I watched Survivor Series 97 in about 2000 or 2001 because my brother's friend was a Bret Hart fan but I was a mark and thought it was funny.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Feb 13, 2008 2:22:49 GMT -5
I remember seeing the Raw after the Survivor Series, where Vince did the interview, but not knowing what was really going on at the time. I remember watching the Survivor Series from 1998 and thinking that's so wrong how they made an angle out of it with Mankind/Rock.
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Post by Captain Wonderful on Feb 13, 2008 2:24:20 GMT -5
Thank you for brining this back.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Feb 13, 2008 2:25:59 GMT -5
I believe I logged onto the old Slobberknocker Central website to get results from John Petrie when he was running his website (he and Christopher Robin Zimmerman (CRZ) used to write the definitive Monday Night Recaps), and he said that the story was pretty convoluted and to keep checking back sometime during the next couple of days to get details. Before long, I jumped over to Micasawrestling.com (run by a now turned lawyer Michael "Micasa" Samuda of WrestleManiacs.com and WrestleLine.com fame with Rick Scaia of Online Onslaught) and heard that something had gone screwy.
It wasn't long before Micasa had a link to Meltzer's 8 pages or so of recounting a year of stuff.
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Post by The Blue Blazer on Feb 13, 2008 2:36:30 GMT -5
I heard that Hart might be getting out of his WWF contract a couple weeks before Survivor Series.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 13, 2008 2:38:19 GMT -5
Pretty much as it happened. I was pretty confused, but I knew something was up.
Wrestling with Shadows is when I really found out all the details
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Post by Bubble Lead on Feb 13, 2008 2:40:10 GMT -5
I watched it when I happened, and I was on the internet the next day reading all the news I could about it, because I knew it wasn't kayfabe plus I knew Bret was going to leave. I was pretty young, but on the internet by that time and my Dad had smartened me up to the business a year or two prior.
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Post by Joie De Vivre on Feb 13, 2008 2:47:10 GMT -5
I was out of the loop with wrestling at the time on account of my family moving and not renewing our cable subscription. So I wasn't aware of it until Entertrainment Tonight had a story on 'Wrestling With Shadows' and they showed a clip of Bret going, "That sunuva bitch me screwed me!" Which would have been sometime in 1998. Even then I didn't know how serious it was.
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Feb 13, 2008 10:57:00 GMT -5
I was watching the PPV live. You knew something wasn't right. WWF used to have a keyword site on aol back then and they had announced that Bret was leaving for WCW before the show happened. Vince just standing at ringside for the match while not actually doing commentary was strange. It only took about 10 seconds to realize what they had just done.
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Post by Ken Ivory on Feb 13, 2008 11:03:33 GMT -5
I remember watching it (not live but a reshowing) on Sky Sports, back when it was free to watch. Even though I was only 13 then and still ignorant to such backstage politics, there was a definite atmosphere about the match. When it ended the way it did, I could tell I had witnessed someting major. I just didn't fully learn how major until a few years later.
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Post by Godhand on Feb 13, 2008 11:04:12 GMT -5
Hard to say. Christ that was a long time ago and Im not sure if this was during my hiatus from wwe ie when I stopped caring f beacause my dad refused to get pay per view. I think I saw the match on tape at some point, although if I saw it on tape it was probably after i saw Wresltign with Shadows. IM going to go with whenever Wresltign with Shadows came out. Looking back all my wrestling memories from that time are hazy and inaccurate cause I cant remeber what I saw on tape or what I saw live. Whatever.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Feb 13, 2008 12:15:23 GMT -5
I didn't get to watch the ppv, but when Bret was out on Raw dropping "bullshit" and the censors didn't catch it right away.... I knew we were seeing something a little more shoot-tastic than usual. No clue when I heard more details on it though.
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Post by YouStayClassy on Feb 13, 2008 12:17:00 GMT -5
I believe I logged onto the old Slobberknocker Central website to get results from John Petrie when he was running his website (he and Christopher Robin Zimmerman (CRZ) used to write the definitive Monday Night Recaps), and he said that the story was pretty convoluted and to keep checking back sometime during the next couple of days to get details. Before long, I jumped over to Micasawrestling.com (run by a now turned lawyer Michael "Micasa" Samuda of WrestleManiacs.com and WrestleLine.com fame with Rick Scaia of Online Onslaught) and heard that something had gone screwy. It wasn't long before Micasa had a link to Meltzer's 8 pages or so of recounting a year of stuff. OMFG, I WORSHIPPED Petrie and Slobberknocker Central. Where is he nowadays?
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Post by The Ichi on Feb 13, 2008 12:43:45 GMT -5
Hey, we needed to bump this up. We haven't had our weekly Montreal topic yet!
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Post by rj on Feb 13, 2008 20:39:10 GMT -5
I wasn't following wrestling at the time, so for me it's just "wrestling history" like Hulk Hogan beating Iron Sheik for the title.
I subscribed to Meltzer's newsletter a month ago, and with a certain level of subscription you're allowed to get "historical issues" that you can pick. I picked a 2004 issue that talked about the problems with the WWF in the early 1990s with steroids, Hulkamania ending, Ric Flair's foray, etc. The second was from 1998 right after "Wrestling with Shadows" was released on Canadian TV. Meltzer did a comprehensive detailed account of the events leading up to Survivor Series, why Bret was leaving, what he felt Vince thought, what he felt Bret thought, the match itself, and what happened in the year after where Vince made several mentions to it. I have faint memories of "Wrestling with Shadows", so Meltzer had a verbatim written down account of Bret Hart talking with McMahon before the match because Hart was wearing a wire. Which I just find bizarre when you think about it, even in light of the documentary. So Hart was definitely concerned about something. It was a very good read and I recommend it to anyone if they have not read about it.
The thing that got me about it was the next part of that newsletter was talking about the show from the previous weekend. In it was Owen Hart facing someone and the show was from Vancouver. Meltzer points out that mid-match, Owen was put in the Sharpshooter by his opponent and then Meltzer wrote something like, "In a line that he did not come up with himself, Michael Cole said "It must be embarassing to lose to your own hold in your own country.' " This was one year after Survivor Series 1997. We're not talking the night after when the anger is still simmering in Vince's head.
I think the Montreal Screwjob is best held as a warning to anyone involved in wrestling and also to wrestling fans that wrestling, like politics, is a sleazy, dirty, corrupt business at its best, and remember that fact when complaining or feeling screwed or distraught with the product. So don't whine and complain about Triple H holding everyone down and banging the boss' daughter, that's just what wrestling is. Don't whine and complain about Jeff Hardy losing to Randy Orton cause of politics, that's just what wrestling is. Don't whine and complain about the mid-carders not getting the time of day from the bookers, there are power struggles and those people were decided by the Powers That Be as "make weights". If you can't accept that, don't watch.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 13, 2008 20:44:52 GMT -5
I honestly can't remember
I did see the the PPV live though
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Feb 13, 2008 20:59:13 GMT -5
heard about it the next night cause i was to cheap to buy the ppv, and the next night on nitro the nwo was in the ring singing, OHHHHHHHHHHHH CANADAAAAAAAAAAA, and i was like wtf? then i saw what happened....
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Post by Bishblast on Feb 13, 2008 21:03:59 GMT -5
I guess two weeks after it happened, when the addressed it on Raw?
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Post by spiderlady on Feb 13, 2008 22:52:54 GMT -5
In 2005 when I started to watch wrestling. It was one of the first major "backstage" events that I read about online. The whole thing fascinated me, especially after watching "Wrestling with Shadows". I was originally a big HBK mark when I first started wrestling (and I still like him), but Wrestling With Shadows surprised me. In short, after reading HBK's book later that year and hearing Bret's story in the documentary, I realized that I could like both wrestlers despite what happened. And I'm still not sure if it was a work.
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