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Post by rra on Feb 14, 2008 16:11:39 GMT -5
"As most know by now Shawn Michaels isn't known as someone who likes to jobs. However Michaels was said to have had no complaints about jobbing to Jeff Hardy on Monday Night RAW this week and was totally open to the idea." - ProWrestling.Net
Considering that new website is Rajah at this rate.....throw in a bucket of salt.
Thoughts?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Feb 14, 2008 16:13:58 GMT -5
I'd probably say this was newz,but seeing as he probably does have respect for him and sees a lot of himself in Hardy, I'd say this is true.
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Post by jamofpearls on Feb 14, 2008 16:15:48 GMT -5
I think Shawn's been doing his fair share of jobs as of late. I could be wrong, but maybe he really is past all that politicking "loosing my smile" garbage.
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Post by rra on Feb 14, 2008 16:33:32 GMT -5
I think Shawn's been doing his fair share of jobs as of late. I could be wrong, but maybe he really is past all that politicking "loosing my smile" garbage. I do think he's "grown up," (or like to think he has) and in fact I agreed with him getting peeved off over having to friggin job to Hulk Hogan back in '05. Besides, HBK probably smells a potential money-making feud with Jeff Hardy down the line, in a "passing of the torch" program. Admit it folks.....how many of you would shell good money to see a HBK/Hardy ladder match?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Feb 14, 2008 16:35:17 GMT -5
I think Shawn's been doing his fair share of jobs as of late. I could be wrong, but maybe he really is past all that politicking "loosing my smile" garbage. I do think he's "grown up," (or like to think he has) and in fact I agreed with him getting peeved off over having to friggin job to Hulk Hogan back in '05. Besides, HBK probably smells a potential money-making feud with Jeff Hardy down the line, in a "passing of the torch" program. Admit it folks.....how many of you would shell good money to see a HBK/Hardy ladder match? That's fine and well, but in the context of the storyline at the time it made sense, there was no way that Hogan was going to get beat down and insulted nearly every week and not win the match at the end. I know some HBK fans and those who dislike Hogan may not want to come to grips with that, but that was the right call.
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Post by Jay T. Jackson: Son of Samuel on Feb 14, 2008 16:36:29 GMT -5
I'd probably say this was newz,but seeing as he probably does have respect for him and sees a lot of himself in Hardy, I'd say this is true. If he sees alot of himself in Jeff, does that make Matt Marty Janetty?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Feb 14, 2008 16:38:19 GMT -5
I'd probably say this was newz,but seeing as he probably does have respect for him and sees a lot of himself in Hardy, I'd say this is true. If he sees alot of himself in Jeff, does that make Matt Marty Janetty? Perhaps so, I was more of a Jannetty fan than Shawn growing up, and I'm more partial towards Matt than Jeff.
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Post by JMA on Feb 14, 2008 16:38:21 GMT -5
If I believed in karma, I'd say that Michaels jobbing to Hogan was due to his own refusal to job so many times before. To be honest, I found it to be hilarious. Granted, Hogan is no better than the Clique (at their worst).
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Post by jamofpearls on Feb 14, 2008 16:38:53 GMT -5
Admit it folks.....how many of you would shell good money to see a HBK/Hardy ladder match? I would.
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Post by rra on Feb 14, 2008 16:39:34 GMT -5
I do think he's "grown up," (or like to think he has) and in fact I agreed with him getting peeved off over having to friggin job to Hulk Hogan back in '05. Besides, HBK probably smells a potential money-making feud with Jeff Hardy down the line, in a "passing of the torch" program. Admit it folks.....how many of you would shell good money to see a HBK/Hardy ladder match? That's fine and well, but in the context of the storyline at the time it made sense, there was no way that Hogan was going to get beat down and insulted nearly every week and not win the match at the end. I know some HBK fans and those who dislike Hogan may not want to come to grips with that, but that was the right call. For that storyline, sure....but of course, the romantic in RRA would have prefered old grudges dug up, and exposed out in the open. "Hogan, you held me and my generation back. Lets see you get buried and feel what its like."
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Feb 14, 2008 16:45:48 GMT -5
That's fine and well, but in the context of the storyline at the time it made sense, there was no way that Hogan was going to get beat down and insulted nearly every week and not win the match at the end. I know some HBK fans and those who dislike Hogan may not want to come to grips with that, but that was the right call. For that storyline, sure....but of course, the romantic in RRA would have prefered old grudges dug up, and exposed out in the open. "Hogan, you held me and my generation back. Lets see you get buried and feel what its like." Perhaps, but seeing as Hogan is arguably the most (or one of) popular wrestler that has ever wrestled in WWE over HBK, it'd be pretty hard for Hogan to get buried. It would not be prudent to try anyways, the guy is super over and is a proven draw, why exactly would any promoter want to bury him? Apart from those who live and die by"workrate" of course.
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Post by Jack on Feb 14, 2008 16:51:49 GMT -5
Quick word on the Hogan/HBK thing, Hogan is the ONLY thing WWE has these days as a special attraction, to bury that would just be nuts.
I think Hardy's going through a pink-period in the sense that he's over with the crowd and creative are willing to do something with him, after WM he'll either fall foul of the wellness test, get suspended for tardiness or the writing team will just run out of ideas. Hardy isn't a guy who's going to have a sustained run at anything, he'll comes and goes when the mood takes us, him and them.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Feb 14, 2008 16:53:36 GMT -5
I'd probably say this was newz,but seeing as he probably does have respect for him and sees a lot of himself in Hardy, I'd say this is true. If he sees alot of himself in Jeff, does that make Matt Marty Janetty? Matt himself even considers himself as Marty Janetty, so yes.
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Post by jerichocanyon on Feb 14, 2008 16:57:18 GMT -5
I don't see how this is news. Micheals has clearly grown up since the 90's. He probably has a good conscience about the business and agrees with the direction of the company. Therefore, he will job to Hardy based on Hardy being a hot commodity on RAW if asked to. I hope people still don't think he's the same guy as he was during the Montreal Screwjob thing. Get over it, it's in the past!
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Post by Jack on Feb 14, 2008 16:59:11 GMT -5
I have to say i don't see why anyone would believe this story. At what point would it get reported?
Rajah Special Undercover Reporter: Rajah, come in Rajah this is SwallowBreeze. Over Rajah: I copy SwallowBreeze, what have you got for me? Over Rajah Special Undercover reporter: We have unconfirmed reports that Shawn Michaels didn't complain when he was told to job to Jeff Hardy. Over Rajah: This is good stuff SwallowBreeze, we'll run with it. Over.
Really it's just made up nonsense. I could make up a story that has no basis on it based on the last episode of Raw. Watch...
Word backstage at Raw last week is that Vince is planning for a Vince vs Finlay in a 'who's the Daddy' match-up with the winner getting custody rights for Hornswoggle.
It's just pish-tosh it really is.
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Post by skillz on Feb 14, 2008 17:14:23 GMT -5
For that storyline, sure....but of course, the romantic in RRA would have prefered old grudges dug up, and exposed out in the open. "Hogan, you held me and my generation back. Lets see you get buried and feel what its like." What generation did Hogan bury? He had his run (1984-1992), then Vince ran him and everyone else from the 80's off at once and gave the entire company to Shawn and his friends (1993-1996). The company, naturally, went in the crapper with Shawn and Nash on top. Ironically, Shawn was the one who was having doubts about jobbing to Austin (potentially holding the next megastar back), but luckily he did the right thing (and Undertaker confirms this in an interview). Now, I've said before, I don't care about backstage politics, whether it's Hogan, HHH, Michaels, or whoever. It's not my business and most of it is hearsay unless confirmed by someone with knowledge (like the Undertaker example above). However, choosing to side with Shawn Michaels over Hulk Hogan purely on the subject of backstage behavior is the most asinine logic I have ever seen. Shawn has or had heat with some of the biggest stars ever (Bret, Hulk, Rock, Taker, etc) and has embellished injury to get out of a WM main event payday just because he was set to job. Watch a shoot interview and name one non-Clique. member who praises Shawn as a person (I've yet to see one). And this is from a guy that hasn't (and will never) draw anywhere near what Hogan did. Where does Shawn get off on mocking someone else's ego? The fact that people actually support him on it is almost laughable. I'm not saying Hogan hasn't used "politics", but Shawn's (considering his status) is a lot worse. It's one thing when the biggest name in the company does it, but it's a little different when a guy who can't draw with a crayon in his hand wants the same perks. As for Summerslam 2005, the right guy went over. You don't build a "dream match" and have the outcome determined by who is active. If Austin came back and wrestled one night only (as a babyface) against a heel Michaels, who wins? Take a wild guess. The fans wanted Hogan to win, the show did very well in buys, and that's really all that matters.
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Post by Bobafett on Feb 14, 2008 17:41:37 GMT -5
I have to say i don't see why anyone would believe this story. At what point would it get reported? Rajah Special Undercover Reporter: Rajah, come in Rajah this is SwallowBreeze. OverRajah: I copy SwallowBreeze, what have you got for me? OverRajah Special Undercover reporter: We have unconfirmed reports that Shawn Michaels didn't complain when he was told to job to Jeff Hardy. OverRajah: This is good stuff SwallowBreeze, we'll run with it. Over.Really it's just made up nonsense. I could make up a story that has no basis on it based on the last episode of Raw. Watch... Word backstage at Raw last week is that Vince is planning for a Vince vs Finlay in a 'who's the Daddy' match-up with the winner getting custody rights for Hornswoggle.It's just pish-tosh it really is. be careful not to drop youre monocle into youre tea ;D ;D ;D (sniggers at Pish-tosh )
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Post by Cyno on Feb 14, 2008 18:02:21 GMT -5
Hasn't Shawn himself said that he's realized his mistakes in the past and has been trying to do right by people since he came back in the early 00's? I think his becoming a born-again Christian helped with that, too.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Feb 14, 2008 18:54:12 GMT -5
Shawn clearly doesn't mind jobbing anymore. He lost to Kennedy like 3 weeks ago.
The whole 'wrestlers really do care if they lose' argument really does get blown out of proportion on here. Maybe they care on certain occasions, where they feel that the result wouldn't be right for business because the other guy isn't ready, or because they feel losing to the guy they are supposed to harms their own character too much (didn't Austin refuse to lose to HHH just before he won his first title?) but most wrestlers will know what is right to do, and most wins and losses will be to progress a storyline or be part of a long term plan to make whoever they are pushing look strong. The hate Shawn and HHH get for it it's ridiculous.
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Post by HRH The KING on Feb 14, 2008 20:08:38 GMT -5
If that was on the card at Mania, I would buy the PPV just for that.
Good on HBK for putting over Jeff clean on RAW.
It was a fine match.
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