mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Mar 19, 2008 7:55:17 GMT -5
Wrestlemania X-7 is typically listed as THE BEST. It was also the most thrown together card out of all of the wrestlemanias But Wrestlemania X-7 is considered the best because of the match quality. But I still wouldn't say it was just thrown together. TLC II obviously had a huge history building for over a year with all three teams. Hell the same teams were in a ladder match together the year before! Angle/Benoit was the first 1 on 1 meeting between the two despite actually being in a triple threat match together the year before. It didn't get a huge build, but it got plenty of attention and Wrestlemania was the perfect place for this match. Undertaker/Triple H had a pretty good build to it, not that it needed it considering the people involved. Vince/Shane was the biggest angle in the history of wrestling for some fans at the time. Not because of Vince and Shane, but because of the storyline itself. Austin/Rock has possibly the best build for a Wrestlemania main event ever. I don't see how that PPV was thrown together at all, especially when compared to the very next year. I've seen one writer call Undertaker/Triple H a WWE insta-feud.
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Post by joeman on Mar 19, 2008 7:57:43 GMT -5
It seems nowadays people just look at the "good parts' of the past to put down the current product without thinking about all the crap that happened in the past. I remember the first wrestlemania not being special, I mean Hogan didn't defend his title and Greg The Hammer was IC champ, what the hell(no offence to Greg but the man past his prime in the 70's)?
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Post by tinaturner on Mar 19, 2008 8:03:41 GMT -5
The Hype Of Wrestlemania still exists, but the SuperBowl/FA Cup Final/big event feel has suffered due to the more hasty manner of booking nowadays. Its still Wrestlemania but the way its presented has suffered whilst at the same time production values have improved. Also, having quite poor cards doesnt assist in adding to the overall effect.
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Post by knifeedgepops on Mar 19, 2008 8:06:24 GMT -5
Floyd Mayweather Snoop Dogg Raven Simone Kim Kardahian And whoever John Legend thinks he is.
It's almost like this year, more than any other, they had nothing. Hell, a lot of the stars that were slated to be huge this time last year are either suspended, fired, or just so wrongfully used that their magic is gone. And i would have actually watched it if Hardy was gonna be in it, cuz I'd like to see him get a big win, but now all we have is a slew of celebrities that no one cares about and an inevitable HHH win.
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Post by Mac on Mar 19, 2008 8:07:24 GMT -5
7 had a lot of "whatever" matches Rockers v Barbarian/Haku Texas Tornado v Dino Bravo Undertaker v Jimmy Snuka Kitao/Tenryu v Demolition Earthquake v Greg Valentine Legion of Doom v. Power and Glory Mountie v Tito Santana I mean those matches are as thrown together as it gets and more SUPERSTARS worthy than Wrestlemania worthy. I remember a lot of Mania matches back in the day would just be announced on UPDATE! followed by one of those promos against the particular wrestlers backdrop and nothing more. Funny thing is, I've found out a more of these matches than I thought had at least some backstory, thanks to Youtube. And with the way wrestling was back then, no Raw or Smackdown you don't even get to see midcarders wrestle each other every week, it might have seemed even bigger. LOD/P&G had a tag team battle royal behind it. Earthquake and Dino Bravo were beating down Greg Valentine only to have him saved by Brutus Beefcake when he was considering his masked wrestler without a face gimmick(and I just realized the Dream Team connection there.) Depends on how much backstory you're looking for. I'd say most of the matches have "some" reason for being together. I think a 5 minute segment of Valentine being beaten down does qualify as a backstory, but theres not a tremendous deal of building up to it, which was my impression of what the OP was stating. I mean contrast JBL v Finlay to the build for Valentine/Quake.
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Post by tinaturner on Mar 19, 2008 8:25:10 GMT -5
This Wrestlemania has a WM II feel about it. And thats a bad thing. The problem is though, the roster was on a upcurce, now however, its on a downward one.
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Post by joeman on Mar 19, 2008 8:27:14 GMT -5
This Wrestlemania has a WM II feel about it. And thats a bad thing. The problem is though, the roster was on a upcurce, now however, its on a downward one. Check out the recent RR's buyrates as opposed to last year's and tell me WWE is in a downward spiral.
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Post by tinaturner on Mar 19, 2008 8:35:53 GMT -5
This Wrestlemania has a WM II feel about it. And thats a bad thing. The problem is though, the roster was on a upcurce, now however, its on a downward one. Check out the recent RR's buyrates as opposed to last year's and tell me WWE is in a downward spiral. What rosterwise as my post intimated......yeah I stick with that view.
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Post by joeman on Mar 19, 2008 8:38:35 GMT -5
I'd argue that Wrestlemania 13, except for Austin/Hart was about as bad if not worse than the current lineup.
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Post by tinaturner on Mar 19, 2008 8:47:27 GMT -5
It could be said that its was poor booking, not the majority of the wrestlers quality. To a degree the same can be said for WMII. This Wrestlemania will lack from a fair few substandard wrestlers, misplaced talent, and bad booking. The extent of which we will have to see the fruits of come March the 30th.
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Post by Palatial Regalia on Mar 19, 2008 9:14:35 GMT -5
Why is Kim Kardishain a celebrity??? She's nothing more then some rich ass who was a hanger-on of Paris Hilton.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 19, 2008 9:17:59 GMT -5
Why is Kim Kardishain a celebrity??? She's nothing more then some rich ass who was a hanger-on of Paris Hilton. She fits in that category of "Famous because they're famous" No real logic behind it, there's just too much entertainment media, so new "celebrities" had to be invented to fill the slots.
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Post by Camp Yorick on Mar 19, 2008 10:15:42 GMT -5
I will agree with the original poster. At least in my own personal opinion. That last WM that TRUELY had the magic was 2002. With Hall-Austin, Trips-Jericho, Rock-Hogan(which should have been ME damnit) but of course trips had to his thing. etc.. 2001-2002 were the last ones I thought felt magical. Alot of people say 20? Ehh I felt it overrated. 2004 was a bad year in wrestling IMO. The product was horrible. Never thought Benoit should have been champ, nor Eddie. Both great workers but not WC material IMO.To this day, I think it was just to appease the smart marks looking for "workrate" and to say thank u to eddie and Benoit through years of struggle and fighting for the top spot. It was an emotional ending to Mania but nothing I would call as "magical" like a andre-hogan, warrior-hogan, austin-shawn, austin-rock WM 17, WM XV, Piper-T etc. It was real, and you could feel it- it's too bad you weren't into them, but that was an irreplaceable moment for wrestling. For one second it wasn't embarrassing to watch wrestling. it was like "wow, i really love wrestling, and this is why". Too bad it's been deleted from history
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Post by Irish Nightmare on Mar 19, 2008 12:28:33 GMT -5
Honestly, I think one of the biggest issues with ppvs anymore, is that there is too many ppvs. Back in the day, when there was like 2-3 months in between ppvs, you could basically have a pretty decent buildup toward the big match.
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Post by Lancers on Mar 19, 2008 14:44:34 GMT -5
I was at Wrestlemania 13. I don't even remember how Sid and Taker started their feud. I just remember they wrestled in the main event. There were a whole bunch of other pointless things that just kinda happened with no real purpose other than to fill the time. It was the "Family Guy" of Wrestlemanias.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Mar 19, 2008 14:47:27 GMT -5
It seems nowadays people just look at the "good parts' of the past to put down the current product without thinking about all the crap that happened in the past. I remember the first wrestlemania not being special, I mean Hogan didn't defend his title and Greg The Hammer was IC champ, what the hell(no offence to Greg but the man past his prime in the 70's)? Really. He only debuted in 70.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Mar 19, 2008 14:50:34 GMT -5
Funny thing is, I've found out a more of these matches than I thought had at least some backstory, thanks to Youtube. And with the way wrestling was back then, no Raw or Smackdown you don't even get to see midcarders wrestle each other every week, it might have seemed even bigger. LOD/P&G had a tag team battle royal behind it. Earthquake and Dino Bravo were beating down Greg Valentine only to have him saved by Brutus Beefcake when he was considering his masked wrestler without a face gimmick(and I just realized the Dream Team connection there.) Depends on how much backstory you're looking for. I'd say most of the matches have "some" reason for being together. I think a 5 minute segment of Valentine being beaten down does qualify as a backstory, but theres not a tremendous deal of building up to it, which was my impression of what the OP was stating. I mean contrast JBL v Finlay to the build for Valentine/Quake. Yeah, maybe. But thinking about it was probably more than 5 minutes. Remember Quake and Bravo are Jimmy Hart guys and as recently as November Valentine had been a Hart guy, teaming with Honky TOnk Man. And they must have been feuding with the tag champs cause Rhythm&Blues and The Hart FOundation were on opposite teams at Survivor Series.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Mar 19, 2008 14:52:14 GMT -5
Wrestlemania X-7 is typically listed as THE BEST. It was also the most thrown together card out of all of the wrestlemanias Shane vs. Vince TLC II Chyna vs. Ivory Jericho vs. Regal All of those were long builds. And several of the other marquee matches (Austin vs. Rock II, UT vs. HHH, Benoit vs. Angle) had solid builds anyway. Jed f'n Shaffer ~I guess it depends on what you mean by "thrown together".
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Post by mrjl on Mar 19, 2008 14:53:55 GMT -5
I was at Wrestlemania 13. I don't even remember how Sid and Taker started their feud. I just remember they wrestled in the main event. There were a whole bunch of other pointless things that just kinda happened with no real purpose other than to fill the time. It was the "Family Guy" of Wrestlemanias. I'm not sure they were feuding. Undertaker had earned a title shot after Sid won the title. THat's the year of Shawn's lost smile causing the title to be vacated, and Austin's interference threw the Rumble into chaos.
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Post by segaz on Mar 19, 2008 16:13:41 GMT -5
I will agree with the original poster. At least in my own personal opinion. That last WM that TRUELY had the magic was 2002. With Hall-Austin, Trips-Jericho, Rock-Hogan(which should have been ME damnit) but of course trips had to his thing. etc.. 2001-2002 were the last ones I thought felt magical. Alot of people say 20? Ehh I felt it overrated. 2004 was a bad year in wrestling IMO. The product was horrible. Never thought Benoit should have been champ, nor Eddie. Both great workers but not WC material IMO.To this day, I think it was just to appease the smart marks looking for "workrate" and to say thank u to eddie and Benoit through years of struggle and fighting for the top spot. It was an emotional ending to Mania but nothing I would call as "magical" like a andre-hogan, warrior-hogan, austin-shawn, austin-rock WM 17, WM XV, Piper-T etc. This man.
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