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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on May 15, 2008 15:50:06 GMT -5
Please, tell me I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I mean, look what Show has been doing after Mayweather...he's just been going after monster after monster. And after reading the thread on the usefulness of Snitsky, I got thinking...it's NOT HIS FAULT that he falters as a monster. It's the WWE's and the massive amount of monster characters they have. Let me list them from all 3 brands:
-Big Show -Khali -Snitsky -Umaga -Batista -Mark Henry -Undertaker -Kozlov -Kane -Bam Neely -Big Daddy V
Then you have people who can be considered monsters, but then again aren't.
-JBL -Festus -Mike Knox
That's 15 monsters WWE has. FIFTEEN! No wonder someone like Snitsky is faltering. His role has already been taken by 14 other guys!
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Post by SBYM (Heel Turn) on May 15, 2008 15:53:16 GMT -5
Yep.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on May 15, 2008 15:54:15 GMT -5
This is the point I was making in the Snitsky thread. He had something that seperated him from the pack, in this case unintentional comedy, which might have been a draw at some point if they did it right. Now he's no different than the rest of the group except he has bacne and yellow teeth.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on May 15, 2008 15:59:57 GMT -5
This is the point I was making in the Snitsky thread. He had something that seperated him from the pack, in this case unintentional comedy, which might have been a draw at some point if they did it right. Now he's no different than the rest of the group except he has bacne and yellow teeth. I'm sorry, I didn't sift through the entire topic. I just read how he was good midcard fodder. But yeah...he NEEDED to be that comedy character he was. He was great.
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Post by Push R Truth on May 15, 2008 16:00:23 GMT -5
This is the point I was making in the Snitsky thread. He had something that seperated him from the pack, in this case unintentional comedy, which might have been a draw at some point if they did it right. Now he's no different than the rest of the group except he has bacne and yellow teeth.
All Hail Classic Snitsky!
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Post by Bo Rida on May 15, 2008 16:22:33 GMT -5
The bigger problem is most of the monsters have lost so often they don't have the unstoppable aura around them.
At the moment if you put these guys in a ring with a Cena, HHH or Orton I'd only think that Batista and Undertaker have a chance of winning.
Big Show, Khali, Umaga and Kane are still credible in most situations, the fact they've remained over despite their constant losses is a minor miracle and just proves what good wrestlers they are.
The others are just large jobbers.
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Post by Cactus Jack on May 15, 2008 16:25:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't call Bam Neely a monster.
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Post by Evil Jan Otto on May 15, 2008 16:34:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't call Bam Neely a monster. [WWE creative]But he's the One Man Fence!!!![/WWE creative]
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Post by Joekishi on May 15, 2008 16:38:22 GMT -5
most of them job to jeff hardy nowadays though
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Post by Ass Dan on May 15, 2008 16:40:00 GMT -5
JBL's a monster? I think he's just another guy. If he's a monster, than HHH's a monster.
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Post by EJS on May 15, 2008 16:41:40 GMT -5
Yeah not sure where JBL fits in there. Is Lance Cade a monster then too?
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on May 15, 2008 16:59:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't really call Batista, Undertaker or Kane 'monsters' either. They have personailities which are such that shows would be built around them, where as a monster is generally someone that won't ever be the flag bearer, but would be the guy - at best - that would make the flag bearers look better.
When you consider that each brand may need a monster to feed to main eventers and a monster to feed to mid carders, then I don't think it is too much. This definitely wouldn't have happened pre-brand extention, but that's the time we are in.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on May 15, 2008 17:01:48 GMT -5
I consider monsters as guys who are big, powerful and are considered to be dangerous given their size. That's why I can argue for JBL. He's treated like a monster. And monster/giant are interchangable.
If they are feared for their size, they are a monster.
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Post by Big fat failure turtle on May 15, 2008 17:13:26 GMT -5
They have a good opportunity with Kozlov right now - he has a legit martial arts background, doesn't seem to have a problem performing decent power moves, and looks like one mean mothersmurfer. Realistically though, he's just another jobber waiting to happen
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Post by Sajoa Moe on May 15, 2008 17:30:09 GMT -5
Sounds like a name for a Godzilla sitcom.
"What happens when Godzilla, King of the Monsters, gets kicked off of Monster Island and has to share an apartment...WITH HIS THREE BIGGEST ARCH-ENEMIES!"
"This fall, watch as GODZILLA..."
Godzilla: I'm living in an apartment with three monsters I can't stand. I feel like Jerry Seinfeld.
"MOTHRA..."
Mothra: SCREEEEE!! Godzilla, you didn't do the dishes again! Godzilla: *thermonuclear blast* There! Now they're done! Done and gone forever!
"RODAN..."
Rodan: Hey Zilla, I'm going to town. You need anything? Godzilla: Yeah, I need you to flatten that section of Kyoto that I missed on my last run.
"KING GHIDORAH..."
Ghidorah: Hey baby, I may have three heads, but I only need one head to satisfy you!
"And that wacky neighbor MECHGODZILLA..."
*knock knock* Godzilla: Who is it? Mechagodzilla: IT IS THE POSTMAN. OPEN THE DOOR. Godzilla: *opens door* Mechagodzilla: *thermonuclear blast* Godzilla: *closes door* Well, the neighbors sure are nice.
"...make you laugh so hard, you just might shoot out a blast of thermonuclear breath!"
"This fall, get ready for...TOO MANY MONSTERS!"
On ABC.
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Post by Red Impact on May 15, 2008 17:35:48 GMT -5
I consider monsters as guys who are big, powerful and are considered to be dangerous given their size. That's why I can argue for JBL. He's treated like a monster. And monster/giant are interchangable. If they are feared for their size, they are a monster. By your definition, there could probably be a few more in your list then. I'm sure Finlay is considered dangerous for his size. Hell, Rey Mysterio probably is too, given that the only other person of his size is like, Colin Delaney. They may be considered dangerous, but the main thing that makes a monster for me is what they do with the character, in-ring or out. A monster will sell less, talk much less and tend to no-sell normal moves from normal performers quite a bit more than other performers. Smaller guys can be monsters, but I don't think JBL, or even Batista, qualify. Bam Neely is more enforcer than monster. They both attempt to overpower more than others, but enforcers will sell more than monsters. JBL and Batista were both enforcers at times, they just became single performers (like Tomko). For guys like Mike Knox, I think that's debatable, because I don't think he's been back long enough to really prove his style, which could be either or. The others on the list are definitely monster characters, and I agree that it's way too many to be effective, especially when they all lose 8 out of 10 matches once they've reached the 6 month mark.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on May 15, 2008 17:43:17 GMT -5
Sounds like a name for a Godzilla sitcom. "What happens when Godzilla, King of the Monsters, gets kicked off of Monster Island and has to share an apartment...WITH HIS THREE BIGGEST ARCH-ENEMIES!" "This fall, watch as GODZILLA..." Godzilla: I'm living in an apartment with three monsters I can't stand. I feel like Jerry Seinfeld. "MOTHRA..." Mothra: SCREEEEE!! Godzilla, you didn't do the dishes again! Godzilla: *thermonuclear blast* There! Now they're done! Done and gone forever! "RODAN..." Rodan: Hey Zilla, I'm going to town. You need anything? Godzilla: Yeah, I need you to flatten that section of Kyoto that I missed on my last run. "KING GHIDORAH..." Ghidorah: Hey baby, I may have three heads, but I only need one head to satisfy you! "And that wacky neighbor MECHGODZILLA..." *knock knock* Godzilla: Who is it? Mechagodzilla: IT IS THE POSTMAN. OPEN THE DOOR.Godzilla: *opens door* Mechagodzilla: *thermonuclear blast* Godzilla: *closes door* Well, the neighbors sure are nice. "...make you laugh so hard, you just might shoot out a blast of thermonuclear breath!" "This fall, get ready for...TOO MANY MONSTERS!" On ABC. Oh... My... God. Pefection. Sheer and utter perfection.
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Post by Just Jay on May 15, 2008 17:44:19 GMT -5
I thought the Monsters were as follows...
Mark Henry Khali Snitsky Big Daddy V Kane Undertaker
I don't see Mike Knox or JBL as monsters, but bully heels. They use their size accordingly.
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Post by Joekishi on May 15, 2008 17:55:42 GMT -5
I LOVED this show as a kid I just wish WWE would do this gimmick with say Colin, Mike Knox, and Snitsky
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Post by shiranui on May 15, 2008 18:07:00 GMT -5
Sounds like a name for a Godzilla sitcom. "What happens when Godzilla, King of the Monsters, gets kicked off of Monster Island and has to share an apartment...WITH HIS THREE BIGGEST ARCH-ENEMIES!" "This fall, watch as GODZILLA..." Godzilla: I'm living in an apartment with three monsters I can't stand. I feel like Jerry Seinfeld. "MOTHRA..." Mothra: SCREEEEE!! Godzilla, you didn't do the dishes again! Godzilla: *thermonuclear blast* There! Now they're done! Done and gone forever! "RODAN..." Rodan: Hey Zilla, I'm going to town. You need anything? Godzilla: Yeah, I need you to flatten that section of Kyoto that I missed on my last run. "KING GHIDORAH..." Ghidorah: Hey baby, I may have three heads, but I only need one head to satisfy you! "And that wacky neighbor MECHGODZILLA..." *knock knock* Godzilla: Who is it? Mechagodzilla: IT IS THE POSTMAN. OPEN THE DOOR.Godzilla: *opens door* Mechagodzilla: *thermonuclear blast* Godzilla: *closes door* Well, the neighbors sure are nice. "...make you laugh so hard, you just might shoot out a blast of thermonuclear breath!" "This fall, get ready for...TOO MANY MONSTERS!" On ABC. The Season 1 box set is scheduled for a 2009 release, right? And indeed, the first thing I thought of when I read the title of this thread was "Too many monsters? Well, put them on Monster Island, that worked in the old Godzilla films!"
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