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Post by rra on Jan 17, 2008 2:28:23 GMT -5
Too Little, Too Late
Benoit, January 2000 = WCW World belt, anyone?
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Post by Corporate H on Jan 17, 2008 2:33:07 GMT -5
Joe should've been champ around a year ago, now he's kinda stale.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Jan 17, 2008 4:23:58 GMT -5
so being a monster who destroys everyone doesnt get you a title shot, but whining like a spoiled high school girl does?
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jan 17, 2008 4:25:18 GMT -5
Joe winning the title from Angle is inevitable, and I'm happy to hear they're finally going to do it.
Despite the fact that this would have indeed been better a year ago, it's better late than never! Joe still has it, and we can forget about the terrible angle he's in right now when he's our fighting champion.
Joe is still the best choice for TNA champion. He could defend the title in solid matches every pay-per-view, single handedly giving credibility to the TNA title. He'd also need to hold the title for over 347 days, breaking Jarrett's record in TNA. It was the NWA title back then, but it would still be great to break that record as longest world title holder in TNA.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 17, 2008 13:50:39 GMT -5
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 17, 2008 14:17:32 GMT -5
Too Little, Too Late Benoit, January 2000 = WCW World belt, anyone? Not really, he never appeared with it on TV after that night as he was gone the next day and the decision overturned. If he had stayed, maybe, but we'll never know how it would've went down. Also, Benoit was not a main event guy till 99, so it's not they were going to push him in 96-97 when the nWo was the hot ticket.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 17, 2008 14:35:24 GMT -5
Too Little, Too Late Benoit, January 2000 = WCW World belt, anyone? Not really, he never appeared with it on TV after that night as he was gone the next day and the decision overturned. If he had stayed, maybe, but we'll never know how it would've went down. Also, Benoit was not a main event guy till 99, so it's not they were going to push him in 96-97 when the nWo was the hot ticket. Spot on. Though I think the WWE might have waited about one year too late to make Benoit a world champ (I didn't want him to win back in 2000, and I was shocked he didn't win it in 2003), his course in WCW was pretty much rational.
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Post by rra on Jan 17, 2008 14:54:57 GMT -5
Too Little, Too Late Benoit, January 2000 = WCW World belt, anyone? Not really, he never appeared with it on TV after that night as he was gone the next day and the decision overturned. If he had stayed, maybe, but we'll never know how it would've went down. Also, Benoit was not a main event guy till 99, so it's not they were going to push him in 96-97 when the nWo was the hot ticket. Dude, Benoit was hot with the crowds through 1998 and 1999...and like other major mid-card stars from Raven to Booker T and so forth, WCW didn't bother to push them beyond. So really, you think Joe getting the strap ISN'T too little, too late? *commence golf clap*
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 17, 2008 14:59:22 GMT -5
Not really, he never appeared with it on TV after that night as he was gone the next day and the decision overturned. If he had stayed, maybe, but we'll never know how it would've went down. Also, Benoit was not a main event guy till 99, so it's not they were going to push him in 96-97 when the nWo was the hot ticket. Dude, Benoit was hot with the crowds through 1998 and 1999...and like other major mid-card stars from Raven to Booker T and so forth, WCW didn't bother to push them beyond. So really, you think Joe getting the strap ISN'T too little, too late? *commence golf clap* He was a hot midcard act, but was not pushed as a main eventer till late 99. Maybe if they did you could say it was too little, too late, but Benoit was never in a main event program with the likes of Hogan, Hall, Nash etc. unlike Joe who's had several main event matches only to come up short. Also, not everyone has to win the World Title. I think I said earlier that they kinda missed the boat on the title push if that is their plan currently.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 17, 2008 15:45:43 GMT -5
I hope I'm not the only one who got this. I get it. And if only 3 people get it, then I fear for the youth. AH HERE WE GO!
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Post by rrm15 on Jan 17, 2008 15:51:06 GMT -5
Too late.
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Post by humorousled on Jan 17, 2008 19:12:27 GMT -5
Hopefully, this will happen since Joe should have been champ long ago. There is no bad time to win the world title and most TNA fans will still go nuts when Joe finally wins the title. Joe is the future of the company and he being the champion would help to mark the difference between TNA and WWE and show the unique strenghts that TNA have. Once they put the title on Joe, all TNA needs to show how different they are is to finally get rid of Russo who is Vince McMahon's crazy clone.
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Post by rra on Jan 17, 2008 20:22:07 GMT -5
Hopefully, this will happen since Joe should have been champ long ago. There is no bad time to win the world title and most TNA fans will still go nuts when Joe finally wins the title. Joe is the future of the company and he being the champion would help to mark the difference between TNA and WWE and show the unique strenghts that TNA have. Once they put the title on Joe, all TNA needs to show how different they are is to finally get rid of Russo who is Vince McMahon's crazy clone. Your entire premise is a paradox. If the fans go nuts for Joe as champ, Russo can argue that his booking scheme is validated.
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Post by rra on Jan 17, 2008 20:28:52 GMT -5
Dude, Benoit was hot with the crowds through 1998 and 1999...and like other major mid-card stars from Raven to Booker T and so forth, WCW didn't bother to push them beyond. So really, you think Joe getting the strap ISN'T too little, too late? *commence golf clap* He was a hot midcard act, but was not pushed as a main eventer till late 99. Maybe if they did you could say it was too little, too late, but Benoit was never in a main event program with the likes of Hogan, Hall, Nash etc. unlike Joe who's had several main event matches only to come up short. Also, not everyone has to win the World Title. I think I said earlier that they kinda missed the boat on the title push if that is their plan currently. Benoit wasn't in the main event program because Bischoff/Russo didn't book him seriously up there. You're writing like its Benoit's fault, and makes me wonder if you've actually know anything at all about WCW in that time-frame. And no, not everyone has to win the World title, but when you have stars very popular, moving merchandise, and get great support in the crowds.... You capitalize on it, thus Capitalism. WCW failed to capitalize on Benoit, Chris Jericho, Booker T, Eddie Guerrero, Finlay, Raven...... Imagine if Bischoff had, and used them to quietly retire out the old pricey WWFer free agents... WCW would have probably stayed in business beyond spring 2001, and maybe even still be in business today. Fact is, Samoa Joe is a great worker that TNA has squandered, and I felt Joe's pain with that now-legendary promo of his.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 17, 2008 21:53:57 GMT -5
He was a hot midcard act, but was not pushed as a main eventer till late 99. Maybe if they did you could say it was too little, too late, but Benoit was never in a main event program with the likes of Hogan, Hall, Nash etc. unlike Joe who's had several main event matches only to come up short. Also, not everyone has to win the World Title. I think I said earlier that they kinda missed the boat on the title push if that is their plan currently. Benoit wasn't in the main event program because Bischoff/Russo didn't book him seriously up there. You're writing like its Benoit's fault, and makes me wonder if you've actually know anything at all about WCW in that time-frame. And no, not everyone has to win the World title, but when you have stars very popular, moving merchandise, and get great support in the crowds.... You capitalize on it, thus Capitalism. WCW failed to capitalize on Benoit, Chris Jericho, Booker T, Eddie Guerrero, Finlay, Raven...... Imagine if Bischoff had, and used them to quietly retire out the old pricey WWFer free agents... WCW would have probably stayed in business beyond spring 2001, and maybe even still be in business today. Fact is, Samoa Joe is a great worker that TNA has squandered, and I felt Joe's pain with that now-legendary promo of his. Finlay was never that over in WCW, he makes a good midcard act at best that's all. I have nearly every WCW season from 92-onward and I'd say I know quite a lot about it. I never said it was Benoit's fault, just saying that in 96-97 he wasn't a main event player. WCW had more than enough with Sting,Flair,Giant Luger,Steiners, Hall, Nash and DDP who were more over than he was. So Benoit did not need to be in the World Title picture at that point as he was involved in a year long feud with Kevin Sullivan from 96-97. If he had multiple chances like Joe did, then I'd say they were similar, but they aren't as he didn't get a title push till late 99 and got the title in Jan.2000. Benoit was not moving any merchandise as he didn't have any, the only merch he had was a few variations of the 4 Horsemen shirt which was a group shirt. Maybe WCW would still be around and maybe not if they had been pushed, but we'll never know for sure.
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Post by ICBM on Jan 17, 2008 22:47:26 GMT -5
I won't say Joe should've had it two years ago but it damn sure should have happened say...during one of the five PPV matches he had with Angle. If Angle who was destined to be the champ, would have agreed to drop it to Joe last year there would have been more intreset in the fifth and 20th Joe/Angle matches
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Post by rra on Jan 17, 2008 23:25:18 GMT -5
Benoit wasn't in the main event program because Bischoff/Russo didn't book him seriously up there. You're writing like its Benoit's fault, and makes me wonder if you've actually know anything at all about WCW in that time-frame. And no, not everyone has to win the World title, but when you have stars very popular, moving merchandise, and get great support in the crowds.... You capitalize on it, thus Capitalism. WCW failed to capitalize on Benoit, Chris Jericho, Booker T, Eddie Guerrero, Finlay, Raven...... Imagine if Bischoff had, and used them to quietly retire out the old pricey WWFer free agents... WCW would have probably stayed in business beyond spring 2001, and maybe even still be in business today. Fact is, Samoa Joe is a great worker that TNA has squandered, and I felt Joe's pain with that now-legendary promo of his. Finlay was never that over in WCW, he makes a good midcard act at best that's all. I have nearly every WCW season from 92-onward and I'd say I know quite a lot about it. I never said it was Benoit's fault, just saying that in 96-97 he wasn't a main event player. WCW had more than enough with Sting,Flair,Giant Luger,Steiners, Hall, Nash and DDP who were more over than he was. So Benoit did not need to be in the World Title picture at that point as he was involved in a year long feud with Kevin Sullivan from 96-97. If he had multiple chances like Joe did, then I'd say they were similar, but they aren't as he didn't get a title push till late 99 and got the title in Jan.2000. Benoit was not moving any merchandise as he didn't have any, the only merch he had was a few variations of the 4 Horsemen shirt which was a group shirt. Maybe WCW would still be around and maybe not if they had been pushed, but we'll never know for sure. Has anyone noticed that in 2 straight postings, he never mentions 1998?
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 18, 2008 6:16:43 GMT -5
Hopefully, this will happen since Joe should have been champ long ago. There is no bad time to win the world title and most TNA fans will still go nuts when Joe finally wins the title. Joe is the future of the company and he being the champion would help to mark the difference between TNA and WWE and show the unique strenghts that TNA have. Once they put the title on Joe, all TNA needs to show how different they are is to finally get rid of Russo who is Vince McMahon's crazy clone. Sorry I think that if your current gimmick is that of a whiny bitch, and suddenly you get moved into a title program through some radical personality shift (or as M.Night might say, "A TWEEST"), then it is probably a bit too late. 2006 was the year it should've happened, hell, 2007 even, especially during that whole "one man gets all the titles thing." I think it would've been a good message to show that Joe, being a TNA star, could beat one of the best former WWE stars in Kurt Angle. Instead we've been subjected to the horror of the Kurt Angle and Wife Variety Hour since then.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 18, 2008 8:11:54 GMT -5
Finlay was never that over in WCW, he makes a good midcard act at best that's all. I have nearly every WCW season from 92-onward and I'd say I know quite a lot about it. I never said it was Benoit's fault, just saying that in 96-97 he wasn't a main event player. WCW had more than enough with Sting,Flair,Giant Luger,Steiners, Hall, Nash and DDP who were more over than he was. So Benoit did not need to be in the World Title picture at that point as he was involved in a year long feud with Kevin Sullivan from 96-97. If he had multiple chances like Joe did, then I'd say they were similar, but they aren't as he didn't get a title push till late 99 and got the title in Jan.2000. Benoit was not moving any merchandise as he didn't have any, the only merch he had was a few variations of the 4 Horsemen shirt which was a group shirt. Maybe WCW would still be around and maybe not if they had been pushed, but we'll never know for sure. Has anyone noticed that in 2 straight postings, he never mentions 1998? Ok, I'll mention 1998, he was in contention for the TV title mostly after an unsuccessful bid for the U.S title against Booker.T, won it on several house shows and lost it before Finlay beat Booker on the 5/4/98 edition of Monday Nitro, leading to their much heralded Best of 7 series which Booker won. Then in the summer of 98 on the 6/22/98 edition of Monday Nitro, Bret Hart injures Benoit putting him on the shelf for 4 months, and Benoit comes back later in the year on the 9/14/98 Monday Nitro reuniting the Horsemen. Benoit throughout this whole time was not a maineventer yet, and frankly I don't think it was a bad thing as there were still people far more over than he was. Do you feel better now?
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Jan 18, 2008 11:37:00 GMT -5
If someone's credibility was killed and no one bothered to watch it, did it still happen?
Joe winning the title could still be cool IMO.
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