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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 29, 2008 15:36:34 GMT -5
Angle only defended the belt against Sting because he beat up Sting's kid. Sting didn't have second thoughts about the title until that happened. Oh man, I just had "I'll make sure to give him that congratulatory slap on the ass" flashback. S***, Kurt... wasn't beastiality sex enough for you... Oh man, I almost forgot about how horrible that was.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 29, 2008 15:36:39 GMT -5
I thought their title just became a world title this year. Or it didn't. I can't remember if Angle put it on the line on Global Impact or not. Face it, ROH title has a ton of credibility behind it and is one of the few titles that is defended around the world as much as possible. When was the last time TNA put on a great match with the title at stake? Seems to me like it's been a long damn time. Like Rated said, it takes a backseat to AJ, and the Angle's. If TNA made their title the focus of the show, and not some silly backstage antics where a real life married man is having an affair with his "friend's" wife I could see where you were coming from. I think the best recent match for the world title was Kaz vs. Angle. A match that sadly, did not do much for Kaz it seems, but that's a different problem. Now Kaz is being buried in a feud where he steals Black Reign's stuff, like his rat, and his wig, and That Darkness Falls Weapon.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 29, 2008 15:40:26 GMT -5
I think the best recent match for the world title was Kaz vs. Angle. A match that sadly, did not do much for Kaz it seems, but that's a different problem. Now Kaz is being buried in a feud where he steals Black Reign's stuff, like his rat, and his wig, and That Darkness Falls Weapon. Howe the hell is he buried? He hasn't lost to the guy. He beat him the last time they met, and is on top of the feud. How is that buried? Jeez, that word gets thrown around TOO MUCH around here.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 29, 2008 15:42:32 GMT -5
Now Kaz is being buried in a feud where he steals Black Reign's stuff, like his rat, and his wig, and That Darkness Falls Weapon. Howe the hell is he buried? He hasn't lost to the guy. He beat him the last time they met, and is on top of the feud. How is that buried? Jeez, that word gets thrown around TOO MUCH around here. Kaz wins a tournament, valiantly loses a title match, and rides that wave all the way down the card into a feud with a guy who has a terrible win/loss ratio by stealing his crap and fighting him in pole matches for it. That may not be burying, but it's certainly not using Kaz to the extent that I feel they should.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 29, 2008 15:43:07 GMT -5
Now Kaz is being buried in a feud where he steals Black Reign's stuff, like his rat, and his wig, and That Darkness Falls Weapon. Howe the hell is he buried? He hasn't lost to the guy. He beat him the last time they met, and is on top of the feud. How is that buried? Jeez, that word gets thrown around TOO MUCH around here. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "buried", but going from a guy who looked like he was on his way up and having great matches with top tier talent to suddenly feuding with a guy with a silly gimmick who's ten years past his prime and makes no impact in the company does seem like a bit of a downgrade.
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Jan 29, 2008 15:43:09 GMT -5
Face it, ROH title has a ton of credibility behind it and is one of the few titles that is defended around the world as much as possible. How can a title have credibility in a fake sport? Seriously. Not to go all Russo, but they're just props to tell a story. I beg to differ. I see wrestling as an art sort of like theater mixed with althletics, therefore it's not just "some fake guys in underwear touching each other" as people who dislike wrestling say. The title does mean somthing as it represents the holders work in this industry, there are no moments like winning your first belt for some guys.
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Post by Rube on Jan 29, 2008 15:54:21 GMT -5
How can a title have credibility in a fake sport? Seriously. Not to go all Russo, but they're just props to tell a story. I beg to differ. I see wrestling as an art sort of like theater mixed with althletics, therefore it's not just "some fake guys in underwear touching each other" as people who dislike wrestling say. The title does mean somthing as it represents the holders work in this industry, there are no moments like winning your first belt for some guys. I know it means a lot to some wrestlers, but not to me. I see wrestling as a tv show or movie, and belts are just a plot point to start/further a story. They're not about the holders work in the industry, but about who can make for entertaining tv. I do respect and admire the athleticism of wrestlers, and I love the actual matches as much as the story element.
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Post by hollywood on Jan 29, 2008 16:03:32 GMT -5
I'm still baffled that belts mean something to people. Agreed. Oh, and I hate Kurt Angle now.
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Post by big nasty on Jan 29, 2008 16:27:14 GMT -5
Howe the hell is he buried? He hasn't lost to the guy. He beat him the last time they met, and is on top of the feud. How is that buried? Jeez, that word gets thrown around TOO MUCH around here. Kaz wins a tournament, valiantly loses a title match, and rides that wave all the way down the card into a feud with a guy who has a terrible win/loss ratio by stealing his crap and fighting him in pole matches for it. That may not be burying, but it's certainly not using Kaz to the extent that I feel they should. its possible that he didnt get the reaction from the fans that TNA thought he would. i also have wondered why his push (for lack of a better word) suddenly stopped after what, 1 or 2 matches against angle? it seemed like he was over, but its hard to tell watching TNA on tv, everyone gets a pop. idk, but its the only reason i can think of. he didnt get the response TNA wanted, or they felt the angle christian AJ story was more worthwhile to pursue longterm.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 29, 2008 17:25:43 GMT -5
a Headless Nigel just wrestled Chris Hero for 45 minutes, Meltzer gave it 4 and a half stars. Meanwhile Kurt Angle was wandering around in his underwear again.
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Post by comahan on Jan 29, 2008 17:28:33 GMT -5
a Headless Nigel just wrestled Chris Hero for 45 minutes, Meltzer gave it 4 and a half stars. Meanwhile Kurt Angle was wandering around in his underwear again. The next week: An underwear clad Kurt Angle just wrestled Christian cage for 30 minutes, Meltzer gave it 4 stars. Meanwhile Nigel was scratched from another show in which he would have defended his title... due to decapitation.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 29, 2008 17:34:37 GMT -5
LOL.
the titles in TNA are so inconsequential at the moment, that's the problem with your theory, they are even less of a story tool. The TNA belt is on the left shoulder of Kurt Angle, but I wouldn't consider it the number one belt.
That is still the World Heavyweight Title to me. Edge, Batista, Rey Mysterio, and Undertaker are vying for it...on RAW the guys who are fighting for it are Orton, Cena, HHH, HBK, Umaga, JBL, and Chris Jericho.
Both of those titles will be made to look like the GOAL of every wrestler in WWE in the coming months into wrestlemania.
as of now..nope..
your opinion, but heh...
The TNA title has been defended in montreal..making it a world title..
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Post by metylerca on Jan 29, 2008 17:44:33 GMT -5
The TNA Title is still very new, and has only had a handful of holders. With Kurt Angle, it is more of a prop. And yes, it's TNA, so not much of anything has true lineage. If there is any credibility, it's probably during one of their commercial breaks. Give it 2 years, and a long meaningful title run before it's anywhere near the World Heavyweight Championship or WWE Title.
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Post by slasher911 on Jan 29, 2008 17:50:59 GMT -5
a Headless Nigel just wrestled Chris Hero for 45 minutes, Meltzer gave it 4 and a half stars. Meanwhile Kurt Angle was wandering around in his underwear again. The next week: An underwear clad Kurt Angle just wrestled Christian cage for 30 minutes, Meltzer gave it 4 stars. Meanwhile Nigel was scratched from another show in which he would have defended his title... due to decapitation. The next week: Nigel's decapitated body put on a 40-minute wrestling clinic with Bryan Danielson that had Meltzer asking for a condom and a cigarette. No details on what the condom was for. Kurt Angle could not stand for comment, as he was drunk.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 29, 2008 17:56:51 GMT -5
Oh that crazy Kurt I'm still waiting for him to be arrested for wrestling while intoxicated. I mean man oh man that would make for a great storyline. C'mon Russo 'ol buddy 'ol pal book it!
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Post by laotioncommotion on Jan 29, 2008 18:42:04 GMT -5
The TNA Title is still very new, and has only had a handful of holders. With Kurt Angle, it is more of a prop. And yes, it's TNA, so not much of anything has true lineage. If there is any credibility, it's probably during one of their commercial breaks. Give it 2 years, and a long meaningful title run before it's anywhere near the World Heavyweight Championship or WWE Title. Well, the World Heavyweight Championship hasn't been around very long. Unless you count the WCW history, which you shouldn't. Plus, the World Heavyweight Championship started off by being handed to Triple H, and was basically his personal property for the better part of 2 years. Are you only counting the TNA title as having existed since they got rid of the NWA belt? Or from TNA's inception? If it's just since they started using the current belt, I could see where you're coming from.
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Post by Adam Pacman Khan (akkilla) on Jan 29, 2008 20:47:18 GMT -5
I beg to differ. I see wrestling as an art sort of like theater mixed with althletics, therefore it's not just "some fake guys in underwear touching each other" as people who dislike wrestling say. The title does mean somthing as it represents the holders work in this industry, there are no moments like winning your first belt for some guys. I know it means a lot to some wrestlers, but not to me. I see wrestling as a tv show or movie, and belts are just a plot point to start/further a story. They're not about the holders work in the industry, but about who can make for entertaining tv. I do respect and admire the athleticism of wrestlers, and I love the actual matches as much as the story element. C'mon you can't tell me you havent marked out when your Favourite wrestler won the big one.
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Post by metylerca on Jan 29, 2008 21:16:40 GMT -5
The TNA Title is still very new, and has only had a handful of holders. With Kurt Angle, it is more of a prop. And yes, it's TNA, so not much of anything has true lineage. If there is any credibility, it's probably during one of their commercial breaks. Give it 2 years, and a long meaningful title run before it's anywhere near the World Heavyweight Championship or WWE Title. Well, the World Heavyweight Championship hasn't been around very long. Unless you count the WCW history, which you shouldn't. Plus, the World Heavyweight Championship started off by being handed to Triple H, and was basically his personal property for the better part of 2 years. Are you only counting the TNA title as having existed since they got rid of the NWA belt? Or from TNA's inception? If it's just since they started using the current belt, I could see where you're coming from. The one without NWA affiliation.
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Post by Reverend BTY on Jan 29, 2008 21:20:40 GMT -5
No. The TNA title has a lineage of just over a year? The all the titles you mentioned have been around longer. That makes them more important IMO. Now if you wanted to debate the champions, then you'd have an argument. The next week: An underwear clad Kurt Angle just wrestled Christian cage for 30 minutes, Meltzer gave it 4 stars. Meanwhile Nigel was scratched from another show in which he would have defended his title... due to decapitation. The next week: Nigel's decapitated body put on a 40-minute wrestling clinic with Bryan Danielson that had Meltzer asking for a condom and a cigarette. No details on what the condom was for. Kurt Angle could not stand for comment, as he was drunk. Was Kurt Angle arrest the police with pills in his mouth? Otherwise, it's just a random bald guy.
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Post by laotioncommotion on Jan 29, 2008 22:07:41 GMT -5
Well, the World Heavyweight Championship hasn't been around very long. Unless you count the WCW history, which you shouldn't. Plus, the World Heavyweight Championship started off by being handed to Triple H, and was basically his personal property for the better part of 2 years. Are you only counting the TNA title as having existed since they got rid of the NWA belt? Or from TNA's inception? If it's just since they started using the current belt, I could see where you're coming from. The one without NWA affiliation. So that pretty much means just since Angle won it. Yeah, then it hasn't really been around very long. You're probably right.
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