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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 29, 2008 23:19:57 GMT -5
A world title belt is best used to help a wrestler that needs some time to get over and/or make him a legit star in the company. Like RKO'wnd should have the belt now because otherwise no one would take him seriously (not that they especially do now but still). Anyway it seems to me that Kurt holding the belt for so long is silly only because he doesn't need it any more. A guy like Tomko needs the belt or Styles or pretty much anyone else they want to push to the main event status. To me that's the only non-kayfaybe reason for there to be drama over a belt. Otherwise - it doesn't really matter who has it. No the World title should be on the guy people pay to see. What you want TNA to do is basicly to the belt as the WWE used to do with the I-C title. Look at the history of the world champions. Hogan: The biggest raw in the 80s. Was World Champion just about the whole time. He was the top guy and people paid to see him. Which to me is best because if your face and beat him. That what makes you legit Main Eventer by beating the champion. Austin: Biggest Draw in the late 90s into the 00s. He was champion and fans wanted it that way. Everyone wanted to be the man to stop Austin. You think Attitude era would been as big of Austin was chasing the champion the whole time and the title focus was one someone else? Better yet you think WCW would ever became big if Hogan didn't hold the World title. I mean look at Wrestlemania or all big PPVs. Who is normally fighting for the belt? The two most popular or hottest guys.
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Post by laotioncommotion on Jan 30, 2008 0:13:49 GMT -5
A world title belt is best used to help a wrestler that needs some time to get over and/or make him a legit star in the company. Like RKO'wnd should have the belt now because otherwise no one would take him seriously (not that they especially do now but still). Anyway it seems to me that Kurt holding the belt for so long is silly only because he doesn't need it any more. A guy like Tomko needs the belt or Styles or pretty much anyone else they want to push to the main event status. To me that's the only non-kayfaybe reason for there to be drama over a belt. Otherwise - it doesn't really matter who has it. No the World title should be on the guy people pay to see. What you want TNA to do is basicly to the belt as the WWE used to do with the I-C title. Look at the history of the world champions. Hogan: The biggest raw in the 80s. Was World Champion just about the whole time. He was the top guy and people paid to see him. Which to me is best because if your face and beat him. That what makes you legit Main Eventer by beating the champion. Austin: Biggest Draw in the late 90s into the 00s. He was champion and fans wanted it that way. Everyone wanted to be the man to stop Austin. You think Attitude era would been as big of Austin was chasing the champion the whole time and the title focus was one someone else? Better yet you think WCW would ever became big if Hogan didn't hold the World title. I mean look at Wrestlemania or all big PPVs. Who is normally fighting for the belt? The two most popular or hottest guys. Too true. It's not that any of those guys needed the belt to get over, it's that the belt needed them. WWE didn't put the belt on Cena to help him get over, they did it because he was already over and holding the belt helped their main event angle. I can't think of one situation where a world title was used in the capacity that guy was talking about. Angle is the best candidate to hold the TNA belt because he's been a draw before, and he was one of the more popular wrestlers in WWE when he was there.
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Post by YouStayClassy on Jan 30, 2008 0:18:03 GMT -5
It's up there for sure, but I don't think #1.
But I've gotta say, Angle activately trying to get out of having to defend the belt at the PPV didn't do it any favours at all.
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Post by mysterydriver on Jan 30, 2008 0:28:54 GMT -5
TNA World Title...#1?
I respect your opinion, but I'll say what everyone is thinking...
"No one will question who is number one the moment CHIKARA makes a title belt."
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Jan 30, 2008 2:18:41 GMT -5
TNA World Title...#1? I respect your opinion, but I'll say what everyone is thinking... "No one will question who is number one the moment CHIKARA makes a title belt." Because everyone will be really debating over the ROH and WHC titles. ;D
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Post by Bobby Womack on Jan 30, 2008 2:43:33 GMT -5
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, i think kurts one of the best that ever did it but compared to the wwe titles its a bush league belt
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Post by hollywood on Jan 30, 2008 12:47:02 GMT -5
This debate is really pointless.
Everyone knows the most prestigious title of all time is the one that once graced the waist of the Ultra Man himself--the OSW Heavyweight Title.
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Post by comahan on Jan 30, 2008 12:49:53 GMT -5
Most of you are taking this as him saying TNA's belt is the most prestigious (im not referring to Hollywood's Ultra Man post ). Hes just saying that he thinks TNA has the best Main Event scene. That they have the best mix of talent going after the belt. This isnt a "NO WAY! Its too young of a title and The Company isnt as popular as WWE!" type of thing.
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Post by emoney3265 on Jan 30, 2008 12:52:48 GMT -5
In my opinion the TNA title is the title that has the best guys after it. IMO Kurt Angle is the most complete wrestler there is at the moment and he is rightfully holding titles in the US and Japan. He is a legit fighter and he can personify whatever character they give him - from psycho wrestling machine to goofy arrogant. The guys after the title are equally great. TNA has GREAT main eventers and even outside the main event there are great guys who could grow (back) into it (Tomko, Booker, AJ, Storm, Morgan). And the other 3 big World Titles? ECW - a midcard joke WWE - Orton was a lame transitional placeholder for Cena and HHH. I really don't give a smurfing damn about some should-be-upper-midcarder to push himself towards Flair's record. No he sure is NOT that good! True main eventers: Cena and WHO? World - Ok this one comes close. The Undertaker clearly isn't that imtimidating anymore, but Edge is awesome. However, Smackdown needs some more competition to that title. Perhaps Jericho will come over or RVD will come back... Until then. I don't see any World Title at the moment to look as prestigious as the TNA World Title. Maybe it's because TNA has just got ONE roster and ONE main title people are after. Edit: A roster and title unification would make the WWE World Title much more significant than both of their World Titles are now. I don't recall Jim Neidhart coming out of retirement and going after the title.* *I didn't read the whole thread so forgive me if the joke was already made.
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Post by hollywood on Jan 30, 2008 13:02:10 GMT -5
Most of you are taking this as him saying TNA's belt is the most prestigious ( im not referring to Hollywood's Ultra Man post ). Hes just saying that he thinks TNA has the best Main Event scene. That they have the best mix of talent going after the belt. This isnt a "NO WAY! Its too young of a title and The Company isnt as popular as WWE!" type of thing. I stand by my post, due to the fact that at one time the OSW Heavyweight Belt was being vied for by a main event scene that included the Ultra Man. He has since decided to allow others to hold the title in his place out of the sheer kindness in his ultra heart (because, after all, no one can REALLY beat him). He is currently amusing himself by heckling OSW's owner and promoter, Jamie "Bad Boy" Philips.
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Post by comahan on Jan 30, 2008 13:07:40 GMT -5
Most of you are taking this as him saying TNA's belt is the most prestigious ( im not referring to Hollywood's Ultra Man post ). Hes just saying that he thinks TNA has the best Main Event scene. That they have the best mix of talent going after the belt. This isnt a "NO WAY! Its too young of a title and The Company isnt as popular as WWE!" type of thing. I stand by my post, due to the fact that at one time the OSW Heavyweight Belt was being vied for by a main event scene that included the Ultra Man. He has since decided to allow others to hold the title in his place out of the sheer kindness in his ultra heart (because, after all, no one can REALLY beat him). He is currently amusing himself by heckling OSW's owner and promoter, Jamie "Bad Boy" Philips. Hey hey, I wasnt disagreeing with you. How could I? Theres no denying the Ultra Man.
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Post by hollywood on Jan 30, 2008 13:17:17 GMT -5
I stand by my post, due to the fact that at one time the OSW Heavyweight Belt was being vied for by a main event scene that included the Ultra Man. He has since decided to allow others to hold the title in his place out of the sheer kindness in his ultra heart (because, after all, no one can REALLY beat him). He is currently amusing himself by heckling OSW's owner and promoter, Jamie "Bad Boy" Philips. Hey hey, I wasnt disagreeing with you. How could I? Theres no denying the Ultra Man. Damn straight. When TNA finally signs on the Ultra Man, and he destroys Kurt Angle with the sheer awesominity of the Power Glove...then, and only then, will TNA officially have the most prestigious belt in all of pro wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2008 16:35:19 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think the belt matters that much. TNA has good top card feuds, but I never get the impression that people want the belt that badly. The belt seems to exist outside of guys like Cage, Angle, Joe, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2008 16:57:02 GMT -5
I hate the whole "prestige" debate with titles.
Whichever title draws the most money is most "prestigious".
So by default, it's the spinner belt.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 30, 2008 17:38:46 GMT -5
Whichever title draws the most money is most "prestigious". So by default, it's the spinner belt. NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Post by ICBM on Jan 30, 2008 19:55:43 GMT -5
The spinner title by it's sheer appearance makes a mockery of all past WWF/WWE champions. Hogan, Flair, Jericho, Rock, Bret, Yokozuna...ok ommit that last one. The TNA worl title is recognized by PWI and has been defended over seas. It is a world title. The AJ/Cage/Angle deal dilluted and devalued the belt but it is indeed more valuable to me than the WWE title, for sure the ECW title and as far as the World Heavyweight championship on SD is concerned that stopped being a World title the day a jewler etched the WWE logo on the top of it
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 30, 2008 20:41:47 GMT -5
I hate the whole "prestige" debate with titles. Whichever title draws the most money is most "prestigious". So by default, it's the spinner belt. Yup
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Post by wolfmoon103100 on Jan 30, 2008 21:33:53 GMT -5
No title is bigger than the E
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jan 31, 2008 1:42:33 GMT -5
lol @ the TNA title being #1. The TNA title has NO prestige behind it. Even as the NWA title with lineage going back to Ric Flair and Ricky Steamboat, the belt wasn't even close to #1. A title's value isn't determined based on who the champion is, rather how much have the athletes gone through to obtain the title. Winning the WWE championship is the highest achievement in pro wrestling. TNA hasn't been around nearly long enough to compete.
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Post by hollywood on Jan 31, 2008 12:11:59 GMT -5
The Ultra Man laughs at your silly titles and their obvious feelings of inadequacy.
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