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Post by arrogantmodel on Jun 22, 2008 20:03:29 GMT -5
The Chris Warren band wouldn't be anywhere if Johnston hadn't offered them a job. And The Rock and Austin's themes aren't some of the most recognizable and iconic themes in wrestling history? You know exactly who is coming out when you hear a car crash or the trumpets in Foley's and Angle's music. Johnston has done an incredible job. He didn't write them (DX and our time) though. Using that logic Vince should get credit for writing them because its his money that payrolled the CWB. Austin's was glass smashing followed by generic rock I couldn't recite to you. The Rock was a sample of the Rock churning out an annoying (in my opinion) catchphrase. Angle I covered in a previous post, and Foley's I'm not aware of. The piano theme for Mankind was halfway decent though. He worked with them to come up with the songs, hence Chris Warren saying, "Yo, Jimmy...hit me with that Triple H."
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Jun 22, 2008 20:07:47 GMT -5
He didn't write them (DX and our time) though. Using that logic Vince should get credit for writing them because its his money that payrolled the CWB. Austin's was glass smashing followed by generic rock I couldn't recite to you. The Rock was a sample of the Rock churning out an annoying (in my opinion) catchphrase. Angle I covered in a previous post, and Foley's I'm not aware of. The piano theme for Mankind was halfway decent though. He worked with them to come up with the songs, hence Chris Warren saying, "Yo, Jimmy...hit me with that Triple H." Ok then, I'll concede those two. Two in 10-15 years? Not a great success rate. He was amazing in the 80s-early 90s. Every theme had indivuality and character. I've mostly muted the entrance music for the longest time now, because it bores me.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Jun 22, 2008 20:10:20 GMT -5
Vince's perhaps, Angle's was a re-hash of the patriot and just a bit bland, and NAO I couldn't pick it out for you, I don't remember it at all. NAO, with Road Dogg's, "OH, YOU DIDN'T KNOW...". The crowd would explode for those guys. Angle's was bland, but that was supposed to be his character when he first came out. Moral-authority, Kurt Angle. He made it iconic with his in ring and mic skills. Edge is tearing it up now, he's used the same theme for years now, except when he used the Rob Zombie song, even then he had the, "You Think You Know Me", to start it. Angle's was always The Patriot to me, which was a character and angle I LOVED. NAO, honestly can't remember it, but I will also concede there that I usually switched over when NAO appeared.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 22, 2008 20:12:13 GMT -5
JJ is leaving? Well there goes the good music, hello generic rock They'll probably need someone to do music for them, unless they decide to just use library music, but it does seem like it's a sign of them moving towards licensed music.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jun 22, 2008 20:13:09 GMT -5
He worked with them to come up with the songs, hence Chris Warren saying, "Yo, Jimmy...hit me with that Triple H." Ok then, I'll concede those two. Two in 10-15 years? Not a great success rate. He was amazing in the 80s-early 90s. Every theme had indivuality and character. I've mostly muted the entrance music for the longest time now, because it bores me. Say what you want about the music and if you like it or not, the guy has come up with some of the most RECOGNIZABLE themes ever. To say he hasn't done squat in the past 15 years is, in all honesty...retarded. Just because you don't like the music doesn't mean he hasn't done good work. Do you mute it when you hear those horns and that repetitive and lame catchphrase, "You can't see me...my time is now!"?
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Post by tap on Jun 22, 2008 20:14:36 GMT -5
JJ is leaving? Well there goes the good music, hello generic rock They'll probably need someone to do music for them, unless they decide to just use library music, but it does seem like it's a sign of them moving towards licensed music. Which means 20 years from now when we get future DVDs (or whatever format is hot at the time) we'll get the pleasure of having these songs dubbed over with wrestling muzak.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Jun 22, 2008 20:17:39 GMT -5
Ok then, I'll concede those two. Two in 10-15 years? Not a great success rate. He was amazing in the 80s-early 90s. Every theme had indivuality and character. I've mostly muted the entrance music for the longest time now, because it bores me. Say what you want about the music and if you like it or not, the guy has come up with some of the most RECOGNIZABLE themes ever. To say he hasn't done squat in the past 15 years is, in all honesty...retarded. Just because you don't like the music doesn't mean he hasn't done good work. Do you mute it when you hear those horns and that repetitive and lame catchphrase, "You can't see me...my time is now!"? I wouldn't recognise them, so at least to my point of view I would have to just disagree with you there. I didn't say he hadn't done anything, I said of little consequence. His iconic stuff came with Hitman and The Warrior theme, that era. I like Cena and his theme music, so to me they aren't "lame". Its different, you know its Cena, it sets him apart. Same as, as soon as the Motorhead chord hits you know its Triple H and (up until recently), as soon as you heard "HEY" you knew it was Orton.
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Post by Derk! on Jun 22, 2008 20:18:08 GMT -5
JJ is leaving? Well there goes the good music, hello even more generic rock Fixed.
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Post by MM is on a Drunken Patera Rant on Jun 22, 2008 20:18:24 GMT -5
This could be a good thing. The music in WWE has been stagnant and horrible for awhile. Not saying Johnston wasn't good, the music just got stale. I'm excited for this.
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Post by S-Chrome on Jun 22, 2008 20:23:28 GMT -5
While his work has slipped recently (after 2004), Johnston is the man, and his musical touch will be missed.
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Post by seano on Jun 22, 2008 20:23:47 GMT -5
Wait a minute......didn't Johnston just recently (like, last week) say that there was gonna be an Anthology Vol.2 later this year?? How is that possible if he's leaving...?!
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Post by arrogantmodel on Jun 22, 2008 20:27:11 GMT -5
Say what you want about the music and if you like it or not, the guy has come up with some of the most RECOGNIZABLE themes ever. To say he hasn't done squat in the past 15 years is, in all honesty...retarded. Just because you don't like the music doesn't mean he hasn't done good work. Do you mute it when you hear those horns and that repetitive and lame catchphrase, "You can't see me...my time is now!"? I wouldn't recognise them, so at least to my point of view I would have to just disagree with you there. I didn't say he hadn't done anything, I said of little consequence. His iconic stuff came with Hitman and The Warrior theme, that era. I like Cena and his theme music, so to me they aren't "lame". Its different, you know its Cena, it sets him apart. Same as, as soon as the Motorhead chord hits you know its Triple H and (up until recently), as soon as you heard "HEY" you knew it was Orton. I was trying to make a point that if you like a wrestler, chances are you will like their theme music too. Thanks for the assist. HBK's theme is iconic, what about that one? So you disliked Angle and you hated NAO, you don't remember Foley's or anybody else's music on that list? How long have you been watching or how often do you watch that you can't recognize these themes? You selectively mute the music, except for the golden boys Cena and Triple H, so since you can't recognize these certain themes, Jim Johnston hasn't done anything good in 15+ years?
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jun 22, 2008 20:36:11 GMT -5
I guess you guys are forgetting Kozlov's theme.
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Post by The Tank on Jun 22, 2008 20:44:27 GMT -5
I guess you guys are forgetting Kozlov's theme. Pssh, that's just more evidence AGAINST Johnston. He couldn't think of a cool, Russian sounding song, so he just re-used Colin Delaney's music. He's a lazy bum.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Jun 22, 2008 20:52:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't recognise them, so at least to my point of view I would have to just disagree with you there. I didn't say he hadn't done anything, I said of little consequence. His iconic stuff came with Hitman and The Warrior theme, that era. I like Cena and his theme music, so to me they aren't "lame". Its different, you know its Cena, it sets him apart. Same as, as soon as the Motorhead chord hits you know its Triple H and (up until recently), as soon as you heard "HEY" you knew it was Orton. I was trying to make a point that if you like a wrestler, chances are you will like their theme music too. Thanks for the assist. HBK's theme is iconic, what about that one? So you disliked Angle and you hated NAO, you don't remember Foley's or anybody else's music on that list? How long have you been watching or how often do you watch that you can't recognize these themes? You selectively mute the music, except for the golden boys Cena and Triple H, so since you can't recognize these certain themes, Jim Johnston hasn't done anything good in 15+ years? Certainly liking the wrestler is a factor. You demonstrated that yourself by describing Cena's theme as "lame". I've been watching wrestling since about 1988-9 properly, although both my older brothers watched it too, so I saw it from very young. HBK's theme is iconic. The original also goes back to 1992, which is outside our window of discussion, Johnston was on his hot streak then. I didn't say I dislike Angle, I simply said firstly it wasn't iconic, it is a bit bland and secondly that it always makes me think of The Patriot. Angle is a favourite of mine, always has been since his debut, but for me the in ring and the promo's defined him, not the packaging. NAO, if I'm right in saying was just Road Dogg shouting over a repetitive loop of music. Nothing special there, the pop was produced by RD's speil on the mic, you could have played the Oompa Loompa song behind him and it would have worked because they were over. I didn't like them, but damn they were over. The music wasn't part of that to me. When I say "I don't remember it" I mean that if it were played with the video on the 'tron on TV, I would likely know it, but its not one of those themes that sticks in my head where I would say "Hey, remember so and so's theme?". Foley's non-Mankind themes don't stick out as being ones to remember at all. I give theme music a good chance, at least a month of listening sometimes more, but if it doesn't click with me, I mute the entrances, because outside of Bob Artese in the old ECW and Lillian Garcia, I don't particuarly enjoy the ring announcer schtick. Cena and Triple H's music I am a fan of and listen to. Matt Hardy's as a big Monster Magnet fan. Pretty much everything on TNA I like. Undertaker's of course. Slow Chemical for Kane made the original drone into a listenable song. Batista's Saliva record I like. Going back I loved Hitman, Sexy Boy, Man in a Box for Dreamer in ECW, Come Out and Play (Raven), Enter Sandman, Razor Ramon's tyre screaching theme, Warrior, Rick Rude's music, Demolition had great music. Most up until the mid-late 90s in WWF/E I love. Its just come attitude era, everything went downhill for Johnston on the whole.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 22, 2008 20:56:29 GMT -5
I was trying to make a point that if you like a wrestler, chances are you will like their theme music too. Thanks for the assist. HBK's theme is iconic, what about that one? So you disliked Angle and you hated NAO, you don't remember Foley's or anybody else's music on that list? How long have you been watching or how often do you watch that you can't recognize these themes? You selectively mute the music, except for the golden boys Cena and Triple H, so since you can't recognize these certain themes, Jim Johnston hasn't done anything good in 15+ years? Certainly liking the wrestler is a factor. You demonstrated that yourself by describing Cena's theme as "lame". I've been watching wrestling since about 1988-9 properly, although both my older brothers watched it too, so I saw it from very young. HBK's theme is iconic. The original also goes back to 1992, which is outside our window of discussion, Johnston was on his hot streak then. I didn't say I dislike Angle, I simply said firstly it wasn't iconic, it is a bit bland and secondly that it always makes me think of The Patriot. Angle is a favourite of mine, always has been since his debut, but for me the in ring and the promo's defined him, not the packaging. NAO, if I'm right in saying was just Road Dogg shouting over a repetitive loop of music. Nothing special there, the pop was produced by RD's speil on the mic, you could have played the Oompa Loompa song behind him and it would have worked because they were over. I didn't like them, but damn they were over. The music wasn't part of that to me. When I say "I don't remember it" I mean that if it were played with the video on the 'tron on TV, I would likely know it, but its not one of those themes that sticks in my head where I would say "Hey, remember so and so's theme?". Foley's non-Mankind themes don't stick out as being ones to remember at all. I give theme music a good chance, at least a month of listening sometimes more, but if it doesn't click with me, I mute the entrances, because outside of Bob Artese in the old ECW and Lillian Garcia, I don't particuarly enjoy the ring announcer schtick. Cena and Triple H's music I am a fan of and listen to. Matt Hardy's as a big Monster Magnet fan. Pretty much everything on TNA I like. Undertaker's of course. Slow Chemical for Kane made the original drone into a listenable song. Batista's Saliva record I like. Going back I loved Hitman, Sexy Boy, Man in a Box for Dreamer in ECW, Come Out and Play (Raven), Enter Sandman, Razor Ramon's tyre screaching theme, Warrior, Rick Rude's music, Demolition had great music. Most up until the mid-late 90s in WWF/E I love. Its just come attitude era, everything went downhill for Johnston on the whole. Look they may not be recognizable/iconic to you, but to many other people themes like "My Time" and "Break the Walls Down" were recognizeable and a big f***ing deal, so I don't see why this debate is even happening, first of all. Johnston's contributions cannot actually be questioned since the theme CDs (most of which had stuff done by Johnston on them) repeatedly sold well enough to warrant more of them. From a business standpoint he's a success up until around now when more licensed music is being used for people. So really it's all just down to personal opinion and I disagree that he was irrelevant, the BMI also doesn't find him irrelevant either.
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Jun 22, 2008 21:01:02 GMT -5
I was trying to make a point that if you like a wrestler, chances are you will like their theme music too. Thanks for the assist. HBK's theme is iconic, what about that one? So you disliked Angle and you hated NAO, you don't remember Foley's or anybody else's music on that list? How long have you been watching or how often do you watch that you can't recognize these themes? You selectively mute the music, except for the golden boys Cena and Triple H, so since you can't recognize these certain themes, Jim Johnston hasn't done anything good in 15+ years? Certainly liking the wrestler is a factor. You demonstrated that yourself by describing Cena's theme as "lame". I've been watching wrestling since about 1988-9 properly, although both my older brothers watched it too, so I saw it from very young. HBK's theme is iconic. The original also goes back to 1992, which is outside our window of discussion, Johnston was on his hot streak then. I didn't say I dislike Angle, I simply said firstly it wasn't iconic, it is a bit bland and secondly that it always makes me think of The Patriot. Angle is a favourite of mine, always has been since his debut, but for me the in ring and the promo's defined him, not the packaging. NAO, if I'm right in saying was just Road Dogg shouting over a repetitive loop of music. Nothing special there, the pop was produced by RD's speil on the mic, you could have played the Oompa Loompa song behind him and it would have worked because they were over. I didn't like them, but damn they were over. The music wasn't part of that to me. When I say "I don't remember it" I mean that if it were played with the video on the 'tron on TV, I would likely know it, but its not one of those themes that sticks in my head where I would say "Hey, remember so and so's theme?". Foley's non-Mankind themes don't stick out as being ones to remember at all. I give theme music a good chance, at least a month of listening sometimes more, but if it doesn't click with me, I mute the entrances, because outside of Bob Artese in the old ECW and Lillian Garcia, I don't particuarly enjoy the ring announcer schtick. Cena and Triple H's music I am a fan of and listen to. Matt Hardy's as a big Monster Magnet fan. Pretty much everything on TNA I like. Undertaker's of course. Slow Chemical for Kane made the original drone into a listenable song. Batista's Saliva record I like. Going back I loved Hitman, Sexy Boy, Man in a Box for Dreamer in ECW, Come Out and Play (Raven), Enter Sandman, Razor Ramon's tyre screaching theme, Warrior, Rick Rude's music, Demolition had great music. Most up until the mid-late 90s in WWF/E I love. Its just come attitude era, everything went downhill for Johnston on the whole. This post has been brought to you by the makers of Opinion over Fact. Yes, Opinion over Fact, when you want to show everyone why your word is the only thing that is right.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Jun 22, 2008 21:01:45 GMT -5
Certainly liking the wrestler is a factor. You demonstrated that yourself by describing Cena's theme as "lame". I've been watching wrestling since about 1988-9 properly, although both my older brothers watched it too, so I saw it from very young. HBK's theme is iconic. The original also goes back to 1992, which is outside our window of discussion, Johnston was on his hot streak then. I didn't say I dislike Angle, I simply said firstly it wasn't iconic, it is a bit bland and secondly that it always makes me think of The Patriot. Angle is a favourite of mine, always has been since his debut, but for me the in ring and the promo's defined him, not the packaging. NAO, if I'm right in saying was just Road Dogg shouting over a repetitive loop of music. Nothing special there, the pop was produced by RD's speil on the mic, you could have played the Oompa Loompa song behind him and it would have worked because they were over. I didn't like them, but damn they were over. The music wasn't part of that to me. When I say "I don't remember it" I mean that if it were played with the video on the 'tron on TV, I would likely know it, but its not one of those themes that sticks in my head where I would say "Hey, remember so and so's theme?". Foley's non-Mankind themes don't stick out as being ones to remember at all. I give theme music a good chance, at least a month of listening sometimes more, but if it doesn't click with me, I mute the entrances, because outside of Bob Artese in the old ECW and Lillian Garcia, I don't particuarly enjoy the ring announcer schtick. Cena and Triple H's music I am a fan of and listen to. Matt Hardy's as a big Monster Magnet fan. Pretty much everything on TNA I like. Undertaker's of course. Slow Chemical for Kane made the original drone into a listenable song. Batista's Saliva record I like. Going back I loved Hitman, Sexy Boy, Man in a Box for Dreamer in ECW, Come Out and Play (Raven), Enter Sandman, Razor Ramon's tyre screaching theme, Warrior, Rick Rude's music, Demolition had great music. Most up until the mid-late 90s in WWF/E I love. Its just come attitude era, everything went downhill for Johnston on the whole. Look they may not be recognizable/iconic to you, but to many other people themes like "My Time" and "Break the Walls Down" were recognizeable and a big smurfing deal, so I don't see why this debate is even happening, first of all. Johnston's contributions cannot actually be questioned since the theme CDs (most of which had stuff done by Johnston on them) repeatedly sold well enough to warrant more of them. From a business standpoint he's a success up until around now when more licensed music is being used for people. So really it's all just down to personal opinion and I disagree that he was irrelevant, the BMI also doesn't find him irrelevant either. Thats fair, your opinion and you state it as such. I don't think he is/was irrelevant for the record, I just think his success and influence waned majorly over time. I'm quite happy to agree to disagree on the point with yourself because you eloquently and assertively stated your opinion and acknowledged mine, which is how debate should be, so thank you.
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Post by strykerdarksilence on Jun 22, 2008 21:06:05 GMT -5
Certainly liking the wrestler is a factor. You demonstrated that yourself by describing Cena's theme as "lame". I've been watching wrestling since about 1988-9 properly, although both my older brothers watched it too, so I saw it from very young. HBK's theme is iconic. The original also goes back to 1992, which is outside our window of discussion, Johnston was on his hot streak then. I didn't say I dislike Angle, I simply said firstly it wasn't iconic, it is a bit bland and secondly that it always makes me think of The Patriot. Angle is a favourite of mine, always has been since his debut, but for me the in ring and the promo's defined him, not the packaging. NAO, if I'm right in saying was just Road Dogg shouting over a repetitive loop of music. Nothing special there, the pop was produced by RD's speil on the mic, you could have played the Oompa Loompa song behind him and it would have worked because they were over. I didn't like them, but damn they were over. The music wasn't part of that to me. When I say "I don't remember it" I mean that if it were played with the video on the 'tron on TV, I would likely know it, but its not one of those themes that sticks in my head where I would say "Hey, remember so and so's theme?". Foley's non-Mankind themes don't stick out as being ones to remember at all. I give theme music a good chance, at least a month of listening sometimes more, but if it doesn't click with me, I mute the entrances, because outside of Bob Artese in the old ECW and Lillian Garcia, I don't particuarly enjoy the ring announcer schtick. Cena and Triple H's music I am a fan of and listen to. Matt Hardy's as a big Monster Magnet fan. Pretty much everything on TNA I like. Undertaker's of course. Slow Chemical for Kane made the original drone into a listenable song. Batista's Saliva record I like. Going back I loved Hitman, Sexy Boy, Man in a Box for Dreamer in ECW, Come Out and Play (Raven), Enter Sandman, Razor Ramon's tyre screaching theme, Warrior, Rick Rude's music, Demolition had great music. Most up until the mid-late 90s in WWF/E I love. Its just come attitude era, everything went downhill for Johnston on the whole. This post has been brought to you by the makers of Opinion over Fact. Yes, Opinion over Fact, when you want to show everyone why your word is the only thing that is right. Not at all, because all I've done from the start is state my opinion and defended it when people have challenged it. If people disagree then that is fine, of course we don't all think the same, but please acknowledge that it is my point of view and the fact I have formed it for a reason. This is demonstrated in my previous post.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jun 22, 2008 21:29:39 GMT -5
On the back of the pamplet for WWF: The music Vol 3, on the same page as the track listing, where you can see the New Age Outlaws, this is a line.
BTW, on the CD?
Undertaker Edge X-Pac Dude Love Kane The Rock Gangrel/The Brood Ken Shamrock Oddities D-Generation X Sable New Age Outlaws Val Venis Stone Cold Steve Austin
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