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Post by thesam07 on Aug 11, 2008 4:49:58 GMT -5
Homer - My advice to you boy is squeal, squeal to anyone who will listen. Parents, teachers.
Bart - But then they will beat me up more.
Homer - ....hmm, they are a clever bunch.
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Post by TromboneMan on Aug 11, 2008 5:01:50 GMT -5
Cliques are what I find really funny. They just never change.
Since I moved to my high school in year 7, I had problem with this one group of girls who would always single me out, tease me, whathaveyou. In a way, it has toughened me up, made me more independant and all that.
Now, in year 11, this group has windled down to about 3-4 girls. They still roll their eyes and sigh at me whenever I walk near them, they might even call me a name once in a blue moon. I just can't help but laugh at them whenever they do because I honestly don't understand how someone can continue to be that childish for 4+ years and to have not at least grown up yet.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Aug 11, 2008 5:10:29 GMT -5
I've been bullied since the first grade, often getting embarrassed several times in public. I've tried everything possible, but they won't stop. It's a bit better since the guy who usually picks on me graduated last year, but his friends are still there. I'm not looking forward to this year, even though it's my last year in high school. I think they're gonna do everything in their power to make me miserable... again Well at least it's one more year .... I've never really being bullied, even if I always was/am rather quiet (not shy though) and somewhat nerdish. Haven't seen it happen too much around here tough, except like once or twice.
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Post by Loki on Aug 11, 2008 5:44:24 GMT -5
Maybe my perspective is a bit off, as I come from a whole different cultural background, went to upper-classish schools in a rather small (60k people) and quiet town, and in a different time.
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I can't help but thinking at least a part of te bullism problem stems from kids having become wimpier and wimpier over the last decade. I blame it on absent parents, parents who act like friends instead of being parents, parents who shelter and defend their kids no matter what, because being THEIR children means they're speshul and teh bestest.
Kids often grow up with some sort of "God Syndrome", and obviously the impact with different realities, where they're just another kid, and not Mommy's special little boy/girl, can be quite devastating. Some react becoming aggressive and violent, trying to re-establish themselves as Somebody, while some others just withdraw into themselves to different levels.
So when a "Look at me" insecure kid spots a "secluded" insecure kid, bullism happens.
I don't think it takes THAT much strenght (physical, but mainly mental) to keep a bully away. Playing victim ain't make things better. But, alas, many kids haven't been taught to stand up for themselves, because they've been raised like Little Princes and Princesses who are always right. Or at least "not wrong".
Kids and teenagers have always been mean and competitive, but somewhere down the road, they stopped being able to suck it up and retaliate, like the nature of the business required. Instead they either took the whiny way or the Columbine one...
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Post by kretchpoof on Aug 11, 2008 6:35:04 GMT -5
Maybe my perspective is a bit off, as I come from a whole different cultural background, went to upper-classish schools in a rather small (60k people) and quiet town, and in a different time. But I can't help but thinking at least a part of te bullism problem stems from kids having become wimpier and wimpier over the last decade. I blame it on absent parents, parents who act like friends instead of being parents, parents who shelter and defend their kids no matter what, because being THEIR children means they're speshul and teh bestest. Kids often grow up with some sort of "God Syndrome", and obviously the impact with different realities, where they're just another kid, and not Mommy's special little boy/girl, can be quite devastating. Some react becoming aggressive and violent, trying to re-establish themselves as Somebody, while some others just withdraw into themselves to different levels. So when a "Look at me" insecure kid spots a "secluded" insecure kid, bullism happens. I don't think it takes THAT much strenght (physical, but mainly mental) to keep a bully away. Playing victim ain't make things better. But, alas, many kids haven't been taught to stand up for themselves, because they've been raised like Little Princes and Princesses who are always right. Or at least "not wrong". Kids and teenagers have always been mean and competitive, but somewhere down the road, they stopped being able to suck it up and retaliate, like the nature of the business required. Instead they either took the whiny way or the Columbine one... Maybe I'm misreading what you said, but are you saying that's it whiny to go to a teacher if you're being bullied? There are lots of things to fight for in this world, but fighting someone who has severe Mommy or Daddy issues isn't worth it, in my opinion anyway.
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Post by Loki on Aug 11, 2008 6:54:44 GMT -5
No, I didn't imply that going to a teacher/authority if bullied is whiny.
But the whole "getting emo" thing is indeed whiny and doesn't help matters.
It's not about fighting bullies on their own ground, it's about not giving them room and leeway to push you around. Less attention, less "OMG he's gonna beat me up", less "I'm not a nerd" nerdish attitude... Most bullies are weak, and showing weakness is their strength. They won't waste time and effort trying to bring down a difficult subject, while there are many softer ones available. And the day there aren't soft ones anymore, they're screwed.
My point is: let's show some personality and some balls, instead of getting in full-wuss mode.
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Post by darthalexander on Aug 11, 2008 7:24:06 GMT -5
For the first seven years of my school life I was bullied unmercifully. It was absolutely insane and I still have issues with it to this day. The schools literally hated my guts. I went through the worst kind of hell, and to make matters worse the staff knew of it - but did nothing.
I wish I knew then what I know today because things would have been so much different. I wouldn't have been bullied at all.
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Post by mcmxzyptlk on Aug 11, 2008 7:44:00 GMT -5
I WAS the bully back in school.
*runs around thread yelling "boooooooo!" behind posters and scaring the shit out of them*
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Post by shagnastii on Aug 11, 2008 7:47:17 GMT -5
No, I didn't imply that going to a teacher/authority if bullied is whiny. But the whole "getting emo" thing is indeed whiny and doesn't help matters. My point is: let's show some personality and some balls, instead of getting in full-wuss mode. This guy knows the story. This whole thread seems like an invitation I feel sorry for yourselfs. I often got picked on, got roughed up a bit (and often did it myself) but I wouldn't class that a bullying. Just teenagers being teenagers. As for the they got me arrested, they got me in trouble, the reason i dropped out of school. Its almost comical
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Aug 11, 2008 9:14:25 GMT -5
Unloved, slow witted, or just trying to make themselves feel better by making other's suffer. Pitiful creatures.
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Post by Max on Aug 11, 2008 11:26:03 GMT -5
Maybe my perspective is a bit off, as I come from a whole different cultural background, went to upper-classish schools in a rather small (60k people) and quiet town, and in a different time. But I can't help but thinking at least a part of te bullism problem stems from kids having become wimpier and wimpier over the last decade. I blame it on absent parents, parents who act like friends instead of being parents, parents who shelter and defend their kids no matter what, because being THEIR children means they're speshul and teh bestest. Kids often grow up with some sort of "God Syndrome", and obviously the impact with different realities, where they're just another kid, and not Mommy's special little boy/girl, can be quite devastating. Some react becoming aggressive and violent, trying to re-establish themselves as Somebody, while some others just withdraw into themselves to different levels. So when a "Look at me" insecure kid spots a "secluded" insecure kid, bullism happens. I don't think it takes THAT much strenght (physical, but mainly mental) to keep a bully away. Playing victim ain't make things better. But, alas, many kids haven't been taught to stand up for themselves, because they've been raised like Little Princes and Princesses who are always right. Or at least "not wrong". Kids and teenagers have always been mean and competitive, but somewhere down the road, they stopped being able to suck it up and retaliate, like the nature of the business required. Instead they either took the whiny way or the Columbine one... Maybe I'm misreading what you said, but are you saying that's it whiny to go to a teacher if you're being bullied? There are lots of things to fight for in this world, but fighting someone who has severe Mommy or Daddy issues isn't worth it, in my opinion anyway. going to the teacher for anything is some bitch crap come on now. i havent gone to the teacher to tattle tell since 4th grade
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 11, 2008 11:30:47 GMT -5
"Man, am I glad I called that guy."
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Post by KLRA on Aug 11, 2008 11:41:09 GMT -5
I have to agree with the loving going back to parties with high school friends and seeing the bullies still trying to be a bully. One of my friends recently got an amazing job at well over mid-six figures a year. He was the nerdy kid in school, but never really let it affect him. Plus he had me to watch his back. Anyways, we're at this party a little while ago and one of the people that were bullies at my school was there. He spent the entire night being merciless to my friend and such and such. We just ignored him for a while but then he got really abusive with his language. So we just left, amid his cat calls of "Yeah that's right, leave you p**** no one wants you here!" Apparently he had the cops called on him a short while later. The next day, us two and our wives go out to eat at the Cheescake Factory. Guess who our valet is? Yup, Mr. Bully. The look on his face was beyond priceless as he had to park my friend's Mercedes. To make it even better, my friend told the manager that this valet was shouting abusive language at him and making him feel uncomfortable. Apparently the manager was just looking for a way to fire this jackass so he took that as his excuse to fire him. Moral of the story? Bullies never prosper, and be careful of who you piss off.
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Post by Loki on Aug 11, 2008 11:51:58 GMT -5
I have to agree with the loving going back to parties with high school friends and seeing the bullies still trying to be a bully. One of my friends recently got an amazing job at well over mid-six figures a year. He was the nerdy kid in school, but never really let it affect him. Plus he had me to watch his back. Anyways, we're at this party a little while ago and one of the people that were bullies at my school was there. He spent the entire night being merciless to my friend and such and such. We just ignored him for a while but then he got really abusive with his language. So we just left, amid his cat calls of "Yeah that's right, leave you p**** no one wants you here!" Apparently he had the cops called on him a short while later. The next day, us two and our wives go out to eat at the Cheescake Factory. Guess who our valet is? Yup, Mr. Bully. The look on his face was beyond priceless as he had to park my friend's Mercedes. To make it even better, my friend told the manager that this valet was shouting abusive language at him and making him feel uncomfortable. Apparently the manager was just looking for a way to fire this jackass so he took that as his excuse to fire him. Moral of the story? Bullies never prosper, and be careful of who you piss off. Yeah... having a guy fired as payback for something that originated in school is sure the best way to teach him to be respectful... Your rich friend driving a Mercedes proved to be an asshole just like the bully. He didn't used his fists, but he used his social status and his money, and that's even more despicable, because you can fight back during a physical confrontation, but sure you can't in a Rich man v Poor man argument... Making a bully feel inferior is just another way to make things bad. The bully will just grow more bitter and angry, leading to a more aggressive behaviour. The one and only way is trying to be politely unresponsive, without giving them the slightest opening. Wanna bet this guy's kid will end up beating the living hell out of your rich friend's kid one day? And I can't say I'll feel sorry for the Silver Spoon little fellow...
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Post by Max on Aug 11, 2008 11:56:20 GMT -5
I have to agree with the loving going back to parties with high school friends and seeing the bullies still trying to be a bully. One of my friends recently got an amazing job at well over mid-six figures a year. He was the nerdy kid in school, but never really let it affect him. Plus he had me to watch his back. Anyways, we're at this party a little while ago and one of the people that were bullies at my school was there. He spent the entire night being merciless to my friend and such and such. We just ignored him for a while but then he got really abusive with his language. So we just left, amid his cat calls of "Yeah that's right, leave you p**** no one wants you here!" Apparently he had the cops called on him a short while later. The next day, us two and our wives go out to eat at the Cheescake Factory. Guess who our valet is? Yup, Mr. Bully. The look on his face was beyond priceless as he had to park my friend's Mercedes. To make it even better, my friend told the manager that this valet was shouting abusive language at him and making him feel uncomfortable. Apparently the manager was just looking for a way to fire this jackass so he took that as his excuse to fire him. Moral of the story? Bullies never prosper, and be careful of who you piss off. Yeah... having a guy fired as payback for something that originated in school is sure the best way to teach him to be respectful... Your rich friend driving a Mercedes proved to be an asshole just like the bully. He didn't used his fists, but he used his social status and his money, and that's even more despicable, because you can fight back during a physical confrontation, but sure you can't in a Rich man v Poor man argument... Making a bully feel inferior is just another way to make things bad. The bully will just grow more bitter and angry, leading to a more aggressive behaviour. The one and only way is trying to be politely unresponsive, without giving them the slightest opening. Wanna bet this guy's kid will end up beating the living hell out of your rich friend's kid one day? And I can't say I'll feel sorry for the Silver Spoon little fellow... But its funny so who cares?
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Post by Munkie91087 on Aug 11, 2008 12:14:57 GMT -5
Yeah... having a guy fired as payback for something that originated in school is sure the best way to teach him to be respectful... Your rich friend driving a Mercedes proved to be an asshole just like the bully. He didn't used his fists, but he used his social status and his money, and that's even more despicable, because you can fight back during a physical confrontation, but sure you can't in a Rich man v Poor man argument... Making a bully feel inferior is just another way to make things bad. The bully will just grow more bitter and angry, leading to a more aggressive behaviour. The one and only way is trying to be politely unresponsive, without giving them the slightest opening. Wanna bet this guy's kid will end up beating the living hell out of your rich friend's kid one day? And I can't say I'll feel sorry for the Silver Spoon little fellow... But its funny so who cares? Bully: Man I kicked that little nerds ass. You: Bullying is wrong I hated it. Bully: "But it's funny so who cares? Basically your friend bullied the bully, and the cycle will continue because of it.
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Post by Max on Aug 11, 2008 12:16:22 GMT -5
............but it's funny so who cares?!
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Post by Munkie91087 on Aug 11, 2008 12:19:14 GMT -5
............but it's funny so who cares?! That was probably the bullies attitude when he bullied your friend. What makes that any different than what your friend did?
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Post by Loki on Aug 11, 2008 12:19:32 GMT -5
It's funny.
Maybe, but so is seeing a kid who hasn't the nerve to stand up for himself playing "pig in the middle" trying to get his cap back...
And I still maintain getting a man fired for a petty playground grudge and for some bad words at a party is an act of sheer douchebaggery.
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Post by Bravo Echo November on Aug 11, 2008 12:19:47 GMT -5
Not exactly physical but mental bullies were my problem. Sometimes they went a little tooo far.
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