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Post by Max on Aug 11, 2008 12:42:07 GMT -5
It's funny. Maybe, but so is seeing a kid who hasn't the nerve to stand up for himself playing "pig in the middle" trying to get his cap back... And I still maintain getting a man fired for a petty playground grudge and for some bad words at a party is an act of sheer douchebaggery. what the hell!? Pig in the middle?!
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Post by Pagan Warrior on Aug 11, 2008 12:59:20 GMT -5
Oddly enough, I had only one encounter with bullies in my whole life. It ended with my foot in one's jaw and the others backing off and walking along.
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Post by Max on Aug 11, 2008 13:14:44 GMT -5
This is the greatest thread in the history of our sport.
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 11, 2008 13:22:36 GMT -5
I've been bullied a LOT since Middle School all because I had to go to a bunch of goddamn ghetto schools. I was bullied both physically and mentally and I went through an "emo phase", since it was basically a 20 to 1 bully gang bang, and had absolutely NO friends during High School. I guess I developed an inferiority complex as I felt I didn't even deserve friends...
God, High School was depressing for me...
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Post by icansleep on Aug 11, 2008 14:19:51 GMT -5
This is the greatest thread in the history of our sport. That was the intent, friend!
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Aug 11, 2008 15:15:29 GMT -5
Bullies are a product of what is known as "Progressive Education." You see, back in the day, only kids who were expected to go to college went to high school. Everyone else was expected to go get a job after eight grade, and get married at 18. But the powers that be decided that no child should be left behind, and made everyone go to high school, even people who were too stupid to actually benefit from it. Because Education made better citizens. This of course, put a lot of stupid kids in a place they didn't want to be, didn't do well at, they didn't fit in, and of course anti-social behavior would manifest itself.
For dealing with bullies, see Sun Tzu and Niccolò Machiavelli. Learn from the Badger and the Wolverine. Neither are the strongest beasts in the forest, but even the bear and lion fear them, for the cost of hunting them is too high.
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Post by Cap'n Crud on Aug 11, 2008 16:22:39 GMT -5
In high school I had a real bully problem.
I just couldn't stop. Now cough up your lunch money.
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Post by Roger Smith on Aug 11, 2008 16:30:27 GMT -5
I had bullies, but I eventually won them over.
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Post by HoagieWithPastrami on Aug 11, 2008 17:03:19 GMT -5
The kid who turned rich and got the bully fired made himself just as bad as the bully the minute he got him in trouble with his boss.
If he had just let his former-torturer park his nice car and not said an unkind thing to him or about him, THAT would've been the best revenge and I would've thought it was an awesome story. But your friend had to try and out-douche the douchebag by getting him in trouble behind his back.
Anyways, in high school I caught crap from some people and dished out some crap of my own. I wasn't a bully, nor was I bullied. It was just a normal part of high school. However, I was aware that there were bullies and I wasn't friends with most of them and really felt bad for the kids that were usually their targets.
I just wished some of those kids would've fought back, but I take satisfaction in knowing that what socially goes on high school doesn't usually matter like a year after its over. So to younger kids getting pushed around on here, stick it out, and pick your battles carefully. None of it matters once high school is over. Do well for yourself after high school, because living well is always the best revenge against those who have wronged you in the past (which that guy in the story should've realized before he went and got that dude fired). It lets them know that their efforts to bring you down had no effect on you and succeeded in spite of it. That's a win right there.
And for those that are blaming some recent developments in society for bullying, you're being silly. Bullying has been around since their have been big kids with inferiority complexes (in other words, since the beginning of civilization probably). It's not some crazy thing that's the result of some social trend of the last decade or so. You just have to learn to deal with it as best you can, and yes it would help if school faculties actually tried to step in once in awhile (although that might make it worse for the kids getting bullied, even if the faculty member steps in on his own without any tattling going on).
Ok, that was my long take on bullying.
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Post by Loki on Aug 11, 2008 17:21:46 GMT -5
And for those that are blaming some recent developments in society for bullying, you're being silly. Bullying has been around since their have been big kids with inferiority complexes (in other words, since the beginning of civilization probably). It's not some crazy thing that's the result of some social trend of the last decade or so. You just have to learn to deal with it as best you can, and yes it would help if school faculties actually tried to step in once in awhile (although that might make it worse for the kids getting bullied, even if the faculty member steps in on his own without any tattling going on). I didn't mean bullism in itself is a product of recent years. But I do mean bullism as a "global" issue, or if you want to put it this way, as a "that should make it to the news" issue is a relatively recent phenomenon. As you said, we all had our moments where we got picked on, and our moments where we picked on some other dude. But there's a line between teenagers being teenagers (mean, stupid and silly idiots) and actual bullism. The problem is nowadays bullism is being treated like AIDS or something, it's getting a ridiculous exposure, while some years ago it would have been dismissed as "boys will be boys" 9 cases out of 10. And that's, methinks, because our society had to make problems bigger than they actually could be if treated in a different way. And because, as I tried to explain before, because kids stopped being able to fight their own battles. 15 years ago it'd have been a lunchbreak brawl, or some recess bickering, or some early morning heated words. Nowadays it's a hideous act of bullism. Let's try to grow up the new generation as independent and reasonable persons, not as irresponsible self-centered assholes or irresponsible self-centered wimps.
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Post by kretchpoof on Aug 11, 2008 18:40:16 GMT -5
And for those that are blaming some recent developments in society for bullying, you're being silly. Bullying has been around since their have been big kids with inferiority complexes (in other words, since the beginning of civilization probably). It's not some crazy thing that's the result of some social trend of the last decade or so. You just have to learn to deal with it as best you can, and yes it would help if school faculties actually tried to step in once in awhile (although that might make it worse for the kids getting bullied, even if the faculty member steps in on his own without any tattling going on). I didn't mean bullism in itself is a product of recent years. But I do mean bullism as a "global" issue, or if you want to put it this way, as a "that should make it to the news" issue is a relatively recent phenomenon. As you said, we all had our moments where we got picked on, and our moments where we picked on some other dude. But there's a line between teenagers being teenagers (mean, stupid and silly idiots) and actual bullism. The problem is nowadays bullism is being treated like AIDS or something, it's getting a ridiculous exposure, while some years ago it would have been dismissed as "boys will be boys" 9 cases out of 10. And that's, methinks, because our society had to make problems bigger than they actually could be if treated in a different way. And because, as I tried to explain before, because kids stopped being able to fight their own battles. 15 years ago it'd have been a lunchbreak brawl, or some recess bickering, or some early morning heated words. Nowadays it's a hideous act of bullism. Let's try to grow up the new generation as independent and reasonable persons, not as irresponsible self-centered assholes or irresponsible self-centered wimps. Things are more violent in school nowadays, it's not a figment of someone's imagination, and the kids are just arrogant, disobedient brats. The middle school ones are the worst, it just makes you want to go and start cracking skulls. I blame the parents. Stop making excuses for little Johnny, and smack him upside the head once in a while. They also totally neutered any authority that the teachers even had.
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Post by kretchpoof on Aug 11, 2008 18:41:22 GMT -5
Maybe I'm misreading what you said, but are you saying that's it whiny to go to a teacher if you're being bullied? There are lots of things to fight for in this world, but fighting someone who has severe Mommy or Daddy issues isn't worth it, in my opinion anyway. going to the teacher for anything is some bitch crap come on now. i havent gone to the teacher to tattle tell since 4th grade I wouldn't expect anything less coming from you. You're what, 13? I'll wait until you actually grow the hell up and gain some maturity. Maybe then you can actually hold a civilized conversation.
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Post by Max on Aug 11, 2008 18:53:20 GMT -5
It's true people over my age agree that its some BS to expect someone to take care of your problems for you like that.
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Post by KLRA on Aug 11, 2008 19:24:31 GMT -5
Oh I'm not going to disagree that my rich friend was a total douchebag. But just the satisfaction he got from it was the happyest I'd ever seen him. I actually ran into said bully today. He got a job at another place and seems to have changed his attitude slightly. He did remember me from the incident and said that he'd learned his lesson.
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing that it was an act of pure assholeness. But I thought it was funny and a really big comeuppance.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Aug 11, 2008 19:32:45 GMT -5
It's true people over my age agree that its some BS to expect someone to take care of your problems for you like that. Ah, yes. You get bullied, and get a teacher to stop it. That's wussing out. As we all know, REAL men get their ass kicked all day. Anyone who doesn't their ass kicked is a f***ing PUSSY.
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Post by Loki on Aug 11, 2008 19:51:03 GMT -5
It's true people over my age agree that its some BS to expect someone to take care of your problems for you like that. Ah, yes. You get bullied, and get a teacher to stop it. That's wussing out. As we all know, REAL men get their ass kicked all day. Anyone who doesn't their ass kicked is a smurfing PUSSY. No sir... "Real men" know when it's wise to fight back, when it's wiser to back off and when it's smarter getting help. But as I've been saying (while being basically no-sold by most), it's just a matter of letting people (and bullies) know where you stand, how much you're willing to take and where the line between "acceptable" and "too much" lies. It's about marking your vital territory and establishing yourself as soon as possible. Kinda saying "no matter how young, new, scrawny, fat, goofy, nerdy, geeky etc I may look like, here's how far you can get with me". Moreso, I was taught to stand up for myself and eventually to ignore some behaviours. I.e. if they're "reasonable" enough, prove them you're better than what they think. If they aren't reasonable, then ignore them as much as possible, but WITHOUT surrending to them. What I sense around here, and in many bullies stories, is a feeling of "doom", as if it's inevitable getting mercilessly pushed around. Once again, if you act like a wimp, you'll get treated accordingly... If you complain and whine about a minimal incident, odds are you're gonna get much worse treatment in no time, because YOU brought it on yourself. Mind you, all of that comes from a guy who could have been a huge target all the way from 1st grade to graduation... but somehow managed to pass the trial, and with good grades I dare to say. So a lot of those "victims" are just not trying hard enough to convince themselves (and the bullies) they deserve better than that.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Aug 11, 2008 19:56:55 GMT -5
Come on, some if not most people who get bullied don't have the confidence, the toughness, the physical or mental ability to pull this off. That's why they get bullied. The idea of a 'real man' is a crock.
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Post by Max on Aug 11, 2008 20:16:31 GMT -5
OK then when you're 30 and you get beat up by some dude do you call the cops?
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Aug 11, 2008 20:29:04 GMT -5
1. I wasn't talking about me personally, because I've toughened up a lot in recent years. But not everyone has that capacity.
2. That would depend on whether anyone saw it. Going back and kicking his ass isn't going to solve anything, though defending myself might. If I can get him sent to jail though, I'd be laughing to myself for years.
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Post by nate5054 on Aug 11, 2008 21:14:46 GMT -5
Once again, if you act like a wimp, you'll get treated accordingly... If you complain and whine about a minimal incident, odds are you're gonna get much worse treatment in no time, because YOU brought it on yourself. I have no idea what a "minimal incident" is but if I am being attacked in an unprovoked manner I will complain about it. And if that brought me much worse treatment, than the fault still lies at that smurfer who was attacking me in the first place.
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