The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 9, 2008 14:58:27 GMT -5
Why all the hate for Edge's 2004 face run? I loved it when he punked out HHH and claimed he would take down all of Evolution. They didn't follow through with it, but that can hardly be blamed on Edge.
And let's not forget how good a face he was in 2001/2002.
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Post by MGH on Aug 9, 2008 15:00:17 GMT -5
Why all the hate for Edge's 2004 face run? I loved it when he punked out HHH and claimed he would take down all of Evolution. They didn't follow through with it, but that can hardly be blamed on Edge. And let's not forget how good a face he was in 2001/2002. 01 and 02 is why I love Edge as a face as well as heel. The guy was perfectly fine as a face. I still don't get everyone's problem with 2004 either. Everyone craps on Orton's face run as well, but it started out the right way. The first month or month and a half were fine. It stopped being effective when he lost to HHH .... ALL THE TIME.
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Post by MGH on Aug 9, 2008 15:04:21 GMT -5
He will go face again one day. The best heels make the best faces and vice versa.quote] There is ONE example where it fits perfectly: Hulk Hogan. However, I disagree with that generalization. -Triple is awesome as a heel. As a face he sucks donkey balls. -Jeff Jarrett is awesome as a heel. As a face: meh. -Edge is awesome as a heel. As a face he sucks. -Sting is awesome as a face. As a heel he sucks. -Vader was an awesome heel. As a face he sucks. -Yokozuna: see Vader. Guess it depends on your perspective on it. I don't think HHH sucks as a face at all. I think he's just as great at being a sarcastic crowd popping face as he is being a "I'm better than the world" heel. I much prefer face Jarrett to heel Jarrett as well. I never could take Jarrett seriously in WCW. God forbid as a main eventer. Same goes in TNA. The last time I got any enjoyment out of Double J was his brief return to TNA as a face before his wife passed away. Again with Edge, 01 and 02 he was a tremendous face. Crowd adored him. His feud with Angle was amazing. I still don't think 04 is even close to as bad as people say either. What are we judging Sting on? A month in WCW? Hardly enough of a sample size to say "he sucks as a heel". He's at that point in his career where people are going to cheer him no matter what as it is. They could have tried to turn Flair heel for his final run this year, but it wouldn't have worked. Same with Sting. It doesn't mean either of them suck as a heel though. I've never seen Vader as a face, so I can't comment. At least not a sustained run. I didn't consider Yoko a great heel at any time in the first place, so that one is null and void for me.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Aug 9, 2008 15:12:05 GMT -5
It's impossible to say HHH sucks as a face when the crowd clearly pops large for him.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 9, 2008 17:11:01 GMT -5
"SLAP HIS FACE, VICKIE!"
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Post by jamiemanic on Aug 9, 2008 17:21:26 GMT -5
Pissed off Edge is awesome
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Aug 9, 2008 17:40:34 GMT -5
Edge didn't turn face. He just changed gimmicks, from cowardly cheating heel to psycho heel.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 9, 2008 17:45:44 GMT -5
Psycho Edge is the way to go, and they're finally getting there, after two long years of "I need help from men, women, children and inanimated objects to win a match" Edge. JR: Bah Gawd, Edge has summoned a live bear to attack the Undertaker! This is heinous!
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Post by stevierichardsfan on Aug 9, 2008 19:13:13 GMT -5
i liekd the new edge
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Post by The F'N Captain on Aug 9, 2008 21:27:37 GMT -5
Yeah Edge is heel, just "TLC Edge" instead of "MITB Edge".
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 9, 2008 23:35:54 GMT -5
Ironically Jeff Jarrett is actually much, much better as a face. If you ever watched his USWA work from the late 80s and early 90s he's quite a good face. I think he sucks as a heel if anything, since he never seems especially evil. Exactly. I never could figure out why he was made a heel in the WWF when he had never been one and was so damn good as a face. They did not change his chief rival (Brian Christopher) when they finally brought him in. Sure, they had recently brought in Lawler and made him a heel, but his last run of national importance prior to joining the WWF was as a heel, so it made more sense in that instance.
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Post by wwerules60 on Aug 9, 2008 23:49:36 GMT -5
He always worked great as a face. nope.
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Post by Roger Smith on Aug 10, 2008 0:12:55 GMT -5
The reason I think Edge just sucked as a face in 2004 was because he was so smurfing big. And I LOVED his run with Lita, it reminded me of Sid Vicious (the singer) and Nancy's relationship. Sex and Violence indeed.
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Post by shamana on Aug 10, 2008 0:38:34 GMT -5
I watched the rerun of the Smackdown, and I gotta say it was a fine performance. It would have been even nicer if he was a little nicer (in his body language) to Vickie at the end. "Yes, dear, you should worry about me. I will take the Undertaker to hell with me... and then we will talk, the two of us."
Still pretty impressive, though. Damn impressive.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Aug 10, 2008 1:20:09 GMT -5
Another crazy psycho heel.
Exciting........
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Post by Loki on Aug 10, 2008 5:14:51 GMT -5
Another crazy psycho heel. Exciting........ With the obvious exception of Kane, Edge is by far the best psycho heel in WWE
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Post by Tapout on Aug 10, 2008 11:22:03 GMT -5
YES, Edge finally turned face He always worked great as a face. I... What the HELL? Did these forums turn into crazy backwards land all of a sudden?
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Post by Tapout on Aug 10, 2008 11:22:53 GMT -5
With the obvious exception of Kane, Edge is by far the best psycho heel in WWE Let me help you with that.
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Post by Panda Powers on Aug 10, 2008 14:54:34 GMT -5
I really believe that at this point in time there are certain performers who can't be turned in WWE:
Randy Orton and Edge can never be faces again, they are brilliant heels and just don't work as faces (see both mens face runs in 2004)
John Cena, as much as I would love an attitude adjustment and heel turn just can't go down that route as the biggest face in WWE.
Undertaker and Shawn Michaels wouldn't be accepted as heels due to their gradual shift to legendary status
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Post by chunkylover53 on Aug 10, 2008 15:21:56 GMT -5
Can somebody youtube it? I was out on Friday, so I don't know what happened.
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