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Post by DSR on Nov 20, 2008 12:35:24 GMT -5
Well, as I said before, I really didn't think the movie was all that bad. There was certainly a lot of absurdity there, but things didn't get groan-inducingly bad, for me, until the second half. An unstoppable killing machine on a spaceship where there's really no escape would've worked just fine. It's the knowing humor and the corniness that kills it for me. Fair enough. But at least it didn't feature muppets crawling out of the ground or Jason inhabiting other bodies via mouth-to-mouth. I've already said Jason Goes to Hell was awful. A few times. Looks like Chocolate Milk has another enemy today.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 20, 2008 12:44:03 GMT -5
Fair enough. But at least it didn't feature muppets crawling out of the ground or Jason inhabiting other bodies via mouth-to-mouth. I've already said Jason Goes to Hell was awful. A few times. Looks like Chocolate Milk has another enemy today. Well, it just bares a lot of repeating. And I'm sure Choco will struggle through somehow.
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Post by erisi236 on Nov 20, 2008 12:53:02 GMT -5
The "Slicer"...The "Dicer"...And This Time, They're Not Any "Nicer"! Freddy Vs Jason~ Just as an odd little note, this is the only Freddy or Jason flick I ever actually saw in the theater, although I've seen both of their movies a huge amount of times, I've never seen any of them in the theater till this one. ~ It starts of cool that's for sure, the Elm Street theme added with the Friday theme, reeeeeeeeeeeealy cool. ~ Kind of interesting that they sort of go off of Jason Goes to Hell, as Jason is actually in Hell, well Freddy says he is anyway. ~ The quick wrap on Freddy's history is nice as well. ~ Jason standing outside of 1428 Elm Street is pretty awesome as well. ~ All you see in him is a cute ass? Good lord, it pains me to know that in real life hot but dumb girls like that are hanging out with huge assholes like Trey, that guy is just a epic jerk. ~ And epic jerks deserve epic deaths. ~ I wonder how Will and Mark got committed to that nuthouse? I understand the town wanting to bury Freddy's memory and all, but having bad dreams seems a pretty flimsy excuse for commitment to a sanitarium. ~ I really like the Freddy as a disease theme they have going. ~ I think Linderman has it wrong, Kia isn't tearing him down cuz she thinks he's not good enough for Lori, but cuz she wants him for herself and doesn't want him dating Lori. ~ "This Everclear is kicking my ass." I say that every time I drink that because of this movie. ~ Those jocks picking on Jason before he slays them is quite funny. ~ Dude that goalie was pissed, indeed he was. ~ Something interesting about the fact that the dad is basically 100% right but comes off like a heel, it's pretty much just like any given wrestling angle. ~ Man, that fellow who plays Marks dead brother looks freakishly like a young Robert England. ~ Why do people feel the need to sneak away to smoke or drink at the most inaproperate times? ~ Ha, Jason getting electrocuted but is still grabbing and killing people. ~ Damn is he doesn't love throwing body's through things as well. ~ Jason's confusion about Freddy's powers is great, as is Freddy's trade mark humor. "Tilt". ~ Ok, well this has been a long time coming.... Jason and his "fear" of water. I guess in a way they really had to do it as they really needed something to give Freddy an advantage over Jason and really water would be about the only thing that comes to mind as Jason maybe sorta almost "drowned" as a boy depending on what story you believe. Of course we've seen Jason repeatedly go in the water both as a regular human and an un-dead killer without the slightest hint of fear so it makes it seem a little strange to be sure. I guess the best explanation would have to be that in Freddy's nightmare world everything is amplified by a huge percent and so if Jason has just the hint of a thought in the back of his mind that water is bad then in the dream world it would come off as a great fear. Jason has after all been stopped by water before in parts VI VII and VIII (well toxic waste, but pretty much water) even in Jason X his final resting place is in a lake, so maybe water has some kind of effect on him even, but who knows for sure. They certainly don't make it much easier to swallow seeing Jason actually in the water a couple of times in the movie showing no worse for wear, the ending for example. ~ In the Crystal Lake dream part the mean kids put a sack over Jason's head, is that a little nod to part II or just something random? ~ Jason flying out the back of that van was amusing for some reason. ~ Alright here we go, the big showdown, they really did a great job with this I think, both Freddy and Jason have their own skill set so to speak, Jason with his huge lumbering power and Freddy with his swift kicks and pokes with his blades as well as his use of foreign objects. Every time these two are interacting it's awesome. It also seems that Jason really hates Freddy and just wants to beat his ass into the ground. ~ Camp Crystal Lake certainly looks odd, like it closed down forever after the 1958 murders with one attempt to build something new that never took off. ~ Jason losing his fingers and giving a "wtf" look is great. ~ The two of them basically tearing each other apart is also great. ~ They did that ending pretty well, basically they don't say who actually won. Jason has the head as a trophy but it gives us a little wink to show us that Freddy always has his little ways of coming back. ~ So, Freddy Vs Jason, something like 15 years in the making finally came and you know what it worked, somehow someway they got both of them on screen and it worked. Not perfectly of course, but they gave it a great effort none the less working both of their legends into a pretty coherant story, and then giving us a battle of the ages. ~ This movie also made a ton a money which is pretty cool, after a decade of declining revenue both Freddy and Jason came back in a huge freaking way. ~ Sadly this flick has no theme, just a random snippit of some metal-ish cord with the Freddy Vs Jason logo. They better not do the same thing in the up coming Friday the 13th "re-quel" that would make me a sad panda.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 20, 2008 13:11:27 GMT -5
I also really enjoyed this movie. Sure, it had it's flaws, but they were honestly pretty minor. And thank God they took out the corny "Place your bets!" line.
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Post by DSR on Nov 20, 2008 13:14:23 GMT -5
I watched this movie this morning to refresh my memory. Might as well get makin' with the reply:
-This is the first Freddy or Jason movie I saw in theaters, as well. I think I was deemed "too young" by my family for parts 1-9, and Jason X...well, I didn't want to see it all that badly.
-Yeah, that fear of water thing is weird, but it really only affects Jason in the Dream World. And I DO think the burlap sack was a nod to F13 Part 2.
-"You mean you're not coming?" "It's not my fault she's dead on her feet!" That was hilarious, and disturbing at the same time. Well played, Krueger.
-Laurie has huge tits. Just thought I'd add that.
-Man, I'm not fond of "stoner" characters. This movie proves that there IS a poor man's Jason Mewes...not counting Jason Mewes.
-I like the little bit they show of Freddy before he becomes the Dream Demon. It's actually a creepy couple of moments, and adds a sense of danger to the character that wasn't there for Nightmare 4 and 5 and Freddy's Dead.
-That wing of the sanitarium with all the people in comas was pretty freaky, too.
-I really enjoyed this movie, but the main kids do almost too good of a job of piecing together what Freddy and Jason are up to.
-Kelly Rowland is a pretty bad actress, even by Friday the 13th standards. She's still cute, though. ;D
-I don't know how it was for others, but I really wasn't looking forward to this movie when it was coming out. I mean, enough time had passed to where my thoughts went from "when are they gonna make Freddy vs. Jason?" to "man, maybe its for the best that they DON'T make Freddy vs. Jason." Add to that the fact that Goes to Hell and Jason X are pretty terrible, and Freddy's Dead sucked, and Wes Craven's New Nightmare is difficult to build from...well, there's plenty of reasons why this movie should've sucked. And I am SO glad it didn't. We're not getting a sequel (well, unless you count comic books), but I think this is a pretty decent send-off for two great horror icons, anyway...well, as we've come to know them. Remake right around the corner and all. *shrug*
-I also think this is the ONLY New Line Jason movie that can sit comfortably next to Paramount's run of the series.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 20, 2008 13:33:15 GMT -5
I remember the director of Jason Takes Manhattan saying his first notion was to do a Jason VS Freddy film, because he wanted to do something different from previous entries. It's kind of a shame that didn't pan out. Imagine how huge this movie would've been at the peak of Freddy and Jason's popularity.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Nov 20, 2008 15:15:17 GMT -5
I know that there's some people who absolutely detest this movie (I eagerly await Doctor Doom's entrance), but really, this movie turned out the absolute BEST that it could have. That, and I still have yet to hear a really decent argument why this movie sucked - sure, some of the actors are bad, but come on, this is a slasher flick!
Linderman rocks, btw. So much so that to this day whenever I see him in a movie I immediately have to yell "LINDERMAN!" to any poor souls sitting or standing next to me.
And I loved the final showdown as well - while the water bit is certainly something to gripe about, when the actual fight comes, it was treated with muchos respect and it shows. It was what people had been waiting to see for 15 years, after all, and they didn't disappoint - it was long, protracted, graphic and showed both icons' strengths very well.
All in all, a very fun horror flick and one of my favorites this decade.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 20, 2008 15:34:52 GMT -5
"Freddy vs Jason" sucked balls.
I actually think it's the worst of the New Line franchise.
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Post by Sinestro on Nov 20, 2008 17:39:38 GMT -5
I really liked FvJ, thought they handled it as best they could, and it didn't disappoint especially since I was still in the when oh when will it be mindset. (For the record this is the second of each I saw in the theater. Fth13 8 at the drive in, and Freddy's Dead).
On the negative side though, I didn't think they gave the deputy enough to do. He could have been a pretty decent character, and secondary hero guy, be he just kind of seemed there...
Also I hope big things come to Jason Ritter, he had his dad's likability, and I thouroghly enjoyed him in the movie.
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Post by DSR on Nov 20, 2008 18:46:15 GMT -5
I also liked how, in a day and age when most horror flicks play it safe and aim for a PG-13 rating, Freddy vs. Jason was more than willing to drop buckets of blood for our entertainment.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Nov 20, 2008 20:02:30 GMT -5
"Freddy vs Jason" sucked balls. I actually think it's the worst of the New Line franchise. Care to tell us why you think that? It might actually provoke some DISCUSSION if you give a reason. Just sayin'.
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Post by King of Fighters on Nov 20, 2008 20:51:31 GMT -5
My only beef with FvJ is that I absolutely HATED the surviovors, ugh, I liked everyone else more than those two.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Nov 20, 2008 21:24:42 GMT -5
My only beef with FvJ is that I absolutely HATED the surviovors, ugh, I liked everyone else more than those two. Which is a legit gripe, albeit, to me, a fairly minor one. Still, had they picked a better actor than Monica Keena for that role, this might have been a **** movie.
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Post by King of Fighters on Nov 20, 2008 21:29:58 GMT -5
My only beef with FvJ is that I absolutely HATED the surviovors, ugh, I liked everyone else more than those two. Which is a legit gripe, albeit, to me, a fairly minor one. Still, had they picked a better actor than Monica Keena for that role, this might have been a **** movie. Even if they had I still probably would have hated it. Its rare that I ever really like the survivors in a horror movie, the only ones I can think of in recent memory are NoES 4, Mulberry Street, and 28 Days Later.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 20, 2008 21:31:18 GMT -5
I'm surprised Englund can still walk after carrying this s***fest.
He was the only good thing about the film.
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Post by Ken Ivory on Nov 21, 2008 4:17:14 GMT -5
- I reeally liked Freddy Vs Jason, I wanted to see it at the cinema but it only showed it for a week where I was so I had to wait for DVD....hey, I waited 10 years, what's a few more months, eh?
- The cigarette butt bouncing of Jason's mask was a cool shot.
- Little baby boy Jason with the hockey mask was kinda funny, followed by "you ugly little shit!"
- Favourite line of the movie- "Hey, asshole! Up here!"
- Jason getting Freddy's blade's in the eyes.....OUCH!!
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Post by hollywood on Nov 21, 2008 11:57:55 GMT -5
- Favourite line of the movie- "Hey, asshole! Up here!" That was good, but I still liked: "How sweet ... dark meat!"
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Post by Ken Ivory on Nov 21, 2008 12:03:05 GMT -5
- Favourite line of the movie- "Hey, asshole! Up here!" That was good, but I still liked: "How sweet ... dark meat!" LOL, I remember watching this with friends at university. When Freddy said that line, one of them reacted by saying "Such a racist!" in a You Cheeky Bastard tone of voice. Also what is Everclear anyway?!
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Post by erisi236 on Nov 21, 2008 12:08:59 GMT -5
Also what is Everclear anyway?! 151 - 190 proof grain alcohol. The 190 version is actually illegal in a few states.
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Post by hollywood on Nov 21, 2008 12:12:31 GMT -5
That was good, but I still liked: "How sweet ... dark meat!" LOL, I remember watching this with friends at university. When Freddy said that line, one of them reacted by saying "Such a racist!" in a You Cheeky Bastard tone of voice. I got to see an advanced screening in St. Louis about 4 days before it officially released. I was surrounded by black guys. And they all literally cheered at that line.
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