Jay Peas 42
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jun 18, 2008 23:09:42 GMT -5
See: "The Once and Future Thing"
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Ace Diamond
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 18, 2008 23:11:59 GMT -5
Ok I've always wondered this. Say you go back in time and change your own personal history. For example you change your life around a bit to a point where you'd never have to go back to change anything. Now say that does happen and you manage to change everything to what you wanted. WOuld that then mean you'd erase the part of history where you originally went back and basically erase any changes you make based on the fact you never went back to change thing to begin with? Seriously this stuff really confuses me when I think about it. I mean, if you go back does that mean in original history you go back, and things continue on as normal based on the fact history is flowing as it should? Or does everything change, but then how does it affect you if you went forward in time again? Would that be your life, or the life of the part of you that was born in that timeline? Ah, my head hurts. Predestination Paradox. Basically the idea that if you didn't go back to make yourself exist you wouldn't exist in the first place.
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AFN: Judge Shred
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jun 18, 2008 23:22:55 GMT -5
The Dahaka would kill me for tampering.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jun 18, 2008 23:24:44 GMT -5
ONE POINT TWENTY-ONE GIGAWATTS!!!!!!
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Dirty Hazy
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Post by Dirty Hazy on Jun 19, 2008 1:12:40 GMT -5
GREAT SCOTT!! I know, this is heavy!
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Jun 19, 2008 3:22:33 GMT -5
Yes I would change it so that I wrote Journey's 'Don't Stop Believing' and make millions
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Post by Lucha Lee Tour 2009 [SOLD OUT] on Jun 19, 2008 3:27:22 GMT -5
That book any good? Sounds interesting. EDIT-NVM, I don't wanna read some book where Mary turns out to be a whore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2008 4:15:30 GMT -5
I'd love to time travel using the Futurama paradox solving Fry's ass tattoo method. What was the deal there again? and what season is it from? It was from Bender's Big Score; Fry had a tattoo of Bender on his ass, that when examined very closely had a binary code on it. When the code was read, a time portal opened, allowing the user to go to any time they wanted, do anything they wanted, and all paradoxes would be solved so that effectively nothing had changed.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jun 19, 2008 6:54:46 GMT -5
Two events possibly to change would be:
May 23rd 1999, Kemper Arena
And Fayteville, Georgia, June 22nd 2007
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Jun 19, 2008 10:23:14 GMT -5
Used to be of the idea that changing certain events would be justified BUT recently, I believe more in the ideal that no matter what you do, time WILL adjust itself. EXAMPLE: You go back to the 30's and you decide to kill Hitler so that horribleness will never happen. You succeed. You head back to the present, BUT: His little known brother Peter Hitler takes over in his place, conquering all of Europe and Asia. The world suffers greater losses. This is "time" we're talking about here. It's not a person, it's an actual force and one that if we were able to travel through is STILL an unpredictable and extremely powerful force. We're just learning how to travel through it, why would it allow us to make changes in its grand design? I see it as self correcting to whatever the original timeline was. With resulting consequences being DIRE.
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Post by Macho Dude Handy Damage on Jun 19, 2008 12:00:40 GMT -5
GREAT SCOTT!! I know, this is heavy! Gravity has nothing to do with it!
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mrrotten
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Post by mrrotten on Jun 22, 2008 20:51:59 GMT -5
Now, let's say you go back in time, or go to the future, would you take advantage of any finanical info you have, or get? Would you go back in time and buy stocks that will do really well (like Cory did in Boy Meets World) or put money into the bank and let the interest build (like the guy said in Time Travelers)? Or did what Marty wanted to do/Old Biff did?
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Ace Diamond
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 22, 2008 20:53:04 GMT -5
C&C: Red Alert taught us that if you get rid of Hitler, Stalin will just run wild on Europe.
Moral of the Story: don't ever f*** with the past.
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Post by big nasty on Jun 22, 2008 20:54:03 GMT -5
Could you change the timeline? Maybe whatever you do was taken into account to begin with? I mean if you went back to the 40's and did something, it would have already happened anyways. Time traveling makes no damn sense. i try to explain this to people all the time, they never listen.
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Post by Rorschach on Jun 22, 2008 20:58:01 GMT -5
Used to be of the idea that changing certain events would be justified BUT recently, I believe more in the ideal that no matter what you do, time WILL adjust itself. EXAMPLE: You go back to the 30's and you decide to kill Hitler so that horribleness will never happen. You succeed. You head back to the present, BUT: His little known brother Peter Hitler takes over in his place, conquering all of Europe and Asia. The world suffers greater losses. This is "time" we're talking about here. It's not a person, it's an actual force and one that if we were able to travel through is STILL an unpredictable and extremely powerful force. We're just learning how to travel through it, why would it allow us to make changes in its grand design? I see it as self correcting to whatever the original timeline was. With resulting consequences being DIRE. Which I already kind of hit upon in my Kennedy analogy. You could ATTEMPT to change things, but in the end, death, and time, have plans for everyone. So all you would essentially accomplish is either POSTPONING the event, or causing it to happen differently. You cannot evern effectively eliminate something from the timeline, since that would leave a vacuum, and nature abhors a vacuum.
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mrrotten
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Post by mrrotten on Jun 22, 2008 21:04:48 GMT -5
Used to be of the idea that changing certain events would be justified BUT recently, I believe more in the ideal that no matter what you do, time WILL adjust itself. EXAMPLE: You go back to the 30's and you decide to kill Hitler so that horribleness will never happen. You succeed. You head back to the present, BUT: His little known brother Peter Hitler takes over in his place, conquering all of Europe and Asia. The world suffers greater losses. This is "time" we're talking about here. It's not a person, it's an actual force and one that if we were able to travel through is STILL an unpredictable and extremely powerful force. We're just learning how to travel through it, why would it allow us to make changes in its grand design? I see it as self correcting to whatever the original timeline was. With resulting consequences being DIRE. Which I already kind of hit upon in my Kennedy analogy. You could ATTEMPT to change things, but in the end, death, and time, have plans for everyone. So all you would essentially accomplish is either POSTPONING the event, or causing it to happen differently. You cannot evern effectively eliminate something from the timeline, since that would leave a vacuum, and nature abhors a vacuum. I was wondering that if you did get rid of Hilter (or somebody else who committed some horror) would time/death just sub somebody else into the situation? Or say stop Lenin from starting Communism, would somebody else just be put in that spot to start it?
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Post by wildojinx on Jun 23, 2008 9:54:45 GMT -5
From what ive heard, if time travel WAS possible, it would only be possible to go forward, and only as far back as when the first time machine was created. Even if you were able to go back to say 2007 to stop benoit from killing his family, you'd be stuck in 2007 with no way to go back.
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Post by Rorschach on Jun 23, 2008 12:44:59 GMT -5
From what ive heard, if time travel WAS possible, it would only be possible to go forward, and only as far back as when the first time machine was created. Even if you were able to go back to say 2007 to stop benoit from killing his family, you'd be stuck in 2007 with no way to go back. A-HA! But then, if you were to be stuck there, you'd have to wait until 2008, when the entire situation would replay itself over and over, leaving you stuck in a loop. Because, you see, if you do stop Benoit, then what reason would you ever have to come back in the first place? Yet, if you had no reason to ever jump back in time, chances are you never would have done it, therefore, you wouldn't STOP Benoit from doing what he did. and therefore you'd have a reason to go back again.... And that would play out OVER and OVER and OVER again.....
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mrrotten
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Post by mrrotten on Sept 6, 2008 18:54:06 GMT -5
Let's say if you had some freak thing happened if you woke up one day, and realized you were in your younger version self, and you had no way to get back. Would you try to stop anything bad from happening? And what would about a case of doing stuff earlier then you did the first time? Like I didn't get my driver's license til I was 18. So let's say somehow I was 16 again, but with my current driving experience, decided to get it earlier then I original did. How would that effect the time line?
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 6, 2008 19:02:43 GMT -5
I mean, with the JFK example....say you did go back in time and stop the assassination in Dallas, TX from happening. More than likely, JFK would still end up getting killed SOMEHOW either later that day, or later that week, because it was death's design for him to go at that moment. All you would do is postpone the inevitable. Time Travel is fascinating. Actually, if you did stop the JFK assassination, Rorschach, he'd only be impeached 2 years later, and a man that has ties to the mob would be elected, thus letting the Soviets put nukes in Cuba, making the entire country flee to Canada. Then, you'd go to Idewilde Airport, and explain to JFK that he'd have to assassinate himself, thus driving the conspiracy theorists nuts figuring it out. If you went back to stop the Lincoln assassination, nobody would believe you. However, while you tried to convince people, John Wilkes Booth would overhear it, and learn about the security hole, and go kill Lincoln. Actually, I think there was an episode of the Twilight Zone called "Back There." A man goes back to a day or two before Lincoln's assassination, tries to warn people, meets Booth, Booth drugs him or something, thus Lincoln's assassination goes off. It's amazing that these two things complete counteract each other. One states that you can screw with the timeline. The other states that no matter what you do, history is set in stone.
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