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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 14, 2008 1:28:13 GMT -5
The Spider-Man movies have done some things that really bugged me: * Spider-Man 1 - Wouldn't the shady wrestling promoter eventually put to and to together that Peter Parker and Spider-Man are the same person, since he saw Peter (while paying him for beating Bone Shaw McGraw) without his mask on? It could happen that he figures it out, BUT to that guy, Peter was just some skinny twerp that signed up for the night. He was slimy and shady enough that he probably doesn't even keep records of who's doing what. On top of that the he only saw Peter himself for like, a few seconds and then immediatly got robbed at gun point. I doubt he remembers what Peter would even look like, let alone remember his name that he probably never even knew in the first place. That's not a plot hole. Logic hole maybe, but not a plot hole. 1) By the end of Spider-Man 2 they were already starting with people trusting and liking Spider more, and then at the very begining of Spidey 3 it said right at the begining that people were liking him now. 2) That is a big time Dues Ex Machina. 3) That's not a plot hole. It's just an unanswered question. 4) That's not a plot hole. 5) That's not a plot hole. It's just a convience. Technically speaking how convienent was it that Peter Parker just happened to go to the exhibit the one day a spider got loose, then just happened to stand right underneath it while it just happened to decide to descend upon him and bite him? Comics and comic movies are pretty much a series of coincedences. 6) That is a plot hole, and I have no clue how Venom would know about Sandman's situation with his daughter. I can't remember for sure, but if Spider-Man knew about his daughter by that point that would explain it though. As Venom knows what Spider-Man knows. 7) The crane was shut off by that point. One, as you could tell everything was stopped and nothing was falling or making noise any more. Two, there was a whole scene where Captain Stacy told the workers to cut off power to the block to stop the crane. 8) He still wishes to honor his uncle and practice his motto of "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility". Just because he forgives his uncle's killer doesn't mean he doesn't wish to continue his uncle's legacy. 9) Stacy is a high ranking police officer. I have no doubts that he would know the Osbourne's. Also, Gwen could be there to support her friend Peter as well.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 14, 2008 1:34:11 GMT -5
In The Dark Knight, when the finally capture the Joker and they're trying to ID him but can't, they do everything--they run his prints, check his clothes for the manufacturer, they probably even check his fecal matter for dietary patterns. They do absolutely everything...except take his makeup off. That doesn't bother me since I didn't think of it. The one that did bother me was why take the cuffs off him and than never put them back on so he could escape
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Dec 14, 2008 1:56:32 GMT -5
Crap - sorry man, meant to quote this and modified it instead. Ugh. - Madison
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 14, 2008 2:04:01 GMT -5
Ghostbusters: When Zuul tells the Ghostbusters to think of a destroyer Venkman explains that if they think of J Edgar Hoover then he'll be the one to destroy the city. So, why didn't J Edgar Hoover show up instead of the Stay Puft Marshmellow Man? Because nobody thought of J. Edgar Hoover.
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Post by -Lithium- on Dec 14, 2008 2:20:17 GMT -5
In the 2nd BttF movie, the present gets changed & yet the future doesn't. Biff dies off camera...
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Dec 14, 2008 2:22:34 GMT -5
I don't know if this is a plot hole but it's something that drives me crazy. Why is it that kids never get hurt or die in action movies. A physically fit grown man will miss a jump and fall to his doom while some obnoxious twerp will make the jump just fine on sheer willpower. What? The only movie I can think of where a kid dies (right at the beginning) is John Carpenter's "Assault on Precinct 13" (the original). The little girl is the same one who starred in Disney's "Witch Mountain" movies. OK, in "Speed", Dennis Hopper's character is missing a thumb on one hand. He's on the phone with Keanu (I think), holding it with his thumb-ed hand, and he snaps his fingers with the other... how? In "Fantastic Voyage", the mini-scientists escape from the patient before they return to normal size... but leave the wrecked sub inside the guy. In "Clash of the Titans", Perseus uses the head of Medusa on the Krakken, with people watching the battle... why didn't the people watching also get turned to stone?
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Dec 14, 2008 2:29:44 GMT -5
Ghostbusters: When Zuul tells the Ghostbusters to think of a destroyer Venkman explains that if they think of J Edgar Hoover then he'll be the one to destroy the city. So, why didn't J Edgar Hoover show up instead of the Stay Puft Marshmellow Man? Because nobody thought of J. Edgar Hoover. Venkman did when he used Hoover as an example. He had to think of him to use him as a reference.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 14, 2008 4:15:14 GMT -5
Apparently you missed the part where Yoda was yelling at him because he had to complete his training but he chose to go save his friends instead. He does, but when Luke returns in Jedi to complete his training, Yoda says he has learned all that he needed to learn and his final test is to defeat Vader. That's like the final of your driving test being to win the Indy 500. My guess is, Yoda said that because he knew he was dying, and that there was no one else left for Luke to learn from. Thus, Luke has to go as is. However, the Skywalkers are strong in the Force (which is half the reason I think Lucas decided to introduce the nonsense that is midichloridians), so perhaps Yoda had faith that Luke had finally arrived at a strong enough level to go head to head with Vader. Here's another thing. My guess is that Jedi takes place about a year or so after Empire (which explains why the Death Star still isn't complete...it took at least 17 years to build the first one if the prequels are to be believed). So, say Luke has been in intense training with Yoda on Dagobah for about a year. Also in that time, Lando and Chewie have been chasing Fett looking for Han, which begs the question: They know he's going to Tattooine no matter what, since Jabba lives there! So why not start there?! My guess is Fett decided to give them the slip, ran with Solo for a few months before collecting on the bounty, and then dropped off Solo when the heat had died down. Or even better, arrainged to meet Hutt off world to deliver Solo, only to have Jabba go straight to Tattooine anyways with his prize. Thus, Fett had decided to stay on to guard Solo for Jabba just in case for even more money. There's a lot of holes from the original trilogy that I've learned to deal with by trying to reason them out and accepting them. I actually enjoy trying to figure out the timeline of the Star Wars Universe.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 14, 2008 4:19:29 GMT -5
The Spider-Man movies have done some things that really bugged me: * Spider-Man 1 - Wouldn't the shady wrestling promoter eventually put to and to together that Peter Parker and Spider-Man are the same person, since he saw Peter (while paying him for beating Bone Shaw McGraw) without his mask on? It could happen that he figures it out, BUT to that guy, Peter was just some skinny twerp that signed up for the night. He was slimy and shady enough that he probably doesn't even keep records of who's doing what. On top of that the he only saw Peter himself for like, a few seconds and then immediatly got robbed at gun point. I doubt he remembers what Peter would even look like, let alone remember his name that he probably never even knew in the first place. I'm still holding out hope that Bruce is actually Mysterio, and that he's tormenting Peter and tripping him up since he knows his identity now. Bruce hinted at that at the showing of My Name Is Bruce I attended.
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Post by Bobby Womack on Dec 14, 2008 4:44:01 GMT -5
But that in it of itself is a plot hole. You can't knowingly send back your father, who is younger than you to screw your mom. It just can't work. John knows, Kyle doesn't. He just knows that he has to send the guy so he will be conceived but it still makes no sense, in these type of movies we're lead to believe that every moment in time happens over and over again infinitely, repeating everything in a connected parallel universe, so if in the later repeats of all previous events reese fathered john by nailing his mom, who was his father the first time these events occured before there was a future? its the chicken and the egg
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Post by Mike Strike on Dec 14, 2008 5:43:04 GMT -5
In the 2nd BttF movie, the present gets changed & yet the future doesn't. Biff dies off camera... So did George but he's alive & well in the future.
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 14, 2008 6:30:24 GMT -5
Because nobody thought of J. Edgar Hoover. Venkman did when he used Hoover as an example. He had to think of him to use him as a reference. Yeah, but Ray actually decided on it.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 14, 2008 10:40:31 GMT -5
In The Dark Knight, when the finally capture the Joker and they're trying to ID him but can't, they do everything--they run his prints, check his clothes for the manufacturer, they probably even check his fecal matter for dietary patterns. They do absolutely everything...except take his makeup off. That doesn't bother me since I didn't think of it. The one that did bother me was why take the cuffs off him and than never put them back on so he could escape Or why in the mobster's meeting with Lau they didn't seem to have any security at the back door.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 14, 2008 12:45:12 GMT -5
That doesn't bother me since I didn't think of it. The one that did bother me was why take the cuffs off him and than never put them back on so he could escape Or why in the mobster's meeting with Lau they didn't seem to have any security at the back door. Who said they didn't. This is the Joker we're talking about.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 14, 2008 12:51:42 GMT -5
Because nobody thought of J. Edgar Hoover. Venkman did when he used Hoover as an example. He had to think of him to use him as a reference. Ray thought of the SPMM before Venkman mentioned Hoover. It just popped into his head first. The delay in Gozer saying so was just how much time it took to create the SPMM. There. Problem solved.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 14, 2008 12:52:33 GMT -5
In "Clash of the Titans", Perseus uses the head of Medusa on the Krakken, with people watching the battle... why didn't the people watching also get turned to stone? He was holding it in a direction not facing them. There has to be eye contact with the Medusa head.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 14, 2008 12:57:06 GMT -5
Venkman did when he used Hoover as an example. He had to think of him to use him as a reference. Ray thought of the SPMM before Venkman mentioned Hoover. It just popped into his head first. The delay in Gozer saying so was just how much time it took to create the SPMM. There. Problem solved. So if Ray hadn't thought of Stay Puft first, Peter would have been the one who screwed everyone over by thinking of Hoover?
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Dec 14, 2008 13:32:00 GMT -5
In the 2nd BttF movie, the present gets changed & yet the future doesn't. If you're talking about what I think you're talking about the explanation is that it taskes time for things to fade away. Like in the first film how Marty's sibling's slowly started to fade out of the picture and eventually Marty himself from existence. Old Man Biff changed the past and proceeded to go back to the future but the future as he knew it was only still there because it had not yet faded away. But when Marty and The Doc go back to 1985 the fade had already reached that time. There was a cut scene from BTTF2 where Old Man Biff gets out of the time machine and he fades away (because apparently as rich Biff he dies before getting that old).
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Post by Will Has 'Til Five, Ref on Dec 14, 2008 13:37:08 GMT -5
Short answer to all plot hole questions: a wizard did it.
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Post by the threadkiller on Dec 14, 2008 13:48:30 GMT -5
He does, but when Luke returns in Jedi to complete his training, Yoda says he has learned all that he needed to learn and his final test is to defeat Vader. That's like the final of your driving test being to win the Indy 500. My guess is, Yoda said that because he knew he was dying, and that there was no one else left for Luke to learn from. Thus, Luke has to go as is. However, the Skywalkers are strong in the Force (which is half the reason I think Lucas decided to introduce the nonsense that is midichloridians), so perhaps Yoda had faith that Luke had finally arrived at a strong enough level to go head to head with Vader. Here's another thing. My guess is that Jedi takes place about a year or so after Empire (which explains why the Death Star still isn't complete...it took at least 17 years to build the first one if the prequels are to be believed). So, say Luke has been in intense training with Yoda on Dagobah for about a year. Also in that time, Lando and Chewie have been chasing Fett looking for Han, which begs the question: They know he's going to Tattooine no matter what, since Jabba lives there! So why not start there?! My guess is Fett decided to give them the slip, ran with Solo for a few months before collecting on the bounty, and then dropped off Solo when the heat had died down. Or even better, arrainged to meet Hutt off world to deliver Solo, only to have Jabba go straight to Tattooine anyways with his prize. Thus, Fett had decided to stay on to guard Solo for Jabba just in case for even more money. There's a lot of holes from the original trilogy that I've learned to deal with by trying to reason them out and accepting them. I actually enjoy trying to figure out the timeline of the Star Wars Universe. Alot of these questions get answered in the "Shadows of the Empire" novel. I had many of the same questions, but this book is a must read if all of those things really bother you.
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