4real
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Post by 4real on Oct 19, 2008 6:27:52 GMT -5
I just hope its all part of a storyline and that he hasn't pissed anyone off.
I think sometimes you have to take the rough with the smooth, he came into the company, found himself feuding with Kane and Taker straight away, feuded with Benoit, held the U.S Title for 11 months, great feud with Matt Hardy, chosen to wrestle Flair before his retirement.....maybe he has to have a rough patch for a while you know.
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azz0r
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Post by azz0r on Oct 19, 2008 6:32:24 GMT -5
Part of his current storyline that if he gets a win, he gets a bonus.
My guess is that they're leading to him switching brands OR disappearing and then coming back with a winning streak leading to feuding for the title.
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Post by angryfan on Oct 19, 2008 6:36:00 GMT -5
Part of his current storyline that if he gets a win, he gets a bonus. My guess is that they're leading to him switching brands OR disappearing and then coming back with a winning streak leading to feuding for the title. Interesting idea for a storyline, but, well, it seems destined to backfire. Yeah, you want the heel booed, but if he gets mauled over and over and over, the "boo, he's a heel, yayfor the faces" thing turns to "oh, look, a jobber with music". They ARE a ways from that point, but, particularly with the crowds they seem to get for SD, they need to be careful.
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randomranter
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Post by randomranter on Oct 19, 2008 7:01:41 GMT -5
Remember when they attempted to get Lance Storm over by making him boring? Yeah, that went over so well that it got inducted into Wrestlecrap.
Or when there was a newz article some time back that an idea Vince had for one of the hardys was that he'd go on an extended losing streak but would somehow remain over? And remember when we all (rightfully) crapped all over that, too?
I see the current MVP thing as a variant of the two things I mentioned above.
Having a guy repeatedly LOSE is not a way to get him over. As angryfan said above, it makes fans look at him as "ooh, look. A jobber with music."
And I actually don't think this is entirely a storyline. Obviously, a part of it is now, but he's been on an extended losing streak even before this storyline began. Rather than trying to explain his losing streak by saying it's all a part of a really bad attempt to get him over in the long run (which makes no sense since he was already over to begin with), the real reason may be that the guy was simply relegated to JTTS status.
And before people say "Well he held the US belt for 11 months!" or other such things, remember this:
Rey Mysterio was jobbed out to every single hoss on the roster during his WHC run. He was pretty much the Iron Mike Sharpe/SD Jones of 2006.
Val Venis held the IC and European belts. He held a pseudo-GM role. He was part of numerous high-profile storylines and to this day is still over with the crowd. And he's now a jobber.
I don't think there's any deep explanation. I think the guy is simply just a jobber now. A jobber with a storyline, but still a jobber.
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Oct 19, 2008 10:35:12 GMT -5
Except that some guys who randomly go on an extended losing streak suddenly find themselves at the unemployment line. See Conway, Rob. See Domino, The. See Jordan, Orlando. You just listed three guys who never actually went on a winning streak, or who were somewhat relevant. I listed all 3 because they had been given pushes that were abruptly stopped in favor a losing streak because creative "didn't have anything better," and now they're all lining up independent shows across the country. Conway, when he first became the Conman, had a series of victories on Raw (including beating Matt Hardy) that abruptly ended when he lost to Eugene and Superfly Snuka at Taboo Tuesday 2005. He then went on a losing streak that was even addressed by McMahon, before being given his slip. Orlando was given a big push in the Cabinet and was US Champ (even the top champ on Smackdown! for a few weeks) until creative decided it'd be funny to have him lose in 20 seconds weekly. He never recovered. Domino, along with Deuce, was part of a dominant tag team that actually ended the reign of the longest WWE tag champs and lost to the makeshift tag team of two people who were feuding: Matt Hardy and MVP. (Back top the topic roundaboutly.) After that point, he lost non-stop with only a random victory here or there..and was then released. My point was that, while these guys aren't exactly huge main eventers, the losing streak gimmick never works out positively. Maybe Christian (around Wrestlemania X8) was the only somewhat positive case I can think of, but even then it didn't really help his exposure much. It was just something for him to do.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 19, 2008 10:45:21 GMT -5
Isn't Vince not high on him these days. I believe there was sometihing about Vince telling him to be more like Shelton. Also that deal with the Wellness Policy test. Could be punishment.
Then again Matt Hardy spent a good part of a year jobbing out but still got monster pops. Which lead into a push that still going.
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salTy
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Post by salTy on Oct 19, 2008 11:31:24 GMT -5
I see no positive conclusion to this situation unless his win to break the streak is over someone like Hardy, R-Truth, or HHH.
But I don't see that happening. Sad too, because I thought MVP was prime to be the next Rock.
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randomranter
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Post by randomranter on Oct 19, 2008 11:44:16 GMT -5
I see no positive conclusion to this situation unless his win to break the streak is over someone like Hardy, R-Truth, or HHH. But I don't see that happening. Sad too, because I thought MVP was prime to be the next Rock. Hardy or HHH yes. But R-Truth is not yet in a position to be able to give up that kind of a loss without destroying his own momentum.
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theshowstoppa
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Post by theshowstoppa on Oct 19, 2008 11:48:27 GMT -5
You just listed three guys who never actually went on a winning streak, or who were somewhat relevant. I listed all 3 because they had been given pushes that were abruptly stopped in favor a losing streak because creative "didn't have anything better," and now they're all lining up independent shows across the country. Conway, when he first became the Conman, had a series of victories on Raw (including beating Matt Hardy) that abruptly ended when he lost to Eugene and Superfly Snuka at Taboo Tuesday 2005. He then went on a losing streak that was even addressed by McMahon, before being given his slip. Orlando was given a big push in the Cabinet and was US Champ (even the top champ on Smackdown! for a few weeks) until creative decided it'd be funny to have him lose in 20 seconds weekly. He never recovered. Domino, along with Deuce, was part of a dominantTERRIBLE tag team that actually ended the reign of the longest WWE tag champs and lost to the makeshift tag team of two people who were feuding: Matt Hardy and MVP. (Back top the topic roundaboutly.) After that point, he lost non-stop with only a random victory here or there..and was then released. My point was that, while these guys aren't exactly huge main eventers, the losing streak gimmick never works out positively. Maybe Christian (around Wrestlemania X8) was the only somewhat positive case I can think of, but even then it didn't really help his exposure much. It was just something for him to do. Fixed
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Post by hargh on Oct 19, 2008 12:06:41 GMT -5
MVP's getting screwed....drivered.
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Oct 19, 2008 12:14:39 GMT -5
I listed all 3 because they had been given pushes that were abruptly stopped in favor a losing streak because creative "didn't have anything better," and now they're all lining up independent shows across the country. Conway, when he first became the Conman, had a series of victories on Raw (including beating Matt Hardy) that abruptly ended when he lost to Eugene and Superfly Snuka at Taboo Tuesday 2005. He then went on a losing streak that was even addressed by McMahon, before being given his slip. Orlando was given a big push in the Cabinet and was US Champ (even the top champ on Smackdown! for a few weeks) until creative decided it'd be funny to have him lose in 20 seconds weekly. He never recovered. Domino, along with Deuce, was part of a dominantTERRIBLE tag team that actually ended the reign of the longest WWE tag champs and lost to the makeshift tag team of two people who were feuding: Matt Hardy and MVP. (Back top the topic roundaboutly.) After that point, he lost non-stop with only a random victory here or there..and was then released. My point was that, while these guys aren't exactly huge main eventers, the losing streak gimmick never works out positively. Maybe Christian (around Wrestlemania X8) was the only somewhat positive case I can think of, but even then it didn't really help his exposure much. It was just something for him to do. Fixed Bah..opinions, opinions. You can't deny they won a ton of matches, at least for a little while.
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Post by makavelithadon on Oct 19, 2008 12:15:05 GMT -5
MVP's getting screwed....drivered. I LOL'd. On the real though I don't think this so called losing streak is anything to bother about. I don't think he's in any serious danger career wise.
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salTy
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Post by salTy on Oct 19, 2008 12:23:18 GMT -5
I see no positive conclusion to this situation unless his win to break the streak is over someone like Hardy, R-Truth, or HHH. But I don't see that happening. Sad too, because I thought MVP was prime to be the next Rock. Hardy or HHH yes. But R-Truth is not yet in a position to be able to give up that kind of a loss without destroying his own momentum. It doesn't have to be a clean win. We're not talking Bob Holly over CM Punk here.
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Post by Twinkies Rule! (so does Tacos) on Oct 19, 2008 12:48:44 GMT -5
This may seem like smark hate but this streak started around when HHH came to SD. (and I like HHH, sort of)
I'm just sayin'.
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Post by Krimzon on Oct 19, 2008 14:16:44 GMT -5
Being in wrestling limbo with HHH & Hardy on the roster does not bode well for anybody. It just sucks that it's MVP. Since they did this HHH/Hardy program off the bat, there are no faces for him to feud with. He's just...there. The more losses he gets, the more I want them to turn the screwdriver NEWZ into a serious angle with MVP attacking people with a screwdriver. If Abby the Butcher can go for decades with a fork, MVP can go with a screwdriver for a while.
I don't care what happens! I just want him to win! Everytime MVP loses a match, an angel gets its wings ripped off.
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Oct 19, 2008 14:52:59 GMT -5
If it's any consolation though, it's been a while since The Brian Kendrick really won a match too.
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Post by Thank You Shawn on Oct 19, 2008 17:41:45 GMT -5
Yea this baffles me as well, Jeff "Druggie" Hardy is late to the Vegas tapeings and gets pushed while MVP gets nothing, completely disgusts me.
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Post by MGH on Oct 19, 2008 17:46:46 GMT -5
The more losses he gets, the more I want them to turn the screwdriver NEWZ into a serious angle with MVP attacking people with a screwdriver. "Hi, I'm Dolph Ziggler " ..... *stabs with screwdriver*
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Post by Loki on Oct 19, 2008 18:22:14 GMT -5
You just listed three guys who never actually went on a winning streak, or who were somewhat relevant. I listed all 3 because they had been given pushes that were abruptly stopped in favor a losing streak because creative "didn't have anything better," and now they're all lining up independent shows across the country. Conway, when he first became the Conman, had a series of victories on Raw (including beating Matt Hardy) that abruptly ended when he lost to Eugene and Superfly Snuka at Taboo Tuesday 2005. He then went on a losing streak that was even addressed by McMahon, before being given his slip. Ok, here's the list of Conway's wins [source OWW] Val Venis, Viscera, Hurricane, injured Matt Hardy, Matt Striker, Shelton Benjamin [via Kerwin White's interference], Tajiri, Eugene, Doink, Greg Valentine, Koko B. Ware. Then he lost at Cyber Sunday and jobbed on Heat and dark matches for one year until he got released. Matt Hardy was bandaged, IIRC after the SummerSlam match against Edge. The win against Shelton was a dirty one. The rest were older guys, or jobbers. There's no losing streak to speak of, as he never even had a winning one. I rather compare him with Red Rooster than with MVP... OJ was just JBL's henchman, and got the US title as they needed to take it off Cena. Then his reign was pretty meaningless (look at who he faced and where... Velocity Talents...) and the only highlight was his upset win against Benoit at GAB. Benoit defeating him in a matter of seconds was a way to get rid of the most boring and uninspiring US Champion of all times. It could have been Haas, Doug Basham, or Steve Lombardi.. it wouldn't made a difference. Once again, a "you're useless" losing streak for a man who didn't leave a mark Par for the course for every Tag Team member whose last name isn't Hardy. Deuce and Domino ran their short course, and there was nothing left for them. Winning tag team matches =/= having a singles push. See London, Paul. The matter of fact is you're comparing MVP, who has been portrayed as a worthy US Champ, and a good match for Main Eventers like HHH and Jeff Hardy, to nobodies who got 15 seconds of pseudo-glory and then were disposed of, as they had shown nothing... If you can come up with better examples of "losing streaks" killing a character, I'll be willing to give that a shot. But as long as you bring up the 2000s counterparts of Paul Roma, Zeus and Barbarian, there's not to much to debate. To the other guy fearing MVP will be perceived as "a jobber with music", well... let's wait another year of constant losing and then we can talk about it again. Oh, and if Kane hasn't been given that response already, you shouldn't lose sleep over MVP becoming another Ric Martel [said with the utmost respect and appreciation for The Model...] RELAX GUYS RELAX! ;D
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Oct 19, 2008 22:59:33 GMT -5
The Fatal Four Way shouldn't count. He wasn't pinned. He didn't lose, he just didn't win. It seemed like he was made to look the worst in that match. Anyway, I think the way he is being booked now is to play off of him getting a huge bonus when he wins his next match...so he constantly keeps losing. I hope he gets back into the main event picture soon though, being the big MVP fan that I am.
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