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Post by theshowstoppa on Nov 15, 2008 22:16:29 GMT -5
Ironic that a thread about McRibs would contain food analogies...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2008 22:45:23 GMT -5
And it's punk fault because........
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Post by pks on Nov 15, 2008 23:20:17 GMT -5
Didn't Michelle also refuse to work a program with Jillian and Victoria because she 'already did'?
Someone tell this primadonna wannabe Trish, she's not that great.
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Post by MCMGM on Nov 15, 2008 23:53:41 GMT -5
And it's punk fault because........ .......he was born.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Nov 16, 2008 2:24:43 GMT -5
McCool was trying to teach Natalya, a veteran in pro wrestling, how to wrestle and nNatalya didn't like it. a veteran in pro wrestling? didnt nattie start in stampede in 03? only a year before mccool was signed to wwe? the earliest ive ever heard anyone claim she started (which ive seen nothing to substantiate) is 2000, and even that wouldnt qualify her as a veteran, and the story went something like mccool was showing her how they want things done for tv, and being in the wwe system for around 3 years longer than neidhart who had just made it to tv at the time, im sure she had a much better idea about what they want, people seem to forget that just because you know how to wrestle well it doesnt mean you can show up in wwe and do well, they have a whole system of how they want things done thats nothing like any other promotion, so mccool does have the experience edge on her in that scenario im sorry to say, people need to stop overrating natalya just because shes a member of the overrated sacred cow of wrestling families, shes done absolutely zero that ive seen that makes her anything special That is kind of a reach. By that logic, a guy like say...AJ Styles were to come into the WWE and then have a guy...say...Snitsky comes up to him and tries to show him how to work the WWE style. Here is AJ Styles who is veteran in pro wrestling and has amassed great popularity for being a great worker getting taught how to work the WWE style by SNITSKY. Think about that. It'd be one thing if it was HBK, Taker, HHH, Edge, Cena, Batista, Cody Rhodes, Jillian Garcia, Michael Cole, etc but a guy who has never put on a good match in his life and was only even remotely over three years should NOT be teaching someone like AJ how to work. Likewise with McCool/Natalya. Natalya is a veteran in pro wrestling and has had longer in ring experience than McCool and was regarded for years as one of the tope female workers in the indies. McCool was just some Diva Search reject that couldn't get over her first two go arounds and now even after a Supergirl push, still can not get over. Why should SHE of all Divas be teaching someone like Natalya the WWE "style"? If the agents really wanted to get Natalya up to their "style" they have guys and Divas capable of doing so. Hell, Finlay still travels with the Smackdown roster so he could help Natalya. Rotundo, Malenko, etc. could help her. Plus you got freakin Victoria and she's been around all decade! Not some anorexic wanna be Queen Diva who thinks her push is reflective of her popularity and wrestling ability. The best Divas are the ones who go out of their way to put over other Divas. You can't have a strong division and thus be a strong champion if you don't have challengers that are built up to be worthy.
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Post by Celgress on Nov 16, 2008 2:34:04 GMT -5
. Maryse and Edge-Hot canadian heel couple FTW Maryse being depushed, I don't know how I'll ever get over the lose.
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Post by shamana on Nov 16, 2008 3:34:13 GMT -5
Speaking of teaching Nattie how to work WWE style, wasn't that the main reason for teaming her up with Victoria?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2008 4:18:28 GMT -5
a veteran in pro wrestling? didnt nattie start in stampede in 03? only a year before mccool was signed to wwe? the earliest ive ever heard anyone claim she started (which ive seen nothing to substantiate) is 2000, and even that wouldnt qualify her as a veteran, and the story went something like mccool was showing her how they want things done for tv, and being in the wwe system for around 3 years longer than neidhart who had just made it to tv at the time, im sure she had a much better idea about what they want, people seem to forget that just because you know how to wrestle well it doesnt mean you can show up in wwe and do well, they have a whole system of how they want things done thats nothing like any other promotion, so mccool does have the experience edge on her in that scenario im sorry to say, people need to stop overrating natalya just because shes a member of the overrated sacred cow of wrestling families, shes done absolutely zero that ive seen that makes her anything special That is kind of a reach. By that logic, a guy like say...AJ Styles were to come into the WWE and then have a guy...say...Snitsky comes up to him and tries to show him how to work the WWE style. Here is AJ Styles who is veteran in pro wrestling and has amassed great popularity for being a great worker getting taught how to work the WWE style by SNITSKY. Think about that. It'd be one thing if it was HBK, Taker, HHH, Edge, Cena, Batista, Cody Rhodes, Jillian Garcia, Michael Cole, etc but a guy who has never put on a good match in his life and was only even remotely over three years should NOT be teaching someone like AJ how to work. Likewise with McCool/Natalya. Natalya is a veteran in pro wrestling and has had longer in ring experience than McCool and was regarded for years as one of the tope female workers in the indies. McCool was just some Diva Search reject that couldn't get over her first two go arounds and now even after a Supergirl push, still can not get over. Why should SHE of all Divas be teaching someone like Natalya the WWE "style"? If the agents really wanted to get Natalya up to their "style" they have guys and Divas capable of doing so. Hell, Finlay still travels with the Smackdown roster so he could help Natalya. Rotundo, Malenko, etc. could help her. Plus you got freakin Victoria and she's been around all decade! Not some anorexic wanna be Queen Diva who thinks her push is reflective of her popularity and wrestling ability. The best Divas are the ones who go out of their way to put over other Divas. You can't have a strong division and thus be a strong champion if you don't have challengers that are built up to be worthy. Well I don't know if you meant to come that way or even if McCool did this but is it Possible that Snitsky/McCool just gave some pointers?
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Nov 16, 2008 15:26:58 GMT -5
That is kind of a reach. By that logic, a guy like say...AJ Styles were to come into the WWE and then have a guy...say...Snitsky comes up to him and tries to show him how to work the WWE style. Here is AJ Styles who is veteran in pro wrestling and has amassed great popularity for being a great worker getting taught how to work the WWE style by SNITSKY. Think about that. It'd be one thing if it was HBK, Taker, HHH, Edge, Cena, Batista, Cody Rhodes, Jillian Garcia, Michael Cole, etc but a guy who has never put on a good match in his life and was only even remotely over three years should NOT be teaching someone like AJ how to work. Likewise with McCool/Natalya. Natalya is a veteran in pro wrestling and has had longer in ring experience than McCool and was regarded for years as one of the tope female workers in the indies. McCool was just some Diva Search reject that couldn't get over her first two go arounds and now even after a Supergirl push, still can not get over. Why should SHE of all Divas be teaching someone like Natalya the WWE "style"? If the agents really wanted to get Natalya up to their "style" they have guys and Divas capable of doing so. Hell, Finlay still travels with the Smackdown roster so he could help Natalya. Rotundo, Malenko, etc. could help her. Plus you got freakin Victoria and she's been around all decade! Not some anorexic wanna be Queen Diva who thinks her push is reflective of her popularity and wrestling ability. The best Divas are the ones who go out of their way to put over other Divas. You can't have a strong division and thus be a strong champion if you don't have challengers that are built up to be worthy. Well I don't know if you meant to come that way or even if McCool did this but is it Possible that Snitsky/McCool just gave some pointers? But suppose you are an employee somewhere, you've had years of experience in that job position. And then another employee comes up to you and tries to tell you how to do your job. This employee has been stuck at the same entry level job for years and it doesn't look like they are moving up anytime soon. Would you take the advice of someone who isn't going anywhere in the company? Especially one that has not had as much experience as you? Typically if an employer wants to "teach" a newer employee something, they would get one of their more dependable, experienced workers to coach you. McCool isn't the most experienced female worker in the company as she's only wrestled full time for about a year.
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Post by VengeanceGOD on Nov 16, 2008 15:32:52 GMT -5
The thing is, I don't even understand how that whole story could've given Natalya heat. Sure, she probably wasn't happy about it, but what did she do next? Anything other than "Ok, thanks Michelle." doesn't make any sense. I seriously doubt she ran around backstage screaming about how bitchy Michelle was, and if she did, maybe she does deserve the heat after all.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Nov 16, 2008 16:45:58 GMT -5
Well I don't know if you meant to come that way or even if McCool did this but is it Possible that Snitsky/McCool just gave some pointers? But suppose you are an employee somewhere, you've had years of experience in that job position. And then another employee comes up to you and tries to tell you how to do your job. This employee has been stuck at the same entry level job for years and it doesn't look like they are moving up anytime soon. Would you take the advice of someone who isn't going anywhere in the company? Especially one that has not had as much experience as you? Typically if an employer wants to "teach" a newer employee something, they would get one of their more dependable, experienced workers to coach you. McCool isn't the most experienced female worker in the company as she's only wrestled full time for about a year. The very fact that Michelle is Divas champ means you're wrong about her not going anywhere in the company. She's been with the WWE since 2004 and all she was trying to do as far as I can tell was just give Nattie some pointers about the WWE style. If someone was more experienced at a particular company and gave me a few pointers about the company, I would say, "Kay thanks" and not make a big deal about it. If the rumors are true, then I blame Nattie for taking it personally and making a big deal about it.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Nov 16, 2008 17:14:26 GMT -5
But suppose you are an employee somewhere, you've had years of experience in that job position. And then another employee comes up to you and tries to tell you how to do your job. This employee has been stuck at the same entry level job for years and it doesn't look like they are moving up anytime soon. Would you take the advice of someone who isn't going anywhere in the company? Especially one that has not had as much experience as you? Typically if an employer wants to "teach" a newer employee something, they would get one of their more dependable, experienced workers to coach you. McCool isn't the most experienced female worker in the company as she's only wrestled full time for about a year. The very fact that Michelle is Divas champ means you're wrong about her not going anywhere in the company. She's been with the WWE since 2004 and all she was trying to do as far as I can tell was just give Nattie some pointers about the WWE style. If someone was more experienced at a particular company and gave me a few pointers about the company, I would say, "Kay thanks" and not make a big deal about it. If the rumors are true, then I blame Nattie for taking it personally and making a big deal about it. Michelle isn't going anywhere in the company, because the fans don't give a 0987654321 about her. WWE gave her a pretty title to carry around, does that mean she is better than all of the other Divas in the company? No. Michelle may have been with WWE since 2004, but how long has she been an ACTUAL WRESTLER? Just because you've been around flaunting your non-figure, it doesn't automatically give you right to be all high and mighty over people who have been wrestling longer. Lita, Trish, Mickie, Victoria, etc. those would be girls that would be worth listening to. Not some chick who just started wrestling full time a year ago and has not been able to connect with the crowd since she debuted in 2004. If Michelle was actually legitimately over and puts on good matches and has been wrestling full time for more than a year or so. Then she might be in a position to give others advice. But Natalya is not a rookie that just walked off the cover of a modeling magazine.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Nov 16, 2008 17:34:42 GMT -5
The very fact that Michelle is Divas champ means you're wrong about her not going anywhere in the company. She's been with the WWE since 2004 and all she was trying to do as far as I can tell was just give Nattie some pointers about the WWE style. If someone was more experienced at a particular company and gave me a few pointers about the company, I would say, "Kay thanks" and not make a big deal about it. If the rumors are true, then I blame Nattie for taking it personally and making a big deal about it. Michelle isn't going anywhere in the company, because the fans don't give a 0987654321 about her. WWE gave her a pretty title to carry around, does that mean she is better than all of the other Divas in the company? No. Michelle may have been with WWE since 2004, but how long has she been an ACTUAL WRESTLER? Just because you've been around flaunting your non-figure, it doesn't automatically give you right to be all high and mighty over people who have been wrestling longer. Lita, Trish, Mickie, Victoria, etc. those would be girls that would be worth listening to. Not some chick who just started wrestling full time a year ago and has not been able to connect with the crowd since she debuted in 2004. If Michelle was actually legitimately over and puts on good matches and has been wrestling full time for more than a year or so. Then she might be in a position to give others advice. But Natalya is not a rookie that just walked off the cover of a modeling magazine. I'm sure Michelle has been training for a few years now and she probably legitimately knows the WWE style better than Nattie. And I never said she was a better diva than everyone else. And why is just trying to give a person some pointers and trying to help them out a bad thing all of a sudden? Also, Michelle has put on some good matches. She might not be that over, but she's the main Diva on the Smackdown roster and she has ability.
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Post by timebomb on Nov 16, 2008 17:56:13 GMT -5
Her stroke is killing the lockeroom. Of course its not going to go over well to have someone as the 'vocal leader of the divas lockeroom' for no reason other than they are sleeping with the godfather of the lockeroom when she herself has been very unproductive with big pushes.
I think its comical as hell to be honest. To kinda get into her head I am sure she thought she would have got real over with a superman push. Nope. Then her next strategy was to be passed off as an mma expert and spend three months trying to get a heel hook over. Nope. Then have a title designed for her that looks stupid and beat Natalya by tapout. Nope.
So now her concession is to slowly turn heel and still be in the main feud as either a heel or try to be a tweener but that really wouldn't work.
Natalya should be and was the Beth of SD. They built her up. She is physical, has the Hart pedigree. Top worker. Then as soon as the incident went down where she had an altercation she has been completely buried. She went from being the unquestioned top heel to not winning a match in two months. And for what, because she questioned Michelles status. Who gives a crap. They shouldn't be burying one of the only heel divas with credibility just because she got into it with a babyface flop. Because Natalya is more valuable to the company as there are some good matchups out there for the future v Mickie v Kelly etc.
And now Maryse who was wedged into the top heel spot when Natalya was buried is now herself pushed to the sidelines for standing up to Michelle. They take her off tv for a month. Someone that is a decent heel character and at least has some level of magnetism which Michelle sure doesen't have.
Smackdown diva division then suffers as a whole because we get the Bellas winning like a dozen times in a row when its going over like a lead baloon. And the continual overhyping of Maria to then job her out.
Michelle is only the 'main diva' on SD because of her stroke and beause she worked it so that certain other people aren't on the brand. Another person she held back. KK was continually made to job to Victoria even though she was getting real over. Never once allowed to beat her but Cherry, Maria, Bellas, and of course Michelle did a million times like it was nothing. On an episode of ECW KK outpopped Michelle like 5 to 1 and it was the last time they were allowed to have a direct comparsion pop on a live show. Victoria was then taken off her feud with KK and made to be a buffon in a motorcycle contest. A contest that KK wasn't in because she would have overshadowed her.
I can't wait for the day she is out of WWE. F her.
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Post by efram on Nov 16, 2008 18:13:52 GMT -5
Her stroke is killing the lockeroom. Of course its not going to go over well to have someone as the 'vocal leader of the divas lockeroom' for no reason other than they are sleeping with the godfather of the lockeroom when she herself has been very unproductive with big pushes. I think its comical as hell to be honest. To kinda get into her head I am sure she thought she would have got real over with a superman push. Nope. Then her next strategy was to be passed off as an mma expert and spend three months trying to get a heel hook over. Nope. Then have a title designed for her that looks stupid and beat Natalya by tapout. Nope. So now her concession is to slowly turn heel and still be in the main feud as either a heel or try to be a tweener but that really wouldn't work. Natalya should be and was the Beth of SD. They built her up. She is physical, has the Hart pedigree. Top worker. Then as soon as the incident went down where she had an altercation she has been completely buried. She went from being the unquestioned top heel to not winning a match in two months. And for what, because she questioned Michelles status. Who gives a crap. They shouldn't be burying one of the only heel divas with credibility just because she got into it with a babyface flop. Because Natalya is more valuable to the company as there are some good matchups out there for the future v Mickie v Kelly etc. And now Maryse who was wedged into the top heel spot when Natalya was buried is now herself pushed to the sidelines for standing up to Michelle. They take her off tv for a month. Someone that is a decent heel character and at least has some level of magnetism which Michelle sure doesen't have. Smackdown diva division then suffers as a whole because we get the Bellas winning like a dozen times in a row when its going over like a lead baloon. And the continual overhyping of Maria to then job her out. Michelle is only the 'main diva' on SD because of her stroke and beause she worked it so that certain other people aren't on the brand. Another person she held back. KK was continually made to job to Victoria even though she was getting real over. Never once allowed to beat her but Cherry, Maria, Bellas, and of course Michelle did a million times like it was nothing. On an episode of ECW KK outpopped Michelle like 5 to 1 and it was the last time they were allowed to have a direct comparsion pop on a live show. Victoria was then taken off her feud with KK and made to be a buffon in a motorcycle contest. A contest that KK wasn't in because she would have overshadowed her. I can't wait for the day she is out of WWE. F her. i 100% agree with you and kingofoldschool, i have been an avid womens wrestling fan for years now and i have never been so disgusted and angered at the womens divison since that year they fired all the good wrestlers(jazz, ivory, gail etc) to make room for diva search girls. michelle mcgetthehelloffofmytv has single handedly buried the entire smackdown divas roster, i have said it many times here before and i'll say it again, the ONLY reason that bitch is getting a push and still has a job is because shes 'raising the dead' because she has zero talent, charisma or promo skills, the day taker finds a new anorexic blond chick to play around with michelle can kiss her job goodbye
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Nov 16, 2008 18:16:56 GMT -5
Man, some crazy overreaction in this thred. How do we know this is even true?
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 16, 2008 18:39:47 GMT -5
. Maryse and Edge-Hot canadian heel couple FTW I'd back that, especially if Edge just sluts her up. Maryse is the only diva who can get heet by taunting and exuding that bitch aura, and it works. WRestling is more about your character and getting the audience to care about you whether it's hating or loving you. MAryse plays the model french bitch role to the tee.
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Post by sloride on Nov 16, 2008 18:43:55 GMT -5
Man, some crazy overreaction in this thred. How do we know this is even true? We don't. But Jim Ross wrote in his blog that there is bitchiness and a 'pecking order' in the SD divas locker room so people are associating the two stories.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Nov 16, 2008 18:52:50 GMT -5
Man, some crazy overreaction in this thred. How do we know this is even true? We don't. But Jim Ross wrote in his blog that there is bitchiness and a 'pecking order' in the SD divas locker room so people are associating the two stories. That and how Natalya was suddenly put on the back burner putting over another pair of magazine Divas that won't get anywhere. Then Maryse who started to get over and started improving was all of a sudden getting depushed. All the while McCool is still there winning matches week after week to the delight of no one.
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Post by The OP on Nov 16, 2008 21:01:31 GMT -5
You know, there have been times in the past where I've almost been guilty of being an apologist for WWE, because I've been a fan of the company for such a long time.
However, I remember watching the McCool/Maria match last Friday and thinking...ok, no way in hell should either of these two women ever be involved in a championship match in the top North American wrestling promotion. They're both so scrawny, it's embarassing. Neither one of them looks the least bit tough.
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