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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Nov 16, 2008 21:39:59 GMT -5
Man, some crazy overreaction in this thred. How do we know this is even true? People need to overreact and bitch about wrestling just because if they didn't, their lives would have little or no meaning. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2008 22:08:40 GMT -5
The very fact that Michelle is Divas champ means you're wrong about her not going anywhere in the company. She's been with the WWE since 2004 and all she was trying to do as far as I can tell was just give Nattie some pointers about the WWE style. If someone was more experienced at a particular company and gave me a few pointers about the company, I would say, "Kay thanks" and not make a big deal about it. If the rumors are true, then I blame Nattie for taking it personally and making a big deal about it. Michelle isn't going anywhere in the company, because the fans don't give a 0987654321 about her. WWE gave her a pretty title to carry around, does that mean she is better than all of the other Divas in the company? No. Michelle may have been with WWE since 2004, but how long has she been an ACTUAL WRESTLER? Just because you've been around flaunting your non-figure, it doesn't automatically give you right to be all high and mighty over people who have been wrestling longer. Lita, Trish, Mickie, Victoria, etc. those would be girls that would be worth listening to. Not some chick who just started wrestling full time a year ago and has not been able to connect with the crowd since she debuted in 2004. If Michelle was actually legitimately over and puts on good matches and has been wrestling full time for more than a year or so. Then she might be in a position to give others advice. But Natalya is not a rookie that just walked off the cover of a modeling magazine. You don't get it I Meant just a bit of advice Like ''Try to get them up a little Higher on the Vertical Suplex'' |
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Post by shamana on Nov 17, 2008 8:15:07 GMT -5
Man, did we get into this again?
Anyway, is there any indication that Maryse's de-push has anything to do with personal animosity between her and McCool?
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Nov 17, 2008 10:07:04 GMT -5
Michelle isn't going anywhere in the company, because the fans don't give a 0987654321 about her. WWE gave her a pretty title to carry around, does that mean she is better than all of the other Divas in the company? No. Michelle may have been with WWE since 2004, but how long has she been an ACTUAL WRESTLER? Just because you've been around flaunting your non-figure, it doesn't automatically give you right to be all high and mighty over people who have been wrestling longer. Lita, Trish, Mickie, Victoria, etc. those would be girls that would be worth listening to. Not some chick who just started wrestling full time a year ago and has not been able to connect with the crowd since she debuted in 2004. If Michelle was actually legitimately over and puts on good matches and has been wrestling full time for more than a year or so. Then she might be in a position to give others advice. But Natalya is not a rookie that just walked off the cover of a modeling magazine. You don't get it I Meant just a bit of advice Like ''Try to get them up a little Higher on the Vertical Suplex'' No, I get it. And I still say someone of Michelle's status in the industry should not be giving someone like Natalya wrestling advice. I don't care if it's over a headlock. It's one thing if Michelle asks Natalya not to be so stiff in the ring, it's another for her to critique her like she knows how to put on a good match, because she doesn't. |
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Nov 17, 2008 10:12:23 GMT -5
Man, did we get into this again? Anyway, is there any indication that Maryse's de-push has anything to do with personal animosity between her and McCool? No, but that can be said over just about anything. But things can stack up, like JR's comment in his blog, Natalya's sudden depushing after build up, and now the same is happening with Maryse. Add that to the fact that Michelle is receiving a Supergirl push despite being as over as Snitsky. It's one thing for Cena to get a Superman push because well, he gets crowd reactions and is a draw...Michelle isn't the female Cena. |
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Post by Bobby Womack on Nov 17, 2008 11:05:40 GMT -5
By that logic, a guy like say...AJ Styles were to come into the WWE and then have a guy...say...Snitsky comes up to him and tries to show him how to work the WWE style. Here is AJ Styles who is veteran in pro wrestling and has amassed great popularity for being a great worker getting taught how to work the WWE style by SNITSKY. Think about that. It'd be one thing if it was HBK, Taker, HHH, Edge, Cena, Batista, Cody Rhodes, Jillian Garcia, Michael Cole, etc but a guy who has never put on a good match in his life and was only even remotely over three years should NOT be teaching someone like AJ how to work. its nothing like snitsky teaching aj styles how to work the wwe style, first of all if they did sign aj styles i have no doubt theyd send him to fcw to learn the wwe style, everyone needs to learn it no matter how much indy experience they have, second of all snitskys a jobber to the stars, mccool is the top diva on smackdown regardless of whether she deserves it which i dont think she does, but the point is the office has enough faith in her to push her as that, so obviously she does know how to put on a match the office wants enough since she got the top spot, so someone like nattie who just came in at the time should listen to her, it would be more like lex luger or goldberg teaching some indy wrestler how to work the wcw style at their time, they may not have been deserving of their pushes or work matches that we like, but they knew what the powers that be wanted and thats what was important But suppose you are an employee somewhere, you've had years of experience in that job position. And then another employee comes up to you and tries to tell you how to do your job. This employee has been stuck at the same entry level job for years and it doesn't look like they are moving up anytime soon. Would you take the advice of someone who isn't going anywhere in the company? Especially one that has not had as much experience as you? Typically if an employer wants to "teach" a newer employee something, they would get one of their more dependable, experienced workers to coach you. McCool isn't the most experienced female worker in the company as she's only wrestled full time for about a year. neidhart HASNT had years of experience in that position, like i said already, working in the wwe is a totally different animal to working in the indies, this isnt the days of the territories where a wrestler can go from town to town and do the same thing because theyre all relatively at the same level, working in the wwe is nothing like anywhere else currently in north america, look at cm punk who was an indy sensation and very talented but still has had trouble adapting to the wwe style up until very recently, and mccool definitely wasnt at an entry level position when that report came out, she was already getting a top push so she was above neidhart on the totem pole and more experienced in the wwe style than her, so your post makes no sense |
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Nov 17, 2008 11:28:09 GMT -5
Yeah AJ would probably be in FCW, just like Natalya was in OVW and briefly in FCW before she was called up. That still wouldn't make it right for someone who isn't in the position to hand out advice, especially to a veteran, when they didn't ask for it. If the road agents, creative team, whatever doesn't feel like Natalya is up on the WWE style, then why even call her up in the first place? Plus Finlay travels with the Smackdown crew most of the time so he could be back helping out with the Divas before he came back to the ring.
Last time I heard, McCool is being paid as a wrestler not an agent or a trainer. It's one thing if Natalya went up to McCool and asked for advice, it's another if McCool just went up to her and started telling her how to wrestle like she was the Fabulous Moolah.
The point is, it's not Michelle's place because she hasn't built up that kind of reputation. You even said it yourself that you don't think she deserves that spot. And judging by her crowd reactions 90% of the fans don't either and in the end that's all that matters. As I've already stated Michelle has like what, only a full year of wrestling experience on WWE TV? Her previous years she was just a manager/random bikini contestant. So it's not like she's had years and years of wrestling experience like a lot of the girls in the company have.
And just because they made a secondary women's title and gave it to her, doesn't mean that she is suited for it. By that philosophy, she is more dependable than a woman like Victoria who has been under WWE contract for the better part of the decade. She would know the WWE style better than any other of the girls on TV today.
My whole point is, Michelle hasn't earned the right to be "giving advice" because judging by her lack of acting ability, crowd reactions, and barely passable ring skills...McCool should be the one seeking out advice, not giving it.
Honestly the only current WWE Divas who should be giving advice are Victoria, Mickie, and Beth in that order. If Candice hadn't gotten those two injuries within the last 12 months or so, I would include her as well. And I still think they should get Lita and/or Trish to be an "aid" to the Divas and help them out every once and a while.
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Post by Snitsky on Nov 17, 2008 11:44:52 GMT -5
little sidebar about mccool
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Post by shamana on Nov 17, 2008 11:47:40 GMT -5
its nothing like snitsky teaching aj styles how to work the wwe style, first of all if they did sign aj styles i have no doubt theyd send him to fcw to learn the wwe style, everyone needs to learn it no matter how much indy experience they have, second of all snitskys a jobber to the stars, mccool is the top diva on smackdown regardless of whether she deserves it which i dont think she does, but the point is the office has enough faith in her to push her as that, so obviously she does know how to put on a match the office wants enough since she got the top spot, so someone like nattie who just came in at the time should listen to her, it would be more like lex luger or goldberg teaching some indy wrestler how to work the wcw style at their time, they may not have been deserving of their pushes or work matches that we like, but they knew what the powers that be wanted and thats what was important. Dude, I think you just broke the record for longest running sentence from Winnie the Pooh! Anyway, I doubt McCool could teach Nattie what the powers that be want and what is important, or at least I doubt she would listen. AFAIK Nattie has a boyfriend anyway, and I doubt the Undertaker could manage a menage-a-trois  As for a WWE style, I still don't think that kind of an animal exists. While WWE may have certain things they stress, I have yet to see how they are COMPLETELY different from TNA or the indies, except maybe being a bit "tamer." Besides, here's another idea: why do you think Nattie doesn't already have a mentor of sorts? I don't think she's been paired with Victoria, of all people, just so Vicky would have something to do. But you know what? All that stuff about who is better, or more deserving, or more experienced - if there really is some backstage heat between McCool and Neidhart, it probably doesn't matter. People are subjective, and just because McCool should have kept her opinions to herself or Nattie should have listened doesn't mean they would or did. They are both talented, confident and ambitious women (otherwise they probably wouldn't have gotten to where they are) and they probably have no shortage of ego, so it is easy for either of them to get offended. Well, big deal, it happens all the time. The problem is, that kind of stuff should not impact how each of them is being treated on the program. It doesn't matter if it's Michelle McCool or Hulk Hogan; backstage politicking and trying to get people you don't like buried worsens the entire show. |
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Post by timebomb on Nov 17, 2008 11:50:02 GMT -5
Im sure it was just the stupid wings thing that the mark didn't know how to identify. Why didnt she just call that move hugs and kisses.
Michelle is a complete failure and I love seeing her paint herself into a corner.
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Post by CM Dazz on Nov 17, 2008 12:13:26 GMT -5
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Nov 17, 2008 15:09:10 GMT -5
to be fair, by all accounts michelle mcCool's advice was supposedly abut working to the hard camera, something natalya had little experience in. she may put on boring matches, but she's worked in the WWE set up, therefore is allowed to give advice specifically on that. it's not like she was trying to teach natalya how to sell or anything.
and also, JR's WWE blog is in kayfabe, so take that comment with a pinch of sodium chloride.
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Post by veldfire on Nov 17, 2008 19:44:31 GMT -5
Michelle is a garbage performer with no personality,crap mic skills,subpar looks,and problems getting over.She should be glad the WWE bigwigs are too blind to mail her a pink slip.
She has no business getting any kind of strong push.Much less giving advice or heat to anyone else.
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Post by spacepope316 on Nov 18, 2008 6:49:04 GMT -5
McCool willl always been seen as the girl that got her big push from getting into bed with Undertaker, whether shes talented or not thats how it will always be. If they split and she holds her own fair enough but once they've split she'll lose the belt and go down the ranks. Probably endeavoured to. Dont worry there will be an opening in TNA for her.
Maryse and Christian Cage would be a good Manager/Wrestler package.
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Post by Snitsky on Nov 18, 2008 19:29:46 GMT -5
update
how awesome would it be if maryse turns on mccool in the diva match at ss to let team phoenix win
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Post by KimberlyPagesBoyToy on Nov 18, 2008 19:37:00 GMT -5
First Natalya, now Maryse. It's like McCool doesn't like any of the hot new heel Divas. lmao this is great..she's gonna become the Triple H of womens wrestling whether we like it or not...she has the stroke boys deal with it. Pretty soon she'll be taking out 6 divas at once with one punch like Mae Young did a few weeks back lol. |
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Post by timebomb on Nov 18, 2008 19:45:32 GMT -5
Kudos to Maryse for taking a stand. At least she had the guts to speak the truth.
Theres only two things that would stop Michelle. 1) Taker dumping her 2) Some of the high level divas like Beth, KK, Mickie going on strike till shes fired.
1 is most likely. Hopefully Taker has learned from two failed marriages and doesen't get any stupid ideas.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Nov 18, 2008 19:48:09 GMT -5
As opposed to Maryse deserving her position because of her.....um talent? Way to blow it Maryse, you sure as hell don't deserve to be at the top either. |
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Post by x on Nov 18, 2008 20:03:21 GMT -5
McCool is the Triple H of the Women's Division? Cause she's SLOPPY! She wants to wear the Diva's belt and nothing else to church on Sunday. Straight Shootin quotes FTW |
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Nov 18, 2008 20:48:55 GMT -5
As opposed to Maryse deserving her position because of her.....um talent? Way to blow it Maryse, you sure as hell don't deserve to be at the top either. I'd say Maryse was more put into the position because of the tiff that brought Natalya down and because, unlike McCool, she was *gasp* actually GETTING OVER! |
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