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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 6, 2008 15:54:41 GMT -5
Well, Bruno was their top draw for like a decade plus, so while it's hard to wrap my head around, I can understand the logic of it. Who the hell is Argentina Rocca? That's actually the late Antonio Rocca, who was in CWC/WWWF in the 50's and early 60's. Ohhh. I guess he'd be pretty big, for Antonio Inoki to take him on as a ring name influence.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 6, 2008 15:59:26 GMT -5
Hunter is sure over a lot of top stars (Austin, Rock and Bret) most noticeably, not sure I'd agree with that. id love to know what meltzers judging system is based on because just at a glance i have to wonder why hbk, hart, nash, larry z, benoit, kane, hansen etc are doing on it at all, and the rest of the order is rather confusing to me, especially warrior being so low From the observer
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Post by krzykraka on Nov 6, 2008 16:03:11 GMT -5
BRUNO SAMMARTINO #1. I 100% disagree. Hogan and Austin easily beat out Bruno. Ill even say he shouldnt be in the top 10.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Nov 6, 2008 16:07:28 GMT -5
HHH is too high, he has been mainly the other guy in various feuds with guys who are far more popular. I'd place him 10th and move everyone else up one.
Of course it entirely depends on what he defined a draw as.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 6, 2008 16:12:11 GMT -5
HHH is too high, he has been mainly the other guy in various feuds with guys who are far more popular. I'd place him 10th and move everyone else up one. Of course it entirely depends on what he defined a draw as. You are only what your opponent is. Superman without Lex Luthor, or Batman without Joker? Aimless.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 16:15:21 GMT -5
Meltzer is living in smark fantasy land if he thinks Sammartino is a bigger draw than Hogan.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 6, 2008 16:19:41 GMT -5
Meltzer is living in smark fantasy land if he thinks Sammartino is a bigger draw than Hogan. And like he said before, it rewards longevity. NO ONE main evented longer than him. It's a matter of comparing a candle that burns for weeks to a fiery explosion, if you catch my drift.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 16:21:13 GMT -5
HHH is a draw, but not near the draw that many of the people a little bit below him are/were.
He's above Taker, Rock, Austin, and Cena. Taker is debatable, the rest easily outdraw him.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 6, 2008 16:22:46 GMT -5
Rock was on top for like 5 years, minus movie filming. Austin, like 4 or 5, too.
Triple H? Nine.
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Post by Lancers on Nov 6, 2008 16:24:38 GMT -5
Meltzer is living in smark fantasy land if he thinks Sammartino is a bigger draw than Hogan. "Nobody tells Dave Meltzer that he's livin' in a smark fantasy land. 'Cuz if it were true, I'd be havin' five-star matches with Tammy Lynn Sytch on my posturepedic mattress. Plus, what kind of man would want to live in some fictional reality when you got a killer permullet like this?"
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Post by sloride on Nov 6, 2008 16:24:19 GMT -5
This list does reward longtivity as was stated. HHH has been in the main event for almost a decade, Rock was only around for six/seven years and Austin retired in 03. With Taker remember he has had a lot of periods where he has taken time off and he has never been a major merchandise seller.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Nov 6, 2008 16:24:40 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan is not number one? Austin is seventh?
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 6, 2008 16:27:42 GMT -5
I'll also say Triple H drew more money than Bret Hart.
D-X, McMahon-Helmsley Era was the height of WWF for a lot of fans, and then his from '02 till now.
He's still making WWE A LOT of money. he's done more for WWE and for wrestling than Bret Hart.
Just my opinion
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Post by Lancers on Nov 6, 2008 16:29:26 GMT -5
This may be the only list ever where Ric Flair and Ken Patera share the same ranking in anything pertaining to wrestling.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 6, 2008 16:30:15 GMT -5
I'll also say Triple H drew more money than Bret Hart. D-X, McMahon-Helmsley Era was the height of WWF for a lot of fans, and then his from '02 till now. He's still making WWE A LOT of money. he's done more for WWE and for wrestling than Bret Hart. Just my opinion I agree. He even holds up alright against Rock and Austin, since you've got to remember, who were they WRESTLING in a lot of those top matches? Triple H. He gets the credit, too, it's not like he just got hotshotted up, he climbed just as long as they did. Also, Hogan not beating Bruno seems odd, but while Hogan was a massive draw, a lot of his career was in WCW, his WWF time was like a third to a half of Bruno's.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 6, 2008 16:45:39 GMT -5
The only problem I see on the list is that it's not a measure of actual drawing power if it adds length of time on top into it, it's a measure of total drawing amount. Drawing power would be a per-capita measurement, which wouldn't necessarily be affected by time on top.
Even then, it's such a hit or miss. It assumes that the draw for everyone is the main event. When WWE went to the Carolinas in recent years, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts they packed in to see Flair (and to a lesser extant, the Hardyz), regardless of who was in the main event. And, of course, it's entirely subjective once you add things like bonus points for selling out certain arenas.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Nov 6, 2008 17:24:13 GMT -5
Is this based on the actual money these wrestlers drew, or did Meltzer just rank them of his own opinion?
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 6, 2008 17:25:52 GMT -5
The only problem I see on the list is that it's not a measure of actual drawing power if it adds length of time on top into it, it's a measure of total drawing amount. Drawing power would be a per-capita measurement, which wouldn't necessarily be affected by time on top. Even then, it's such a hit or miss. It assumes that the draw for everyone is the main event. When WWE went to the Carolinas in recent years, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts they packed in to see Flair (and to a lesser extant, the Hardyz), regardless of who was in the main event. And, of course, it's entirely subjective once you add things like bonus points for selling out certain arenas. You know, good point. I do have to say that's a legitimate concern, much like how Undertaker was a draw even when he wasn't in the main event.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 6, 2008 18:05:07 GMT -5
Is this based on the actual money these wrestlers drew, or did Meltzer just rank them of his own opinion? actual money that they drew
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2008 18:25:01 GMT -5
No Braden Walker?
He made the WWE in excess of 5 (but not quite 6) dollars!
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