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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 2, 2008 12:26:14 GMT -5
1) It might happen in a few days, but I think they need to hold it off 2) Let the fans get accustomed to him first, it's only been like a month and a half 3) Maybe 4) Doesn't need it and is probably hall-of-fame bound anyway 5) No 6) Yeah 7) No 8) Depends on how committed to his craft Shelton becomes 9) No, and I'm not crying out for it 10) HAHAHAHAHA 11) Huh
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Post by mcmxzyptlk on Oct 2, 2008 12:34:03 GMT -5
With that kind of power? Who wouldn't abuse it eventually?
But just for the sake of argument, the only person who would even have a half of a shot is Jericho. The rest are either midcard for life, absolute scrub status or can't be trusted.
LOL @ the idea of HHH getting pinned by the Reality Check. That's hilarious.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Oct 2, 2008 14:45:42 GMT -5
None of the above save for Jeff Hardy and that's a big if. As for making money, he refused to put over RVD a few years ago. I'm sure that cost the WWE a few million.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Oct 2, 2008 14:47:09 GMT -5
None of the above save for Jeff Hardy and that's a big if. As for making money, he refused to put over RVD a few years ago. I'm sure that cost the WWE a few million. I doubt that personally as we have no way of knowing that. It was HHH's first big title defense to establish the World Title, how would it look if it changed hands on the first match?
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Post by Cypress on Oct 2, 2008 15:18:24 GMT -5
RVD said it himself
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Oct 2, 2008 15:22:37 GMT -5
What? That WWE lost millions of dollars because of that one match?
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Oct 2, 2008 15:23:52 GMT -5
LOL @ the idea of HHH getting pinned by the Reality Check. That's hilarious. Thinking of that made me laugh as well.
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Post by Tapout on Oct 2, 2008 15:27:02 GMT -5
As for making money, he refused to put over RVD a few years ago. I'm sure that cost the WWE a few million. No offense, but it's posts like these that really point out why Vince is running the billion-dollar company. Not the IWC. If RVD said it, it must be true. It's not like he's a delusional, colossal mark for himself. He's proven he's a shrewd businessman, like how when he was WWE and WWECW champion on the biggest push of his career, he got busted for pot. Once all the ballyhoo died down, people would've realized that a sloppy, overrated guy who couldn't work WWE style and couldn't cut promos was the top man. The asses wouldn't exactly have come flying into the seats. I have to imagine that creative figured that the possibility of Evil Heel HHH finally getting beat up and losing his title was a much bigger draw than watching bored stoner dude crow about how awesome he is. If that was their thought process, they were right.
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Post by vanboxmeer on Oct 2, 2008 15:41:45 GMT -5
LOL @ the idea of HHH getting pinned by the Reality Check. That's hilarious. Thinking of that made me laugh as well. You sick freaks, Hunter doesn't do jobs!
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Post by hollywood on Oct 2, 2008 15:46:34 GMT -5
7) No 8) No 9) lol no 10) lol again, and again no 11) Are you delusional?
And not to get drawn into the never-ending HHH/RVD debate, but RVD as World Champ would've been no less "profitable" than HHH was--especially considering the company lost most of its viewers during Hunter's "reign of terror."
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Post by TRUTH TELLER on Oct 2, 2008 15:52:49 GMT -5
None of the above save for Jeff Hardy and that's a big if. As for making money, he refused to put over RVD a few years ago. I'm sure that cost the WWE a few million. I doubt that personally as we have no way of knowing that. It was HHH's first big title defense to establish the World Title, how would it look if it changed hands on the first match? Agreed. But that doesn't mean that HHH had to pin him in their first match then drop the feud altogether immediately after. That's always been the issue. RVD--at the time-- was majorly over, perhaps more than anyone else on the roster. Sometimes in wrestling, you have a certain moment that's the right moment to strike while the iron's hot, and holding it off extinguishes the heat. I mean, I'm not making any comparison's, because that'd be absurd, but WWF didn't have Hulk Hogan toil in 1984 when he came in. They rode the wave of instant appeal and reaction and put him over. Had they started him off working Rene Goulet for 2 years, there's no way it'd have caught fire the same. They instead were smart enough to see that there was a hunger by the fans for this guy, and exploited it. They did that with a lot with their top breakthrough acts for years, but didn't with RVD, and didn't with Hardy last January. Now, history has proved that those guy's were unreliable; but at the time, WWE had no way of knowing this. They were two amazingly over guys who weren't supposed to be. They eclipsed the reactions of the guy's they tried to stubbornly manufacture at the time, and instead of running with it like they had with other guys of that ilk (Warrior for example) they instead continued their painfully tedious status quo. The biggest irony in WWE right now is, that if HHH came along now in today's WWE, he'd never have been given the opportunity he got in 1999/2000, because unlike his breakthrough year, there doesn't seem to be a lot of top tier veteran's making guys like the way, say, Foley did for him. In today's WWE, due to the archaic thinking of a lot of the people in charge, HHH would have lost to a Foley, because, damn it, Foley is a veteran, and that HHH is untested on top! But no worries, he'd still get his big opportunity in two years when all interest and appeal begins to wane! But seriously, my point is that sometimes you've got to strap the rocket pack to a guy's back and see if it flies. Imagine a world of wrestling where today's established WWE veteran's were never allowed to breakthrough and get over at their hottest point. It'd have killed the business. Yet, here we are, nearly 7 years removed from the start of the brand extension, and all we have to show for 7 years is 3, maybe 4 new stars. One of which has been suspended 3 times for misconduct, while the other is on his 2nd big injury inside one fiscal year, the other is nearly 40 and thinking about retirement, and the last, Edge, has a culmination of 25 years worth of injuries inside a 13 year career. It's kind of sad.
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Post by hollywood on Oct 2, 2008 17:08:27 GMT -5
I know I said I'd stay out of the HHH/RVD debate, but...dammit... Here's how I see it...
I'm a big RVD fan, but, truth be told, I'm not sure he would've ever worked as a long-term World Champ. He worked great as a fighting, mid-card champion, who could enjoy lengthy title reigns with mid-card belts, but I'm not sure he would've worked so well as a main even level champ.
HOWEVER... Having said that, and this is where I think WWE really missed the boat, I think RVD would've worked great as a chaser. Perhaps similarly to Tommy Dreamer in his rivalry with Raven, Rob could've kept coming up short of getting the big win over Hunter. Hunter could've kept retaining the belt and kept the feud going by getting unfair wins via cheating and other such under-handed tactics.
Rob could've even gotten one big win, and Hunter could've won the belt back in short order via more cheating. It could've been drawn out for several months, with Hunter somehow retaining the belt in the end and Rob getting some sort of moral victory.
I think there's no question that HHH vs RVD would've been a much better feud to drag out over a couple of months than HHH vs Kevin Nash or Scott Steiner was.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Oct 2, 2008 17:30:38 GMT -5
I doubt that personally as we have no way of knowing that. It was HHH's first big title defense to establish the World Title, how would it look if it changed hands on the first match? Agreed. But that doesn't mean that HHH had to pin him in their first match then drop the feud altogether immediately after. That's always been the issue. RVD--at the time-- was majorly over, perhaps more than anyone else on the roster. Sometimes in wrestling, you have a certain moment that's the right moment to strike while the iron's hot, and holding it off extinguishes the heat. I mean, I'm not making any comparison's, because that'd be absurd, but WWF didn't have Hulk Hogan toil in 1984 when he came in. They rode the wave of instant appeal and reaction and put him over. Had they started him off working Rene Goulet for 2 years, there's no way it'd have caught fire the same. They instead were smart enough to see that there was a hunger by the fans for this guy, and exploited it. They did that with a lot with their top breakthrough acts for years, but didn't with RVD, and didn't with Hardy last January. Now, history has proved that those guy's were unreliable; but at the time, WWE had no way of knowing this. They were two amazingly over guys who weren't supposed to be. They eclipsed the reactions of the guy's they tried to stubbornly manufacture at the time, and instead of running with it like they had with other guys of that ilk (Warrior for example) they instead continued their painfully tedious status quo. The biggest irony in WWE right now is, that if HHH came along now in today's WWE, he'd never have been given the opportunity he got in 1999/2000, because unlike his breakthrough year, there doesn't seem to be a lot of top tier veteran's making guys like the way, say, Foley did for him. In today's WWE, due to the archaic thinking of a lot of the people in charge, HHH would have lost to a Foley, because, damn it, Foley is a veteran, and that HHH is untested on top! But no worries, he'd still get his big opportunity in two years when all interest and appeal begins to wane! But seriously, my point is that sometimes you've got to strap the rocket pack to a guy's back and see if it flies. Imagine a world of wrestling where today's established WWE veteran's were never allowed to breakthrough and get over at their hottest point. It'd have killed the business. Yet, here we are, nearly 7 years removed from the start of the brand extension, and all we have to show for 7 years is 3, maybe 4 new stars. One of which has been suspended 3 times for misconduct, while the other is on his 2nd big injury inside one fiscal year, the other is nearly 40 and thinking about retirement, and the last, Edge, has a culmination of 25 years worth of injuries inside a 13 year career. It's kind of sad. I think it was dropped because Flair cost RVD the title and so they faced off at the next PPV for RVD to get a measure of revenge. I just saw it as a title defense and then moves on to the next challenger and IMO Raw needed a top heel and I think Trips was the guy. And from interviews that RVD has done over the years especially when in WWE, he's always said that management wasn't too crazy about him and didn't want to give him a chance. Well, seems he proved their suspicions right when he messed up during his WWE title reign of 2006. I think if a lot of guys came down the pike in this day and age that they would be severely limited due to the nature of how WWE is today and may not have made it, not just Trips.
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Post by Trout Stratus on Oct 2, 2008 19:33:39 GMT -5
i'd say yes to evan bourne..seeing that hes young and the WWE is pretty much putting him the spotlight ever since the RAW/ECW Talent Exchange...i mean c'mon ive only seen on TV spot for the ECW Champ and yet every 3 commercials i see Evan Bourne? I like EB dont get me wrong but id say him most likely, after Jeff Hardy MAYBE...I actually like Regal so i wouldnt mind seeing that...
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Oct 2, 2008 20:59:00 GMT -5
I wasn't in the IWC in 2002. I was just a viewer who was sick and tired of seeing Triple H win and I wasn't the only one. RVD isn't my favorite wrestler, but the fact that they considered giving him the belt until feeling that doing so would somehow ruin the credibility of the title shows that at one point they realized that the guy was popular. Why they felt giving the title from a suitcase was a great idea, I'll never know but then again I thought HHH should have lost at WM 18 so maybe I'm just weird. Except that never seemed to happen and if the ratings drop from 2002 onwards is any indication, most viewers didn't care by the time it finally happened. Maybe RVD is a stoner, but you know what? Most wrestlers do that and more. After all, one of the WWF's biggest wrestlers was a raging alcoholic. But apparently pot's a bigger evil than beer. RVD could cut promos if his ECW work is any indication. It's just that because he wasn't always cracking jokes or saying numerous variations of "IM GOING TO KICK YOUR ASS" he's automatically called a bad promo.
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Post by Lardlad on Oct 3, 2008 11:22:57 GMT -5
From that list, CM Punk and Jericho stand out as the only two I could see Triple H being comfortable doing a job for.
MAYBE Hardy, but with the two strikes, I'm not sure....
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Oct 3, 2008 11:41:00 GMT -5
I wasn't in the IWC in 2002. I was just a viewer who was sick and tired of seeing Triple H win and I wasn't the only one. RVD isn't my favorite wrestler, but the fact that they considered giving him the belt until feeling that doing so would somehow ruin the credibility of the title shows that at one point they realized that the guy was popular. Why they felt giving the title from a suitcase was a great idea, I'll never know but then again I thought HHH should have lost at WM 18 so maybe I'm just weird. Except that never seemed to happen and if the ratings drop from 2002 onwards is any indication, most viewers didn't care by the time it finally happened. Maybe RVD is a stoner, but you know what? Most wrestlers do that and more. After all, one of the WWF's biggest wrestlers was a raging alcoholic. But apparently pot's a bigger evil than beer. RVD could cut promos if his ECW work is any indication. It's just that because he wasn't always cracking jokes or saying numerous variations of "IM GOING TO KICK YOUR ASS" he's automatically called a bad promo. I don't think we'll ever get a full indication of why the ratings dropped in 2002. I doubt it was all because Triple-H was the champion like some would have you believe.
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Post by hollywood on Oct 3, 2008 11:56:46 GMT -5
I don't think we'll ever get a full indication of why the ratings dropped in 2002. I doubt it was all because Triple-H was the champion like some would have you believe. I don't think it's so much that he was the cause, as it was that he didn't things any.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 3, 2008 11:57:27 GMT -5
None of the above save for Jeff Hardy and that's a big if. As for making money, he refused to put over RVD a few years ago. I'm sure that cost the WWE a few million. I doubt that personally as we have no way of knowing that. It was HHH's first big title defense to establish the World Title, how would it look if it changed hands on the first match? they could;ve prevented that by holding a tourney. The way they built that belt, no matter what any writers say, did not make it seem strong. It made it seem like Trips personal prop, equivalent to the Million Dollar belt. And I'm someone who's generally okay with Triple H.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Oct 3, 2008 11:59:48 GMT -5
I doubt that personally as we have no way of knowing that. It was HHH's first big title defense to establish the World Title, how would it look if it changed hands on the first match? they could;ve prevented that by holding a tourney. The way they built that belt, no matter what any writers say, did not make it seem strong. It made it seem like Trips personal prop, equivalent to the Million Dollar belt. And I'm someone who's generally okay with Triple H. I disagree there, the whole point was to get everyone pissed at Triple-H. That first night when he was awarded the belt, J.R on commentary mentioned several times that they could've done a tourney, but GM Bischoff chose to just award him the thing, which I liked because it made people hate him for just getting something he didn't earn.
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